Should I tell the YO?

Quick update.

So far everything is fine.

Nothing has been touched and I've not needed to speak to them. Although I mentioned to the girl how pretty her horse was and she blanked me! I think she is super spoilt as while she was riding her parents did all the jobs!

I think the first problem will be use of the school as she apparently rides every night at the same time I am there. Think I'll have to ask the YO for some kind of rota as I cant school while she is bombing around.
 
^^^ i wouldnt ask the YO for a schooling rota as thats (imo) asking for trouble

if she was approachable id be saying something to the girl

but as shes not can you not school after/before her??

as long as shes not putting you or your horse in danger then imo thats just yard life - asking for a rota is adding fuel to the fire
 
I agree with Noodle... It just seems a bit antagonistic to me... You will all just need to learn to share...

It might be worth asking y/o to draw up some rules regarding conduct in the school given that the school is going be be getting a bit more use and you are both novice owners. Passing left on left, faster paces on the outside track, generally being courteous towards eachother etc etc
 
noodle_ said:
^^^ i wouldnt ask the YO for a schooling rota as thats (imo) asking for trouble

if she was approachable id be saying something to the girl

but as shes not can you not school after/before her??

as long as shes not putting you or your horse in danger then imo thats just yard life - asking for a rota is adding fuel to the fire
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Dis-agree we brought in a yard rota after similar problems and it works great , everyone gets to use the school when they need to and no one had an issue with the rota :)
 
Griggster1990 said:
I think the first problem will be use of the school as she apparently rides every night at the same time I am there. Think I'll have to ask the YO for some kind of rota as I cant school while she is bombing around.
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Bad idea, this will jut create an atmosphere, Chill out.
 
It is actually good practice to school with others. If you go to a show or competition you will have to dodge all kinds of discourteous riders.
 
Wagtail said:
It is actually good practice to school with others. If you go to a show or competition you will have to dodge all kinds of discourteous riders.
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Agree.

If you are having a lesson, then fair enough you should have sole use of the school (if no bigger than 20x40 or jumping) but otherwise everyone just has to get on with it.

I have found people on the outside of the school more annoying than other riders; for some reason people always love getting rid of feed/bedding bags and dragging full buckets of water around the yard when you are on a sharp/spooky/youngster ... but it is all character building!
 
maisiemoo said:
Dis-agree we brought in a yard rota after similar problems and it works great , everyone gets to use the school when they need to and no one had an issue with the rota :)
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Yes, but in this instance it looks to me like OP is looking for problems when there aren't even any! It's only been a couple of days... If in say a week or two's time she hadn't been able to school her horse because this other person was in there all the time, I could understand it but it has been TWO DAYS..She may not even ride every day - especially when the novelty wears off!
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. Its only a very small school, so would have to see how it went. I don't arrive until 5pm and its dark by 6 so cant ride before or after (she rode till it got dark last night and we don't have lights) I suppose once the clocks change it will be different or she will ride for longer! I have been having a weekly lesson and getting into a riding/lungeing routine and have started to see big improvements in us both so dont want to lose the routine.

I will talk to her about it later if I see her.

It is OK to ask for it to myself for a lesson though? I don't want to cause any problems.

Thanks everyone
 
It would depend on the Yard, at my yard you cant ride at the same time as a lesson, and you have to book it out on a calendar so that people know about it.
 
shes only been there a day OP - give her a chance!!

she might be a total cow from last time but dont cause friction on a new yard...!...

yes its inconvenient but you havent really given her (or you) and chance to settle down yet and get in a routine! :)
 
CBFan said:
Yes, but in this instance it looks to me like OP is looking for problems when there aren't even any! It's only been a couple of days... If in say a week or two's time she hadn't been able to school her horse because this other person was in there all the time, I could understand it but it has been TWO DAYS..She may not even ride every day - especially when the novelty wears off!
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I just want to add, I am not looking for problems. This is my first horse so I have no idea about sharing schools etc so I was asking for advice and finding out what is OK or not to request from YO. I've been the only one using the school since I arrived there and I supposed I have been spoilt :p The girl does ride every day and that's why she gave up the share horse at the other yard as the riding was restricted as I think the horse was really unfit/went lame and she wanted to do more than it could cope with.

I think the YO will help me if I need it though.

Thanks everyone
 
For booking school - we have a diary and people book in times that they wish to ride in the school and they can not bulk book a certain time for days on end .. if they have a lesson / saddle fitting etc then it is circled so people know it is important.

Some people have in the past by the side of their name - "anyone welcome" so you can ride at the same time.

This system seems to be fair and works well.


The clocks change soon, hopefully the girl will hack rather than school.
 
Rudolph's Red Nose said:
For booking school - we have a diary and people book in times that they wish to ride in the school and they can not bulk book a certain time for days on end .. if they have a lesson / saddle fitting etc then it is circled so people know it is important.

Some people have in the past by the side of their name - "anyone welcome" so you can ride at the same time.

This system seems to be fair and works well.


The clocks change soon, hopefully the girl will hack rather than school.
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That seems like a good idea.

The lady who has just left the yard had 7 horses and hardly ever rode them. So if all 7 spaces are filled there is the potential for lots of people to want to use the school. Like I said its only small so you could get 2 in at a push. I am sure the YO will notice if it becomes a problem for anyone.

Thanks everyone
 
i dont understand the need to ride on your own in the school even for a lesson as long as everyone follows manege rules.

sometimes we have 2 lessons at the same time at our place we have 2 schools but usually they will both be in the same school as it has a better surface.

if someone is doing flatwork its manners not to then go and put jumps up but if you are jumping its first come first served and you continue.

it does sound like you have been spoilt and not wanting to sound rude but maybe now there is someone else who wants to use the school you may have to be more flexible with your routine, if she is first in the school and you want to ride maybe you will just have to ride at the same time 'TOGETHER and SHARE'? you are making yourself sound like the kid
 
We have the same problem with he school & there's only 3 people that use it! Mu daughter will always share with others (will do flatwork if others are in, will only jump if she's in on her own) but the other 2 do not like sharing at all. God knows why! We have a white board up & just put on there when we are wanting to use it & work around each other if they really won't share xx
 
The school isnt very big. Thats the problem. I have a 15hh cob and I can only really trot in there as its too small to canter, which is fine by me as that is what we are working on currently. I would guess its no more that 10/15 meters long by about 8 wide. The girl has a big TB so it wouldn't work to share, but I am willing to try if she is.

I'll ask the YO if I can use one of the empty fields IF it becomes a problem. I am not saying it is a problem already, just want to know whats reasonable to ask for if it does become every night.

Sorry if I come across spoilt. I really am not. Like I said, I am very new to horses. Started riding when I was 18 and loved it. Took lessons twice a week and did the horse owners certificates while I saved up, then bought my own end of last year. I haven't grown up with horses, only ever had private lessons so will find it hard to concentrate with someone else wizzing around me in a confined space. I appreciate I need to man up and get on with it.
 
Griggster1990 said:
The school isnt very big. Thats the problem. I have a 15hh cob and I can only really trot in there as its too small to canter, which is fine by me as that is what we are working on currently. I would guess its no more that 10/15 meters long by about 8 wide. The girl has a big TB so it wouldn't work to share, but I am willing to try if she is.

I'll ask the YO if I can use one of the empty fields IF it becomes a problem. I am not saying it is a problem already, just want to know whats reasonable to ask for if it does become every night.

Sorry if I come across spoilt. I really am not. Like I said, I am very new to horses. Started riding when I was 18 and loved it. Took lessons twice a week and did the horse owners certificates while I saved up, then bought my own end of last year. I haven't grown up with horses, only ever had private lessons so will find it hard to concentrate with someone else wizzing around me in a confined space. I appreciate I need to man up and get on with it.
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TBF I would not be riding i a school that size, great for lunging but will do nothing for motivation, impulsion and straightness not to mention mind numbingly boring for horse and rider, great for lunging though, roll on the lighter evenings. an empty field sounds like a much better idea:)
 
My horse only came back into work about 4 weeks ago. Been doing lots of lungeing to get her fit and started riding 2 weeks ago. I have only been walking and trotting as we have been working on my position and the basics. I have felt safe in my little school bubble I think.

Only about 3 more weeks until the clocks change and then hopefully I can get out hacking. I just want the basics down, my position sorted and my horse responsive before we venture out.

Thanks everyone. I'll leave it there now and just get on with it. YO is always around so she will see if there are any problems brewing.
 
Ahh good luck griggster and hopefully all will be fine with the new girl ... keep us updated. Do try to speak to the other girl rather than going straight to the YO as I know it'd get my back up and she may think you're trying to cause trouble (not that you are) :D

We're on a small private with only 7 stables ... Ive always had two so theres always been an extra four stables - normally two more people with two horses each or three with one each ... was a nightmare especially if someone was in a bad mood when they came up ... in the end they all left and my amazing YO said just choose who you want on next time ... now my friend has moved on with her four ponies, Ive got a foal due anytime so its just the two of us :D
 
Griggster1990 said:
I just want to add, I am not looking for problems. This is my first horse so I have no idea about sharing schools etc so I was asking for advice and finding out what is OK or not to request from YO. I've been the only one using the school since I arrived there and I supposed I have been spoilt :p The girl does ride every day and that's why she gave up the share horse at the other yard as the riding was restricted as I think the horse was really unfit/went lame and she wanted to do more than it could cope with.

I think the YO will help me if I need it though.

Thanks everyone
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Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you, it just seemed to me that you are now (due to your previous bad experience with her) just looking for the bad in this person rather than accepting that she may have changed... give her a chance, be reasonable and appeal to her nicer side and you may find you get along just fine... Winter is always a tricky time for getting horses exercised so perhaps you need to come to some sort of mutual arrangement whereby you only school for half an hour each per night so that you don't have to share such a confined space? Just for the next few weeks until the days are that bit longer? that said, could you not get up extra early in the morning and ride before work? This is what I do and it is FAR better than riding in the evening - NEVER have to share the arena and it is such a nice way to wake up. I get up at 5.30am, and am on board by 7.30am having had breakfast and mucked out etc... then have an hour to school before work heading off to work. Sometimes we have to adjust our preffered routines to fit everything in :) I did this right through winter and never once had to use the arena lights :)
 
I work for somebody who owns two big livery yards and I do the administration. From our point of view it would be a massive help if we were forewarned about a difficult potential livery. We know all our livery owners, we know which ones are nice, which ones have their 'quirks', which ones pay on time, which don't, who looks after their horses well, those who are lapse with their horses ect. We have had the odd 'nightmare' livery owner on the yard that were all smiles when they came to look round and then turned out to be complete pains. They were a ****** to get rid of and they upset the whole applecart.
If one of our 'nice' liveries who fits in well and gets on well with everyone came to us and said they had concerns about a new potential livery being difficult, we would listen and appreciate their input. We frequently ask the liveries if they have ever heard of 'so and so' when a new person looks around. We have paid the price before of taking on liveries with a bad reputation without realising and then ending up with a livery who is dealing on the yard, being agressive, not paying, locking people in tack rooms ect.
 
My friend has a system at her yard where you can book the school for lessons, but you are not allowed to book it mid-winter between 5 and 7pm as this is the "rush hour" when most people want to ride. I think this is a good system, its not fair if one person is always having it at the most popular riding time. Everyone learns to share and work around each other.
 
Agree! Expecially if its a quiet yard - you need to get used to sharing with others!
I the majority of the time school with other liveries & at times there may be a riding lesson going on! I don't have an issue with it at all - good for horses to get used to being in an environment with other horses...

Once basic rules in place like passing left hand to left hand etc is established I cant see an issue at all.. Unfortunatly OP she is paying livery just like you so either adjust the time you ride at or put up with it.

CBFan said:
I agree with Noodle... It just seems a bit antagonistic to me... You will all just need to learn to share...

It might be worth asking y/o to draw up some rules regarding conduct in the school given that the school is going be be getting a bit more use and you are both novice owners. Passing left on left, faster paces on the outside track, generally being courteous towards eachother etc etc
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CBFan said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you, it just seemed to me that you are now (due to your previous bad experience with her) just looking for the bad in this person rather than accepting that she may have changed... give her a chance, be reasonable and appeal to her nicer side and you may find you get along just fine... Winter is always a tricky time for getting horses exercised so perhaps you need to come to some sort of mutual arrangement whereby you only school for half an hour each per night so that you don't have to share such a confined space? Just for the next few weeks until the days are that bit longer? that said, could you not get up extra early in the morning and ride before work? This is what I do and it is FAR better than riding in the evening - NEVER have to share the arena and it is such a nice way to wake up. I get up at 5.30am, and am on board by 7.30am having had breakfast and mucked out etc... then have an hour to school before work heading off to work. Sometimes we have to adjust our preffered routines to fit everything in :) I did this right through winter and never once had to use the arena lights :)
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I cant ride in the morning as I start work at 8am and yard is 45 minutes away, so it would mean having to ride at about 6am plus we don't have any lights in the school other wise I would. I will however be taking advantage of first light over the weekend :)

***UPDATE***

The girl didn't turn up last night. YO and I were chatting at about 6pm and it was starting to get dark and the horse was still in the field alone and pacing a little, stable dirty etc. The girls mum text just as we were locking up and she said she was running late due to her other daughters piano lesson overrunning and could the YO sort the horse.

Now the yard is purely DIY and everyone is told this. YO is happy to chuck hay in the nearby fields and give once over but she doesn't offer anything else. She was obviously annoyed but messaged back saying she would do it on this one occasion and reiterated the fact she didn't offer services unless it was an emergency/desperate situation. She also pointed out she was about to leave for the evening and make her late home. It was really cold and foggy and horse has just started going out naked so couldn't leave it. I offered to help as the horse is in the furthest away field up a very steep hill and she needed to muck out and hay, put a rug on etc. YO said no it wasn't my problem, so I asked again and told her I didn't mind but she still declined so I left as I had things to do myself.

I didn't say anything to the YO that was bad against the other livery as I didnt want to stir or annoy YO more than she already was. It did mean I got to ride last night though :D
 
If the school is that small, perhaps you could ask yo if it would be ok if you & the other girl worked out a rota between you for now. Eg alternate days, half an hour each etc just until the clocks change or other liveries move on.
 
hmmmm - sounds from your latest update that the YO is going to figure it out on her own!! That's just not on, some people really just do take the mick
 
Irrelevant to the post really but I don't think you have estimated the size of the school correctly as I cant see how you could actually ride something 8 metres by 10/15 metres and definitely not "bomb around" unless you are on a merry-go-round or an advance schoolmaster! :D . That is less than 1/4 of the size of a 20 by 40.
 
Oh dear, well to be fair the girl is probably just in her own little world and not thinking of others. I think you should bear her age in mind really, its not her fault her parents raised her like this! I'd try and speak to her nicely in a situation where she has to acknowledge you like when she is doing her stable or something. If she doesn't agree to work something out then speak to the YO and get them to speak to her (come on, she's a child, surely she'll see a yo as some sort of teacher figure). I'd try to leave the mother out of it until the YO gets involved.

I don't see anything necessarily bitchy in stating facts about a person to your YO. You don't have to call anyone a spoilt brat or say the mum is a cow, but you can imply it by telling her facts about your experience of them! I'm sure YO is working it out already.
 
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