Should soya be banned from horse feeds?

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There are a number of articles online about 'how awful is soya' - there are all sorts of problems associated with eating it, especially hormonal.
See here-
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

I know all the articles are about the effect on humans, but the initial research was done on animals.

I have taken all my horses off their soya based feeds in a hurry,and I am epescially worried about my mare in foal!

If this is true, it makes me rather upset that so many horse feeds have soya in them- when it is so dangerous. It must upset all the mares wether they are sport horses or broodies!

Any thoughts or is this just scaremongering?!
 
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Scaremongering - not a single scientific study in there. Any article that has to cite the magazine of Carotec Inc to back itself up is seriously scraping the barrel. That is real Gillian McKeith stuff - a lot of waffle! Don't panic and especially don't panic about the mare in foal - the Japanese are some of the healthiest people in world and they live off the stuff!
 
When my boy was born (human boy, not foal :D) he needed special milk. I read up about Soya and steered clear as in males there were links to infertility. Probably blown out of proportion, however Soya plays a 'major' role is so much we eat. I do still try and avoid it but it's like anything, there is always a story for something?

Not at all sure how if at all it would effect horses?

My other boy is a gelding so wouldn't matter to much there :D
 
Definately should be banned - it is very toxic prior to being processed and unfortunately the processing is not good in itself - it has been seriously linked with infertility in women and premature maturity in young girls.

There is masses of literature on line regarding the problems it can cause.

I will not eat products with soy in them or give them to my animals. It is a cheap source of protein which is why it gets added to horse feeds along with wheat products which historically have been bad for horses.

The only truly safe prepared soy is that which is prepared in the traditional Chinese way when it is boiled for the length of time it takes 3 joss sticks to burn down.

I've been saying for many years that I really feel that all the processed feeds are behind many of the metabolic problems affecting horses and ponies these days. We just didn't see them 40 years or so ago. Yet horses and ponies lived long and useful lives. We had few vitamin & mineral supplements - Cod Liver oil was around and Kossolian V5M which is still around today. Horse & Pony Cubes was the only processed food available at the time.
 
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm

SOY DANGERS:

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.

* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic orders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.

* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.

* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.

* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.

* Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.

* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.

* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.

* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and added to many soy foods.

* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.


SOY INFANT FORMULA — BIRTH CONTROL PILLS FOR BABIES

* Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula.

* Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.

* Male infants undergo a “testosterone surge” during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.

* Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions.

* Soy infant feeding—which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments. In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.

* Almost 15 percent of white girls and 50 percent of African-American girls show signs of puberty such as breast development and pubic hair, before the age of eight. Some girls are showing sexual development before the age of three. Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE
 
I'll believe it when I see a reference that takes me to a double blind randomized control trial which controls for other risk factors (smoking, BMI etc) and is in a journal with an impact rating of more than 0.00001. The magazine of Carotec ain't Nature or Science ;)
 
And how much is in your average bag of mix or cubes? I can't be bothered to go and look but I'd guess it's not a huge amount, or is that because it's so poisionous? ;)

It's the kind of logic my OH would use to his advantage: he's a vegetable dodger and has decided he now has a good reason to be as I eat loads of the stuff and have cancer, he doesn't and hasn't. :rolleyes:
 
Simple fact,without soya ,a large percentage of the planet would starve to death. But why worry , we can afford other protein sources in the richer countries.
 
Baydale said:
And how much is in your average bag of mix or cubes? I can't be bothered to go and look but I'd guess it's not a huge amount, or is that because it's so poisionous? ;)

It's the kind of logic my OH would use to his advantage: he's a vegetable dodger and has decided he now has a good reason to be as I eat loads of the stuff and have cancer, he doesn't and hasn't. :rolleyes:
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HI Baydale I do hope you are going on OK. I have been thinking about you since your last post regarding your treatment. I dont know you but just wish you all the luck in the world for a speedy recovery.
 
Friend has fed a yard of 30ish polo ponies (inc broodmares, youngstock and playing ponies) soya for years. Played off 5 and has worked for the Tomlinsons who also breed alot. I've only ever fed it to geldings so can't comment personally!
 
kit279 said:
I'll believe it when I see a reference that takes me to a double blind randomized control trial which controls for other risk factors (smoking, BMI etc) and is in a journal with an impact rating of more than 0.00001. The magazine of Carotec ain't Nature or Science ;)
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This - to the word.
 
well as i am veggie - i virtually live off quorn and soya, my horse is on soya flakes and is keeping her weight on - hasnt really changed her in any other way. So i not going to change anything.
 
onemoretime said:
HI Baydale I do hope you are going on OK. I have been thinking about you since your last post regarding your treatment. I dont know you but just wish you all the luck in the world for a speedy recovery.
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Aw thank you, onemoretime. I'm fine, other than being hairless :o and not always firing on all cylinders, but no-one said it was going to be easy. Tbh this snow is irritating me more than chemo.:rolleyes:
 
I don't know about horse feeds but am surprised it causes breast cancer.

When I had breast cancer I had unpleasant side effects from Tamoxifan and took Soya tablets and ate soya yoghurt. The only comment my Oncologist made was that sufficient quantities to alleviate the side effects might cause stomach upsets. In my case they didn't.

Is there evidence of higher levels of breast cancer in countries where soya is an important part of the daily diet? like Japan and China?
 
TBH, everything is bad for you now - one minute red wine is good, the next its bad.

May as well do most things in moderation and stuff the rest. Something has to get you at some point ;)
 
Haven't read all the threads, but remembered this. There was a report in the Economist magazine a few years ago - hardly a scaremongering publication.

There was a zoo somewhere in the world where they were trying to breed one of the big cats, leopards I think, yet nothing happened, yet in other zoos they were able to breed.
There was an investigation into their feed and the zoo removed some feed that had soya in it. Bingo, they went on to produce cubs. This animal is very susceptible to something in the soya which affected reproduction.

But I wouldn't worry about mare in foal, there must be thousands and thousands of healthy foals that have been born to mares fed with some soya product.

As an aside, it is extremely difficult for humans to avoid eating soya as it is in SO many products.
 
Evelyn said:
Definately should be banned - it is very toxic prior to being processed and unfortunately the processing is not good in itself - it has been seriously linked with infertility in women and premature maturity in young girls.

There is masses of literature on line regarding the problems it can cause.

I will not eat products with soy in them or give them to my animals. It is a cheap source of protein which is why it gets added to horse feeds along with wheat products which historically have been bad for horses.

The only truly safe prepared soy is that which is prepared in the traditional Chinese way when it is boiled for the length of time it takes 3 joss sticks to burn down.

I've been saying for many years that I really feel that all the processed feeds are behind many of the metabolic problems affecting horses and ponies these days. We just didn't see them 40 years or so ago. Yet horses and ponies lived long and useful lives. We had few vitamin & mineral supplements - Cod Liver oil was around and Kossolian V5M which is still around today. Horse & Pony Cubes was the only processed food available at the time.
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Totally agree with this both with human and animal feed
 
I would dearly love to believe the whole 'its a load of tosh' but I do think that there must be something in this. Its a cheap and unnaturally made product and certainly not natural for humans/animals to eat it?There is a very large porportion of soy in most horse conditioning/stud mixes/cubes ( the ones that i have looked at so far- 2nd biggest ingredient )

Fair enough that all the studs/mares are currently eating it and have supposedly been safe on it for a decade or so, but what about all the ones that weren't that we don't know about. Maybe the foals /mares that were fed this could have been born stronger/better. Who knows?

The Japan/China argument is all very well but some are saying that they have a completly different form of soy over there and a very different way of proccessing it before eating it?

Kit I agree, those articles shouldnt be believed until one can find a report written from a more reliable source, but as i say no smoke without fire!
 
Baydale said:
Aw thank you, onemoretime. I'm fine, other than being hairless :o and not always firing on all cylinders, but no-one said it was going to be easy. Tbh this snow is irritating me more than chemo.:rolleyes:
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Glad to hear you are coping. This snow is really getting me down as well, the yard tap keeps getting frozen and we then have to cart water which is really annoying and heavy!!

Hope you will soon come out the other side.
 
seabsicuit2 said:
I would dearly love to believe the whole 'its a load of tosh' but I do think that there must be something in this. Its a cheap and unnaturally made product and certainly not natural for humans/animals to eat it?[\QUOTE]

Am I missing something - I thought soy beans were a natural food stuff? Much the same as any other bean, but just more widely used?
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