Should soya be banned from horse feeds?

Tinselface said:
seabsicuit2 said:
I would dearly love to believe the whole 'its a load of tosh' but I do think that there must be something in this. Its a cheap and unnaturally made product and certainly not natural for humans/animals to eat it?[\QUOTE]

Am I missing something - I thought soy beans were a natural food stuff? Much the same as any other bean, but just more widely used?
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You're right - it's no more unnatural than pressing orange juice or making cheese :rolleyes:
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A lot ,in fact most seeds contain a lot of undesirable substances. Especialy beans. However there is no perfect food and we have adapted to live on many such foods. I think there would be somthing pretty sick about banning soya in horse feeds while we expect two thirds of the world to live on them as a protein source.
 
Tannenbaum said:
It's cutting edge science like this that'll convince me...:rolleyes:;)
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That is evidently the traditional way the Chinese timed the preparation of soya - they probably didn't have a watch and I guess a joss stick took a certain length of time to burn. Unfortunately now in modern production plants they use chemicals and other stuff to turn it to a useful product.

Ever wondered how your tinned mandarins get to be minus the white pythy skin? First, the segments are scalded in hot water to loosen the skin; then they are bathed in a lye solution which digests the albedo and membranes. Finally, the segments undergo several rinses in plain water.

A lot of wierd things are done to our foods to turn them into edible products. Turning an oil to a solid for spreading on your bread? The oils may be good for you but the result of the processing isn't
 
Mandarins ,dont have a problem with that , of course calling it lye might frighten some but that is plain old sodium hydroxide, nasty when concentrated but no toxic effects.
 
Evelyn, your posts seem to hint at some sort of big business conspiracy against us ,so on the principle of fairness I would point out that you are from a country whose principle exports are Sheep and dairy products. Skimmed milk being of course the substitute in terms of protein quality ,to soya. And of course when talking about the hydrogenation of oils to produce margerine ,who is the competitor?Why good old newzealand butter!You see conspiracy can be seen everywhere!
 
Evelyn said:
That is evidently the traditional way the Chinese timed the preparation of soya - they probably didn't have a watch and I guess a joss stick took a certain length of time to burn. Unfortunately now in modern production plants they use chemicals and other stuff to turn it to a useful product.

Ever wondered how your tinned mandarins get to be minus the white pythy skin? First, the segments are scalded in hot water to loosen the skin; then they are bathed in a lye solution which digests the albedo and membranes. Finally, the segments undergo several rinses in plain water.

A lot of wierd things are done to our foods to turn them into edible products. Turning an oil to a solid for spreading on your bread? The oils may be good for you but the result of the processing isn't
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Joking apart - and because I have insomnia :rolleyes: - it's clear that eating foods in the most natural state possible is the healthiest option, and that applies to humans or horses.

I'm a fairly healthy eater - eat when I'm hungry, stop when I'm full - but when I eat processed/artificially sweetened foods they don't satisfy me the same way as a lump of full-fat cheese or meat do. (I had a funny turn and my eyesight went peculiar when I pigged a whole packet of Haribo once, so I try not to do that too often...:o) I do wonder with the many and varied feeds available nowadays whether there's a similar effect on horses. All our hunters and eventers get soaked oats, Alfa Oil, boiled barley and linseed and ad lib haylage (unless they're really fat). They all look disgustingly well, have bags of energy, no behavioural problems and 99% of the time eat up, hunting mornings being the exception.

I've gone off topic a bit - sorry - but what I'm trying to say is that modern ain't necessarily better, soya could just be this year's villain and before you know it we'll all be scaremongered into buying The Next Big Thing.

*Baydale trundles off to plan world domination of the horse feed market with her very own Soya-Free Feed*:D
 
Mike007 said:
Evelyn, your posts seem to hint at some sort of big business conspiracy against us ,so on the principle of fairness I would point out that you are from a country whose principle exports are Sheep and dairy products. Skimmed milk being of course the substitute in terms of protein quality ,to soya. And of course when talking about the hydrogenation of oils to produce margerine ,who is the competitor?Why good old newzealand butter!You see conspiracy can be seen everywhere!
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Mike I'm English! but have lived in NZ for 23 years because it is a really lovely place to live. Our meat is free of chemicals as the lambs live out on grass and don't get fed any grains or mixes. The cows live out 24/7 and apart from drought times live totally off grass.

There is much proof that Soy and margerines and spreads are not good for you. Doesn't bother me in the least as to what people eat but it does bother me when I see children and horses/ponies affected by the foods they are given when there are healthier alternatives.
 
Mike007 said:
Mike quietly slides back to Switserland to bank his money!
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Mike & Baydale both have a smart sense of humour.
Once drank a can of Mellow Yellow and couldn't sit still for hours after - had to leave the cinema my muscles took on a life of their own and drove me insane because all they wanted to do was move. Coca Cola does the same thing to me but not to such extremes. If I drink it late afternoon I can't sleep all night and when I do I have the most horrendous nightmares.
 
Oh dear! LOL at Mike and Baydale.

...you have reduced me to saying lol, where will this end, 'tis the curse of the HHO forum...

On a serious note, it seems to be the processing method rather than the food itself that (might) be a problem. I often find myself drowning in a sea of information when it comes to food choices, some of it useful, some of it white noise, some of it just plain wrong. Depending on how you look at it and who you believe, soya is a healthy low fat protein source, an artificial substance packed full of hormones, a food with too high an environmental cost...unfortunately you can say these things about more or less every single source of protein available. Meat, fish, milk, beans, even many of the grains that vegans use as a protein source could not be sustainably grown if we all wanted to eat them.

So what do we do? If we banned all the potentially problematic foodstuffs in the world then there would be nothing to eat - for us never mind our horses.
 
FlashHarry said:
I believe there is evidence that eating a significant quantity of soya protein has been shown to protect you from breast cancer.
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http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm

SOY DANGERS:

* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.

An excerpt from the details in the link above!
 
I read this headline with interest as my 26-year-old mare has an intolerance to soya. She had consumed feeds with soya in but it was not until I tried pure soya oil that I realised there was a problem. It made her very itchy, especially her inner hind thighs. I now in the process of coming off the balancer I was feeding with soya in so then her diet will be mostly soya free. It is very hard to find any feed for her as she also has problems breaking down too much sugar, garlic has the same effect as soya and she has a problem retaining too much calcium carbonate. Also, need to watch pocket!
Therefore, if soya was banned for whatever reason, I would be quite happy.
 
I shall be reading that article more thoroughly. I have an underactive thyroid and eat quorn occasionally as I don't like meat. If it's not good for us then why give it to animals also. I know that something has got to get you but I prefer fresh fruit and veg and hate processed food. YUK!

Baydale. Hope you have a speedy recovery. xx
 
Probably should be. I failed to get my mare in foal again after her last foal in 2007 and since reading hundreds of articles and research on soya causing infertility in equines and humans concluded that my feeding her it whilst she was racing for 7 seasons probably caused her lowered fertility. My sister-in-law has also failed to get pregnant, various tests did not reveal anything out of order, she still cycled but did not produce folicles, she then told me she is allergic to dairy products (cows) and had since very young about age 3 been on soya milk, cream, yogurts. She came off them for 2 years before having two rounds of IVF, sadly these failed too, damage too great and gave up at age 39.
 
Is that why Japanese people are small ( or that politically incorrect?)

I was at a lecture 15-20 years ago by a famous Professor- you would recognise his name - who mentioned the oestrogens in soya milk maybe affecting baby boys.

Also, and this was reported in The Economist,at a zoo some of the big cats were not reproducing, so they looked carefully at the diet and removed soya products, and they started to have babies from then on.

However, I feed a balancer that has soya as the main protein, rather than oats or wheat, and my horse has had this for the past 12 years with no ill effects! Nor would I expect any. It is slightly worrying that there is soya in viturally all processed food that humans eat - bread, cakes, etc.
 
Well I've been on soya milk and yoghurts for the past 4 years now due to developing a dairy intolerence. I've had no issues...

I very much hope these issues aren't correct as I've had my son since being on soya, he also seems to have a dairy intolerence too so he is also on soya yoghurts.

I think, if you research ANY food enough then you'll find "against" arguements.
 
Baydale said:
And how much is in your average bag of mix or cubes? I can't be bothered to go and look but I'd guess it's not a huge amount, or is that because it's so poisionous? ;)

It's the kind of logic my OH would use to his advantage: he's a vegetable dodger and has decided he now has a good reason to be as I eat loads of the stuff and have cancer, he doesn't and hasn't. :rolleyes:
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Quite a lot. Take it from someone whose horses (and sheep) graze on Soil Association accredited land, if we didn't feed soya then it would make feeding our animals extortionate. I have to get assurances that I feed non- GM soya in my feed and the only company that guarantees this is Allen & Page. The fact that the farmer spreads muck from several local yards on the growing fields is irrelevant (and I bet none of them have a certificate from A&P!)
 
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