Should the person who is loaning your horse have the passport?

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Aimee_Bobbins

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I currently have my horse on a loan to buy agreement.... the loaner has requested for me to send her the passport for the vetting on thursday. Im not entirely happy about this as all i then have then is an agreement and a 10% deposit and she isnt due to purchase her until 20th December.

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I wouldn't give a loaner my horses passport, but she will need the passport for the vetting.. Unless you go to the vetting with the passport and take it home afterwards?
 
Could you maybe send her a photocopy of the passport? Or ask for the vet details and send it to the vet doing the vetting and once it's done have the vet return it to you
 
The loaner needs the passport if she is going to travel the horse anywhere she should need the passport if the horse has to sees the vet .
 
i understand that you need the passport to have her vetted but as she is like over an hour away and i have to work its difficult for me to get there. so you all think i should just send it to her and trust her?
 
I apreciate it's better to be sceptical about peoples intentions, but I think the least you can do is take the morning off work, be present at the vetting and then you can take the passport to them without having to worry.

In normal loan circumstances the person loaning the horse will need to have the passport to be able to have it stamped for annual jabs, and there are many shows that will require the passport to accompany the horse, so yes a loaner should have the passport ideally.
If you don't trust the loaner enough to allow them to keep possesion of the passport then it's only fair that you take the passport to the accompany the horse at those times when the loaner will need it.
 
A horse passport is not proof of ownership and should remain with the horse in the event of him being loaned/transported or moved to another yard (i.e. for schooling).
 
The passport should always be with the horse, regardless who the owner is. If you are concerned that the loaner might try and get the passport put into her name then contact the passport issuing agency and get them to put a block on the passport and only change ownership details once they have written authority from you.
 
Goldenstar said:
The loaner needs the passport if she is going to travel the horse anywhere she should need the passport if the horse has to sees the vet .
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This. Legally the passport has to stay with the horse.

That said, I understand your concerns.

So, if the horse is being vetted - go up and be there with the passport and to obviously observe the vetting (which is sensible), then take it home again until the sale.
 
As others have said, the passport should be with the horse at all times.
We do not allow horses on the yard without theirs or travel anything without taking their passport along.
 
she is loaning her for 4 weeks that is it! after that she buys her or i go and bring her home. this isnt a long term thing and yes i know she needs it for the vetting. im just merely asking what other people would do in my situation this the second week of the 4 she is contracted to loan her for. so your saying i shouldnt send it to her i should just visit her myself?
 
The horsepassport legislation makes it quite clear that the passport should always be with the horse (including horses kept at a livery yard). Therefore your passport should have travelled with the horse to the loan home and be at the loan home. The horses passport is not proof of ownership.

You should also tag your horses record on the www.nedonline.co.uk database stating that the horse is on loan and remains your property.

I would sugest that you make a complete photocopy of your horses passport for your records.
 
By law the passport should be with the horse and the horse should not have even left the yard without it, your meant to take it with you when ever you travel. But i I must admit i forget mine most of the time. We have horse on loan and have passport. Owner has kept a copy. I hope you took something out in writing about the horse being on loan when they took it. So you can prove ownership if they did try something.
I think the vet is meant to check a passport is correct and the right one when the vet a horse.
 
Aimee_Bobbins said:
she is loaning her for 4 weeks that is it! after that she buys her or i go and bring her home. this isnt a long term thing and yes i know she needs it for the vetting. im just merely asking what other people would do in my situation this the second week of the 4 she is contracted to loan her for. so your saying i shouldnt send it to her i should just visit her myself?
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it still, legally, should have been with the horse for the last 4 weeks (assuming vetting being done at end of months trial). As passport is not proof of ownership anyway I would ensure I had a photocopy of the records and stick the passport in the post.
 
Aimee_Bobbins said:
she is loaning her for 4 weeks that is it! after that she buys her or i go and bring her home. this isnt a long term thing and yes i know she needs it for the vetting. im just merely asking what other people would do in my situation this the second week of the 4 she is contracted to loan her for. so your saying i shouldnt send it to her i should just visit her myself?
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Essentially she has this horse on Trial (dodgy).

Law or no law - I would not give my horses passport to anyone.

In your shoes I would absolutely be there for the vetting (why would you not)? And if the horse passess she gives you the cash, you give her the passport and go home.

If the horse fails you just take it and the passport back home with you.

I'm not saying I'm right - but it's what I would do.
 
Aimee_Bobbins said:
she is loaning her for 4 weeks that is it! after that she buys her or i go and bring her home. this isnt a long term thing and yes i know she needs it for the vetting. im just merely asking what other people would do in my situation this the second week of the 4 she is contracted to loan her for. so your saying i shouldnt send it to her i should just visit her myself?
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''Legally'' you should have sent the passport with the pony. However as you don't want to give them posession yet, it is VERY important that you make the effort and arrange your diary to ensure you are present at the vetting and have the passport there with you. Otherwise you will be the one who is accused of the timewasting, and you may lose your sale because of this.
 
I appreciate your concern in handing over the passport - I've just done it recently and it does feel a little weird. However, as others have said the passport is not a document of ownership and doesn't prove anything, other than that the horse is what is says it is.

As for the vetting, if I were you I'd move heaven and earth to be there! Since it's not local to you and, presumably, not a practice you're familiar with, I'd want to make sure that it's all above board.
 
I agree with what others have said about the passport "should" stay with the horse. Having said that I would be a bit wary about it! I think if I were in your situation I would do as amymay says and go to the vetting, give the passport with the horse if it passes and take both the horse and passport home if it should fail.
 
I had 2 horses on loan with a view to buy for 2 weeks, I was not given the passport until I'd given them the money. The horse I've brought recently from a dealer gave me the horses passport after he'd passed the vetting, so I had the passport and not the horse!
 
The passport should stay with the horse and will be needed for the vetting (& if the horse is ever transported anywhere). It was never intended to be used to for proof of ownership. Far more valuable to you would be for you to hang onto your receipt from when you bought the horse and to have a written agreement (signed by both parties and pref witnesses as well) with the loaner / buyer stating the full amount they need to pay you, when the installments are expected and on what date the horse will become theirs / that the horse will only become theirs when the full balance owed is payed.
 
Not read the other replies but I certainly wouldn't. I think (though could be wrong) that legally a photocopy of the passort is acceptable. They will then ask to see the original passport but they give you a time limit. At least thats what i'm lead to believe. I don't see why they need a passport for vetting purposes other than to see the vaccination record. My horse had a Spanish passport when he was vetted and the vet said it was worth nothing I had to get a British passport done for him. I would only hand over the original once you are in receipt of the full money agreed. You can't be too careful these days.
 
Boulty said:
The passport should stay with the horse and will be needed for the vetting (& if the horse is ever transported anywhere). It was never intended to be used to for proof of ownership. Far more valuable to you would be for you to hang onto your receipt from when you bought the horse and to have a written agreement (signed by both parties and pref witnesses as well) with the loaner / buyer stating the full amount they need to pay you, when the installments are expected and on what date the horse will become theirs / that the horse will only become theirs when the full balance owed is payed.
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This. Play silly buggers with passport and you might ruin the sale. The vet may refuse to do the vetting without it. If I was the buyer, this would drive me nuts.
 
Pocket_Rocket said:
Not read the other replies but I certainly wouldn't. I think (though could be wrong) that legally a photocopy of the passort is acceptable. They will then ask to see the original passport but they give you a time limit. At least thats what i'm lead to believe. I don't see why they need a passport for vetting purposes other than to see the vaccination record. My horse had a Spanish passport when he was vetted and the vet said it was worth nothing I had to get a British passport done for him. I would only hand over the original once you are in receipt of the full money agreed. You can't be too careful these days.
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A photocopy is not acceptable under the passport act. If OPs horse was moved by loaner and if in the ( admittedly unlikely) event of being asked to produce it by trading standards OP could be liable for a fine of up to £5000 .
That's the law it's crap but that what it says
 
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