Should we see a difference yet?

good. How is amber not comfortable being in? You said in your first dfew posts you 'moved her outside' so surely she has been comfortable inside up til now..
 
You also said Amber will lie on the tiles if too hot. That does not equate to being confined in an indoor cage outside.

The pups need to be at a constant temp, they cannot regulate themselves and mum's body warmth will not keep 7 chunky pups warm.

The dam needs to be allowed freedom to leave the ops somewhere warm and safe and the pups need to be reared inside with human interaction so as to be socialised for their new owners.

I can't work out if you are attention seeking by saying that you'll move her outside again when it's warmer: you know we'll all say how terrible that is and you've had several people threaten you with the RSPCA. Bit stupid to be proud and do what you want as opposed to what is best for the dogs and to risk having them taken off you.
 
Has it occured to anyone else that perhaps due to lack of homes for all puppies that the OP is hoping that natural selection will weed out some of the weaker specimen?
 
PucciNPoni said:
Has it occured to anyone else that perhaps due to lack of homes for all puppies that the OP is hoping that natural selection will weed out some of the weaker specimen?
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*sticks fingers in ears* I refuse to believe anyone with an ounce of sense/any morals would do that. :(
 
The worst thing about that dreadful crate plus plastic bed affair was that puppies wriggle and wander,at any time one or more could have gone over the edge of that unsuitable bed and got chilled enough to die..NO the bitch will not get it back,for some reason they rarely do.If she MUST be outside may I make an old fashioned suggestion?Using straw bales build a two bale high area,about two bales long by one ot two bales deep.The front could be just one bale high so Amber can come and go as needed.Fill the floor area deeply with either straw or hay,with a dip in the middle for the brood..perhaps a groundsheet under that filling.Put a sheet of something..corrugated iron(?) over the top..and pile straw bales on top of that.Over the front gap you can hang a thick blanket ,just a corner slightly ajar;I promise you those puppies will then have a cheap and very effective outdoor whelping area that will generate a toasty warm interior. It won`t cost you much,it looks comfy and your bitch and puppies will thrive..by the way ,at two weeks (now) they should start to be fed INDIVIDUALLY with a handheld ball of best beef mince..human grade.Now,you asked advice,you`ve got away with it so far,not asking for the Moon here..just get on and use these adequate if old fashioned and cheap methods.:)
 
EAST KENT said:
The worst thing about that dreadful crate plus plastic bed affair was that puppies wriggle and wander,at any time one or more could have gone over the edge of that unsuitable bed and got chilled enough to die..NO the bitch will not get it back,for some reason they rarely do.If she MUST be outside may I make an old fashioned suggestion?Using straw bales build a two bale high area,about two bales long by one ot two bales deep.The front could be just one bale high so Amber can come and go as needed.Fill the floor area deeply with either straw or hay,with a dip in the middle for the brood..perhaps a groundsheet under that filling.Put a sheet of something..corrugated iron(?) over the top..and pile straw bales on top of that.Over the front gap you can hang a thick blanket ,just a corner slightly ajar;I promise you those puppies will then have a cheap and very effective outdoor whelping area that will generate a toasty warm interior. It won`t cost you much,it looks comfy and your bitch and puppies will thrive..by the way ,at two weeks (now) they should start to be fed INDIVIDUALLY with a handheld ball of best beef mince..human grade.Now,you asked advice,you`ve got away with it so far,not asking for the Moon here..just get on and use these adequate if old fashioned and cheap methods.:)
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And use some broom handles to act as pig rails so's the pups don't get squashed/killed.
 
There ARE ways of saying things. I have to agree though, there are enough unwanted crossbreeds in the country that need homes without breeding more.

I know yours have homes to go to, but if you were thinking of breeding anyway but not now, maybe you should have found all this out in preparation, but if it was an accident, I appreciate you might not have had time, but why were these dogs allowed together, knowing the birds and the bees and all that ??
 
read the whole thread NG ;)
I am pleased to see the pups inside, I hope they remain that way, I apologise for not replying at the weekend when pics were posted, I had issues with my own litter. They all look to be big chunky pups and doing well.
 
Lizzie :) said:
yes i am a friend of hers and i can tell you that the crate that amber and her puppies are in is HUGE! they have plenty of room in there and i know that the puppies will be EXTREMELY well looked after! :mad:
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Sorry you are blinded by your friendship, the crate is quite big but the blue bed !?! its big enough for a jack russel, my springer has a bed 3 times as big as that for herself ! It is OUTSIDE with a few rugs chucked over it ? is that the insulation ? poor poor bitch and pups

So presume the bitch has to stumble her way in and out of that thing she is living in ?? disgusting.

I can't say anymore I'd probably be banned
 
MurphysMinder said:
The heat pads that vizslak mentioned are the same principle as an electric blanket but they are vinyl, and then have a soft cover and the cable is insulated. They are only around £30 to buy, but in the OPs situation I imagine an extension cable would have to be run out to the crate, which would maybe not be the best idea if it rains.
OP I am delighted to hear you are considering bringing Amber and the pups inside, please do so, and keep them in until the pups are fully active. Apart from anything else you will miss so much if the pups are shut outside, if they are in the house with you I guarantee they will keep you constantly amused.
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Its only for the night MM if it gets colder :-(
 
NOISYGIRL said:
Its only for the night MM if it gets colder :-(
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I think you're a little behind Noisygirl. Bitch and pups are now inside, and there is no indication that they have been moved back out, or are going to be.

I think we can probably all put our minds at rest.
 
Vizslak said:
read the whole thread NG ;)
I am pleased to see the pups inside, I hope they remain that way, I apologise for not replying at the weekend when pics were posted, I had issues with my own litter. They all look to be big chunky pups and doing well.
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I have now, soz, realised after reading on
 
OP is feeling a bit stupid now as welfare authorities have visited a confirmed the outside accomodation was not suitable..
 
NOISYGIRL said:
OK SORRY will do next time jeez, and I'll learn how to multiquote and everything
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Press the little square bottom right with '' in the corner. It will go orange but won't take you to a reply box until you click reply. You can click as many boxes as you like to multi quote as many posts as you like. (Hope you weren't being sarcastic! :p)
 
Shame the op has not been back to let us know how the pups and mum are.
I really hope shes now seen sense and is looking after the pups properly at last.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Press the little square bottom right with '' in the corner. It will go orange but won't take you to a reply box until you click reply. You can click as many boxes as you like to multi quote as many posts as you like. (Hope you weren't being sarcastic! :p)
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No I wasn't being sarcastic, thanks :-)
 
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