Showing help - traditional coloureds or cob?

[Chinchilla]

What a lovely stamp he is, if a bit in-between showing categories.
What about entering him in CHAPS classes? (I know nothing about showing but thought it was worth a mention!)

Will admit I'm really confused by all the height stuff ?

 

[Leandy]

I agree with the comments around height. Most people overestimate height and forget that measurement is without shoes. I'd measure him accurately and go from there. You don't want to be one of the smallest in the ring, so it will be better to go for a class he is close to the max height for. If you can establish that he is not more than 15.2 you will have more choice of classes. If he does not have enough substance for cob classes or is a tad too big, you could give the small hunters a go.

 

[Rh88]

It was a total estimate height-wise (not very helpful, sorry!). I'll post again when I know more! I'm not the desp either way, so if he's too big that's fine! Thank you so much for all your thoughts, really appreciate it.

 

[Rh88]

Difficult...with hair he is (as someone else as said) more Native than Traditional, the most important thing for a cob really, is how he moves.
If he has knee action then Native (so think a coloured version of a Welsh D in trimming / turning him out)
If he moves from the shoulder and covers the ground that way then consider hogging and trimming. HOWEVER....the Maxis are really Sumos not Maxis nowadays.
If you're only doing unaffiliated you really could do either - but to hog a cob of 15.3hh you'd really need a good 9.5-10" of bone, and a really good depth of body & i am not sure your cob has enough depth of body to make a really good example of a show cob.

This is really interesting, thank you

 

[ihatework]

He is lovely but he isn’t really a show stamp, either cob or traditional.

There will however be loads of options open to you locally including coloured & riding club in addition to the cobs/hunters so I think I’d be inclined to just keep him clipped and trimmed.

He’s a lovely versatile type

 

[Rh88]

He is lovely but he isn’t really a show stamp, either cob or traditional.

There will however be loads of options open to you locally including coloured & riding club in addition to the cobs/hunters so I think I’d be inclined to just keep him clipped and trimmed.

He’s a lovely versatile type

Thank you

 

[minesadouble]

If he really does measure 15.3 on a stick with a spirit level on level ground, and it's not an owner guesstimate, then how do you get a 15.3 horse to measure 15.1 by taking off the shoes?

Genuinely confused.

Well I guess it's mainly because measuring sticks in general are just not very accurate.

I've never had a pony dangerously close to the limit but every pony I've ever known always measures smaller at the vets on a pad under a laser than they do at home on the stick.

We had a lovely RoR some years ago who measured every bit of 16.1 at home (with shoes on) and a producer friend said we should show him as a small RH and that he would easily measure 158cm. (We never actually had him officially measured as we just stuck to RoRs with him.)

 

[Nudibranch]

Not wanting to take the thread off topic but what's with the native thing? Presumably I've missed something in the 30 odd years I've been showing but when did a coloured cob type become classed as a native? To me a native class is a breed class - often split into smaller and larger breeds, or individual breeds. But the only native society allowing coloureds is Shetland, and a cob is not a breed. No offence OP!
Happy to be enlightened!
Btw I'd look for chaps classes...

 

[conniegirl]

Not wanting to take the thread off topic but what's with the native thing? Presumably I've missed something in the 30 odd years I've been showing but when did a coloured cob type become classed as a native? To me a native class is a breed class - often split into smaller and larger breeds, or individual breeds. But the only native society allowing coloureds is Shetland, and a cob is not a breed. No offence OP!
Happy to be enlightened!
Btw I'd look for chaps classes...

I think you are thinking of M&M classes which are for purebred ponies of the british native breeds and yes apart from shetlands none can be coloured.

Native types are coloureds who look like m&m’s but obviously are not purebred so cannot go in the m&m classes.
CHAPS and BSPA both split thier classes into plaiteds and the cob/traditionsl/native type.

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

Nothing to add other than he's lovely ?

 

[Rh88]

Ah thank you! Can't wait to get him out and about. Hope you all have a great year with your horses, we deserve some fun!

 

[jnb]

Not wanting to take the thread off topic but what's with the native thing? Presumably I've missed something in the 30 odd years I've been showing but when did a coloured cob type become classed as a native? To me a native class is a breed class - often split into smaller and larger breeds, or individual breeds. But the only native society allowing coloureds is Shetland, and a cob is not a breed. No offence OP!
Happy to be enlightened!
Btw I'd look for chaps classes...

Coloured Native TYPE (as opposed to Non-Native TYPE from the CHAPS definition) - nothing to do with "being" a Native - they clearly can't because coloureds are prohibited in Native (M&M) breed standards.

From the BSPA Handbook:

"LARGE NATIVE TYPES Between 14hh and 15.2hh derived from the Large Native Breeds mainly seen in Tobiano coat patterns. Description A bold well formed head with no coarseness on it. Often large eyes with the head well set on and a natural carriage and height of rein. Flat bone with the ability to carry adults. Rangier than the small native but without loosing the roundness in shape. The action should be strong and purposeful with some free action and strong and active hocks; the ridden animal may have a flatter action but still Small Native - Shetland Small Native - Shetland showing the fundamental way of going characteristics.
A proud animal who is neat and compact. The mane, tail and feather requirements are the same as those for the small native and the coat should be fine and the feather quality.

The difference between native and traditional should be unmistakeable.

Way of Going An - active animal like the small native who should be forward going and purposeful in all its paces. The walk to be active and covering the ground in an even manner.
The trot to be going places but not rushed or hurried – the pony’s movement taking the rider.
The canter to be even but again with purpose. This type should give a good extension lowering and opening its stride using the shoulder as it does to set the strong trot pace.
Manners as always vital but an animal with real presence and look at me quality that again should be flamboyant and thrilling to watch"

 

[jnb]

Link to Booklet in case anyone is really interested:

https://www.bspaonline.com/pdf/booklets/Natives_Booklet.pdf

 

[Rh88]

Update, measured myself and he came out as 15.2. Here he is plaited at a recent ode, think he'd suit being hogged and shown in cob classes...

 

[Hepsibah]

Update, measured myself and he came out as 15.2. Here he is plaited at a recent ode, think he'd suit being hogged and shown in cob classes... View attachment 75334View attachment 75335

He scrubs up very nicely doesn't he! Have you measured his bone?

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Hog him. He will be fine for local level cob classes and coloureds. He doesn't suit being plaited. Sorry but his head is far too big to get away with plaits. You will have a lot of fun with him. Some shows will also allow you to do the working hunter as its more of a horse thing than a hunter thing bit check with the secretary first.

 

[Rh88]

Hog him. He will be fine for local level cob classes and coloureds. He doesn't suit being plaited. Sorry but his head is far too big to get away with plaits. You will have a lot of fun with him. Some shows will also allow you to do the working hunter as its more of a horse thing than a hunter thing bit check with the secretary first.

Yes I know ? it was a one day event so wasn't too fusy about his appearance

 

[Rh88]

He scrubs up very nicely doesn't he! Have you measured his bone?

No, but I shall!

 

[minesadouble]

I think he'd really suit being hogged and shown as a cob. Definitely go for it!
Hard to see his confirmation in those shots but he looks a nice type.

 

[Pinkvboots]

He will look lovely hogged and completely clipped out.

 

[Rh88]

I think he'd really suit being hogged and shown as a cob. Definitely go for it!
Hard to see his confirmation in those shots but he looks a nice type.

Thank you

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I would show him coloured classes - and I certainly wouldn't clip him for summer shows. I wouldn't hog either, as he is not a cob.

 

[PSD]

I would show him coloured classes - and I certainly wouldn't clip him for summer shows. I wouldn't hog either, as he is not a cob.

Have to agree but he does look to have decent bone.

If he were mine I’d show him as a native dependant on how much bone he measured at. Definitely wouldn’t plait him

 

[Tinsel]

Good luck but I would definitely show him native but I am not a fan of the hogs group I do understand the point of doing that but I personally love a flowing mane

 

[minesadouble]

Have a Google of lightweight show cobs and compare..
I would say he's not refined enough to show as a coloured Native (a lot are pbw and have the little Welsh head) and not hairy enough for a traditional.
From those pics I'd say there's enough bone there for hogged cob.

 

[Melandmary]

I know nothing about the height aspect and I'm not a shower but he doesn't have enough mane and feather to go in traditional classes. I would show as a cob /working hunter. He is lovely by the way ?

 

[Pearlsasinger]

Have a Google of lightweight show cobs and compare..
I would say he's not refined enough to show as a coloured Native (a lot are pbw and have the little Welsh head) and not hairy enough for a traditional.
From those pics I'd say there's enough bone there for hogged cob.

In a local show there will be all sorts of sizes and shapes of coloured horses and ponies, they might be split into 2 height classes but otherwise anything goes. I wouldn't plait him but if you decide to do so, you will have to practise very neat plaits.

 

[I'm Dun]

Have a Google of lightweight show cobs and compare..
I would say he's not refined enough to show as a coloured Native (a lot are pbw and have the little Welsh head) and not hairy enough for a traditional.
From those pics I'd say there's enough bone there for hogged cob.

Me too. He is definitely not a native. The good ones are basically coloured welshies. Hogged and clipped he would be a reasonable light weight cob. Hes never going to HOYs but at local level he will be fine. He can also do CHAPS classes turned out as a cob, I cant imagine hes going to do well in CHAPs classes turned out inappropriately

 

[Rh88]

Thanks all! Lots of food for thought. Just little local shows to complement the other stuff we do so no wild aspirations! And no intention of plaiting for showing, just what we've been doing for dressage.

 

[ester]

I'm in the hog camp.