Sieger 2009

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For whoever is interested, the top placings from Ulm.

Double Sieger Vegas
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/441845.html


Siegerin (his daughter!) Bella
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/560255.html


Youth Male Quattro von der Partnachklamm
Youth Female Juri vom Schollweiher

Young Male Sultan von der Jahnhöhle
Young Female Heike vom Osterberger Land

Some of the dogs with British connections did well too!
Notably the Conbhairean kennel from Scotland who had two youngsters with SG18 and SG27.
The second placed Young Male, Nino v Tronje is by Irok Karanberg, who carries the same lines as my two and while bred in Germany, has strong Irish connections
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Please post here if you know of any more!

Well done to all the placings.


NOTE - while these dogs may not be to everyone's personal taste, they were selected by breed specialists from the World authority for the German Shepherd, the WUSV.
The adult animals were subject to two days of gaiting (around an athletics field, not a little triangle
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), obedience, long and short protection work, a scale, a-Frame etc.
The dogs had to produce progeny groups.
All the adults in the top classes/placings are breed surveyed KK1, have the Korung and the AD - Ausdauerpruefung, endurance test - ie a 20km run off a bike.
Please consider all of this if anyone feels tempted to use the words 'crippled' or 'deformed' - these dogs are neither.
 
Thanks for posting this CC. Really like the look of Vegas, interesting breeding too. Well done to Cedric too. Whilst I have no great desire to visit the majority of UK shows the Sieger is something else isn't it.
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Vegas is super and I love the bitch too, look how he transmits his type!
I WILL go next year. But I have been saying that for the last ten years
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Nino is a cracker and Sambo and Santana Arlett are very good too, also by Irok.

Yeah, the PDB ads are the cutest, aren't they?
No more puppies, no more puppies!!!!!
 

I WILL go next year. But I have been saying that for the last ten years
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I think the last time I went was when your Mum brought back an "import" for you. Probably about 25 years ago
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You mean Onyx (named after Onyx v Batu) and Koenig?!
I still have them! Everyone else at three years old was running around with teddy bears called 'Scruffy' and I had two toy GSDs with very pretentious names
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CaveCanem do the dogs naturally stack themselves like that or are they placed like that?
They both look like very nice dogs, OH`s nan is very into her shepherds unfortunately they lost there last one before OH and I got together but is hoping to have another once she is retired, he/she will be staying with us when they go on holiday to their villa in cyprus so I can see myself becoming very interested in the breed
 
That is the way they have been stood for decades, even the old English 'Alsatian' types were stacked the same way, even though they look like different dogs.

I was handling yesterday (not at the Sieger
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) and my preferred method is to stay standing myself, let the dog walk into the stance and then place the legs if I need to, then step away, lengthening the lead - ideally, they learn that as youngsters and when they are adults they then know what to do when you tell them to 'stand' and you shouldn't have to go near them, you can stay on the other end of the lead.
(As you can see, the handlers are nowhere near the dogs in the pictures)

I know lots of people prefer to crouch down behind them and fuss over them but I prefer to let the dogs show themselves off rather than me manipulate them too much and get in the way of the judge's view of the dog.

The dogs in the top flight move into the stance on command because they have done it so many times.

One good thing about the GSD being a 'young' breed and one that was specifically designed for a purpose by one man is that their history in both Germany and the UK is very well documented and makes an interesting read!
Are you going to run it with your others?
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Oh and a warning if you venture onto the GSD Rescue website, you will want to take EVERYTHING home
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I have noticed that my dogs will naturally stand like that even when just looking at something. Yesterday I was at a horse show and a friends OH was holding Buffy. She was standing looking for me in a perfect show pose
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Its interesting that many breeds of horse are also shown standing with one hind leg slightly forward.

There was a craze a few years ago for artificially creating a backline by standing the dog with one hand on its chest and the other on its croup and basically shoving the 2 together . A then boyfriend of mine was a great exponent of it
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But I agree with CC in that I prefer a dog to walk into stance on the end of a lead.
 
Yep, B stands like that, see the pic of him in the 'pet project' post below, he was miles away from me as well!

I hated that craze for pushing and shoving the dogs, always felt sorry for the poor dogs
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That is the way they have been stood for decades, even the old English 'Alsatian' types were stacked the same way, even though they look like different dogs.

I was handling yesterday (not at the Sieger
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) and my preferred method is to stay standing myself, let the dog walk into the stance and then place the legs if I need to, then step away, lengthening the lead - ideally, they learn that as youngsters and when they are adults they then know what to do when you tell them to 'stand' and you shouldn't have to go near them, you can stay on the other end of the lead.
(As you can see, the handlers are nowhere near the dogs in the pictures)

I know lots of people prefer to crouch down behind them and fuss over them but I prefer to let the dogs show themselves off rather than me manipulate them too much and get in the way of the judge's view of the dog.

The dogs in the top flight move into the stance on command because they have done it so many times.

One good thing about the GSD being a 'young' breed and one that was specifically designed for a purpose by one man is that their history in both Germany and the UK is very well documented and makes an interesting read!
Are you going to run it with your others?
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Oh and a warning if you venture onto the GSD Rescue website, you will want to take EVERYTHING home
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In our breed most leave their dogs to stack themselves but you do see some placing paws, its thought that if the dog is correctly built then they should stack themselves correctly without needing to be fussed, Loco pretty much stands correctly on her own, i have tonnes of pictures of her side on where she has just stopped and stood and shes stood correctly
Working the dog, definately lol if he/she takes to it and are healthy enough (will have them hip scored before doing any intense training with rest) some of the organisations we run with have open classes where members non-sled breeds can run in harness....we have quite a few collies, aussies, GSDs, Dobes etc running in those classes and they love it
 
Good, a busy GSD is a happy GSD

Yeah, I always wait until the gaiting section of our classes, that sorts the wheat from the chaff, it can be easy to push a dog into a shape which is why I prefer the 'end of the lead' style of handling.
I'll pick a slightly plain, but better-moving dog any day.

Have PM'd you....
 
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Really like the look of Vegas, interesting breeding too.

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Was thinking about this today - bearing in mind the thread about Totilas in NL and the references to inbreeding/horses compared to show dogs unfit for purpose, I think it is very interesting to note that Vegas has no linebreeding in five generations.
Throwing in a wildcard, male or female, still works.

And he is obviously fit for purpose, what with his KK1(including the AD) and SchIII
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