Gentle_Warrior
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Friends horse she loans if ridden in 3 ring gag, but have never seen the gag rings used, is always fixed on the snaffle ring. Would a likely replacement be a hanging cheek (filet baucher) ?
similar ?
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Frankstown
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Yes, absolutely
Gentle_Warrior
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thought so, thanks
diondelmonte
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The three ring would still be a lot stronger on the snaffle ring than a hanging cheek would.
If you place your fingers in between the horses poll & he headpiece & test it with both the hanging cheek & the 3 ring on the snaffle ring, you will see that there is quite a bit of difference
If you place your fingers in between the horses poll & he headpiece & test it with both the hanging cheek & the 3 ring on the snaffle ring, you will see that there is quite a bit of difference
madhector
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A hanging cheek doesnt apply poll pressure
Gentle_Warrior
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am VERY confused now then !!!!
just a very ugly bit, that is never used to its full ! friend would like something neater, horses face is not the prettiest hence trying to give her a chance with a neater bit !!!!!!
just a very ugly bit, that is never used to its full ! friend would like something neater, horses face is not the prettiest hence trying to give her a chance with a neater bit !!!!!!
madhector
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something neater than a gag, maybe a wilkie? or myler with hooks?
Scruff
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A hanging cheek doesnt apply poll pressure
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Isn't that exactly what it does do, making it different from a plain snaffle, otherwise what would be the point of the hanging cheek?
A hanging cheek doesnt apply poll pressure
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Isn't that exactly what it does do, making it different from a plain snaffle, otherwise what would be the point of the hanging cheek?
madhector
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Try putting your fingers under the headpiece when rien pressure is applied
In fact it does the opposite and is designed to hang in the horses mouth, not to applie poll pressure at all, very common misconception
In fact it does the opposite and is designed to hang in the horses mouth, not to applie poll pressure at all, very common misconception
merlinsquest
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Hanging cheek does apply poll pressure!!!
zizz
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A hanging cheek doesnt apply poll pressure
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Isn't that exactly what it does do, making it different from a plain snaffle, otherwise what would be the point of the hanging cheek?
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It stays much stiller in the horses mouth than a normal snaffle
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A hanging cheek doesnt apply poll pressure
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Isn't that exactly what it does do, making it different from a plain snaffle, otherwise what would be the point of the hanging cheek?
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It stays much stiller in the horses mouth than a normal snaffle
madhector
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Wont get into a debate about it, but believe me it doesnt.
There was a post a while ago with an excellent phot example, but cant find it
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Baucher/Fillis/Hanging cheek/Drop cheek
Action: The baucher has an eggbutt-like ring at the mouthpiece for the rein, with an upper cheek that has a ring at its end, to which the cheekpieces of the bridle are attached. The mouthpiece does not slide on its ring (which would have put the bit in the gag bit category instead of the snaffle). This bit lies flat against the horse's face, and is quite fixed in the mouth and concentrates pressure on the bars. However, contrary to common belief, this bit does not create poll pressure.
There was a post a while ago with an excellent phot example, but cant find it
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Baucher/Fillis/Hanging cheek/Drop cheek
Action: The baucher has an eggbutt-like ring at the mouthpiece for the rein, with an upper cheek that has a ring at its end, to which the cheekpieces of the bridle are attached. The mouthpiece does not slide on its ring (which would have put the bit in the gag bit category instead of the snaffle). This bit lies flat against the horse's face, and is quite fixed in the mouth and concentrates pressure on the bars. However, contrary to common belief, this bit does not create poll pressure.
ravenwood1
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Despite what has been said above I would still recommend your friend give the hanging cheek a try. I exercise and school my horse in a french link loose ring snaffle but hunt in a french link hanging cheek and it definately gives me a bit more control - she doesn't tend to clamp her jaw or pull in it. I am very happy to have discovered this bit.
madhector
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I dont deny it gives more control, it can be a very useful bit, but just not if you want poll pressure
Gentle_Warrior
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Thanks guys, I stand corrected on the hanging cheek aswell !!! learn something new everyday !!!! glad I asked !!!
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Gentle_Warrior
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however !!! I have found the below on the Neu Schule website
The Action of the Baucher
This causes poll pressure (dressage legal as a Snaffle or as a Bradoon used in conjunction with a Weymouth). When a contact is taken the upper arm is angled forwards causing the mouthpiece to lift - thereby suspending it in the mouth and reducing the pressure across the tongue and the bars - this is often beneficial for cases of over sensitivity. Any extension above the mouthpiece causes poll pressure - this in itself has a head lowering action. However, if the horse is going forward into a contact and active behind this will encourage a rounding action and help tremendously with the outline. I have recently sought clarification from British Dressage and in turn the FEI regarding the legal limit on the Baucher arms and there actually was none!! From the 1st Feb 2005 the maximum height of the baucher/hanging cheek snaffle will be 12 cm - this is from top to bottom - not just the upper arm.
The Action of the Baucher
This causes poll pressure (dressage legal as a Snaffle or as a Bradoon used in conjunction with a Weymouth). When a contact is taken the upper arm is angled forwards causing the mouthpiece to lift - thereby suspending it in the mouth and reducing the pressure across the tongue and the bars - this is often beneficial for cases of over sensitivity. Any extension above the mouthpiece causes poll pressure - this in itself has a head lowering action. However, if the horse is going forward into a contact and active behind this will encourage a rounding action and help tremendously with the outline. I have recently sought clarification from British Dressage and in turn the FEI regarding the legal limit on the Baucher arms and there actually was none!! From the 1st Feb 2005 the maximum height of the baucher/hanging cheek snaffle will be 12 cm - this is from top to bottom - not just the upper arm.