sinusitis, surgical removal infected right jugular vein vs euthanasia

Julz

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Hi, I am wondering if anyone has personal or knowledge of the sucess of surgical removal of an infected right jugular vein. My 7 yr old mare has been ill since Jul 07. I bought her in Apr 07 from a friend so her history for the year prior was known and she was absolutely fine. 2 weeks later she broke my arm which meant she was roughed off for 9wks. When i brought her back into work in Jun 07 she was nappy and difficult to ride, but as she was a new ride to me, and had moved yards several times, i put it down to her challenging me (she is definitely a mare!). In Jul 07 she became unwell - she was obviously in pain, had a nasal discharge, was depressed and looked as if she had a blinding headache. no specific diagnosis was made by the vet; antibiotics and an iron suppl were prescribed. She was slow to recover, lacked energy and enthusiasm and never seemed 100%. She continued to be difficult to ride although she was much better with more talented and stronger riders (I am v weak down my left side which she took full advantage of) although slow progress was being made. I was convinced that she was particularly uncordinated in canter but even experienced trainers could not put their finger on what was wrong with her. In Feb 08 she developed a nasal discharge from the right hand side and exhibited a further episode of lethargy and dullness. This time, the problem was quickly identified by radiographs as fluid buildup within one or several sinus cavities. Antibiotics were prescribed which cleared up the discharge temporarily. When the discharge returned, I requested further investigation of the problem, convinced that this had been the problem in Jul 07. Fortunately she is covered for vets fees and her insurers have been superb - I'm not sure if i can mention who my insurers are in this forum - they deserve a mention though. Surgery in Apr 08 revealed a sinus cyst, which was removed. The nasal discharge continued, vets were continually consulted, the area re-radiographed but veterinary advice was to give her more time. Mid Aug 08 the area under the bone flap abcessed so the vets re-opened, redrained and created a fistula (hole) to promote drainage. The horse returned home, still dull and thin after having looked well the previous month, although still not 100% right in my eyes. 2nd week of Sep 08 she suffered an impaction colic (considered the result of eating a fresh straw bed when stabled because of bad weather). She had to be re-admitted to the clinic when it failed to clear and she was in pain and becoming dehydrated. She returned home very thin and poor, still with her trademark nasal discharge. Then she came in from the field with a swollen fetlock and in pain - thought to have been a twist. She was then on box rest for 3 wks while I stuffed food into her to try and build her up for the winter. I called the vet out last wed as I was convinced that the horse was unwell, she had an intermittant nasal discharge from her left nostril in addition to her usual RH disharge and a slight cough and her fetlock was still slightly swollen & warm. He looked at her nasal discharge and told me to give her more time. Unfortunately, he did not take her pulse, temp or take a blood sample. The following day she was poorer, but the symptoms were similar to the usual sinus episodes that she has been suffering so i did not suspect another issue developing and gave her bute to ease the pain. Over the weekend, her neck & jaw started to swell, to a greater extent than had previously been seen. By tue the horse was clearly very unwell and in considerable pain so i phoned the vet stating that he would have to investigate further as the horse was clearly in considerable pain; I arranged to drop her off the following day. By wed, an abcess was forming on the right hand underside of her neck. She was admitted on wed am, and quickly diagnosed with an abcess which had infected and blocked the right jugular vein. We do not know whether the infection has spread further at this stage. Strong antibiotics and painkillers have eased her pain slightly so she is fairly comfortable at the moment. Options are to try and get her strong enough to operate on to remove the jugular vein (leaving it in-situ can result in reduced fluid drainage on that side and fluid build up around the head), or euthanasia. This is major surgery, required to save her life unless by some miracle the antibiotics alone clears up the infection (but given the horse's history, one wonders). The vet seems in favour of euthanasia given what the horse has been through already this year, and her prognosis for a full return to good health is 50/50 at best, with a large question mark over what work she could be expected to do in the future. I am not that attached to this horse given the trouble she has been (although i have shed a bathfull of tears for her), she is still my horse and i ought to do the right thing for her. I don't need a useless horse / hack/ broodmare as my other horse may be about to join the later category, and i am not in the ideal position to keep 2 field ornaments. If we euthanase her, i am better off financially than trying to save her and then give her away. i don't feel that i can take much more of the stress of trying to look after a constantly sick horse. I am also accutely aware of owner's responsbilities to make difficult decisions rather than leave it to other people to look after other people's cast-offs and field ornaments. But, it is still difficult to accept that we should give up on this horse. I do feel we are losing a constant battle with this horse's health, and that the sinus problem has not been fully resolved. Has anyone had experince or knowledge of surgical removal of jugular veins, the side-effects and the after-care? or recoccurent sinusitis? grafteful for any thoughts and advice during this difficult time.
 
hi julz sorry to her off your troubles with this poor horse. Given all the stuff that this poor horse has been through and how ill she is if she where mine i would definitly be going down the route of euthanasia as i think it would be kinder. Also your vet has also said he would opt for this rather than surgery. i know how hard it is i had one of mine pts yesterday and (crying writting this) but you have got to whats best for the horse and i know you problerly know what the right thing deep down
lots of ((((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))
 
I can't help re the operation but from very long experience, if your vet has suggested giving up then that is what I would do I'm afraid as they are not normally allowed to sway an owner's decision one way or the other unless it is in the very best interest of the animal; they are meant to allow the owner to call the tune. In this case it seems enough is enough and you should thank goodness that you have a realistic and caring vet who is putting the horse first other than one which is happy to milk the insurance company in my view. I'm sorry I couldn't be more positive.

BTW, it is perfectly permissible to tell us which company have been so helpful for you, that's not against the rules!
 
Sor sorry to hear this. When I started to read, after the title, my initial response was to do whatever is necessary to save the horse - I am in the same position as Tikino having lost my beautiful baby yesterday. But if your vet says enough is enough. You have to do what is best for the hourse. I know how you feel about 'field ornaments' going to other places once they are of no use to their owner. When we thought Tiggy would survive, but as a field ornament, someone said to me 'where are you going to send her to so's she has a good home?'! I nearly choked. She had a good home, with me, the fact that I couldn't 'use her' would have been academic: before it sunk in how bad she was and that she wouldn't actually survive very long, I fully expected to see her in the field for the next twenty-odd years. Sorry, I've gone off at a tangent.

Do what's best for your horse and you. It's hard, either way it's hard, and it's the crappiest thing about caring for another creature that can't make the decisions for itself.
 
thanks for the guidance on naming positive companies - NFU have been my insurers for 7 years and i wouldn't go anywhere else now for horse insurance. They have been superb - i have sadly had 7 vet fee claims in 7 years with 3 horses, claiming well in excess of my premiums. They assess claims quickly and will pay the vets direct. They have allowed me to give my horses the best chance of returning to work and competition, although sadly the vets cannnot work miracles. I'm new to these forums...i normally spend my time with the horses. I do feel rather that her vet is giving up on her medically- i hope that is his voice of experience advising me. its just so sad to give up on a horse that had potential. I should give up for my sanity, however i feel morally obliged to do absolutely everything in my power to return the horse to health again. I had a Shetland put down 6 years ago after breaking a leg - i still feel a lump in my throat every time i look at his pic as i don't know for sure that i did make the right decision on that occasion. Although its different with this mare, he was a pet, she is a working animal. What i do know, is that many horse owners have gone through similar pain in losing beloved horses. If it were my other horse, who i adore, i would do everything to save her because i would breed from her as she has proved herself and has a fab temperament. This mare is different as she never really got the chance to prove herself fully and i have not bonded with her in the same way. perhaps i feel guilty as i would take a different course of action with my other mare.
 
Given what the mare's been through, her current state of health, the 50/50 'at best' prognosis of returning to full health, and your vet's apparent bias towards euthanasia, I think in your shoes I would be taking the admittedly difficult decision to have her put down. It's always much more painful with a young horse - you feel they haven't reached their potential - but they don't know that.

Whatever you decide, I hope it goes well for the mare.
 
Having had major surgery on a blood vessel in my head, I would go with your vet's recommendation of euthanasia.

Changing the low of blood in or out of the head can cause MAJOR PAIN, even when the operation is successful in sorting out the original problem. I suffered with BLINDING pain for 6 months after my operation.

I'm sure that you will make the decision with your head, rather than your heart, and do what is in your mare's best interests.
 
Im so sorry to hear your story. Massive (((((((((hugs))))))))). Im going through similar probs with my mare at the moment, having had sininisits since july 08 and not clearing despite 2x drains and on almost permanent bute and antibiotics. They dont really know what the cause is yet but is due to have sinus surgery soon. I am feeling that if she continues to be in pain and discomfort then i too also will be faced with the same decision to make as you.
Im not sure what I would do in your situation....sorry im not much help but i think either are strongly justifiable x
 
If she were my horse, at this stage after everything she has already been through I would be calling it a day. If there were a guarantee that if the surgery was successful, she would return to a pain free and useful life then I would give it a chance but it sounds as if you could go through the expense and trauma of surgery to still have all the other problems in place even if the vein is successfully operated on. It is an incredibly hard decision to make but from what you have written I don't believe operating would be in the best interests of either you or her.
 
many thanks to you all for your support - it really helps at this time. i have now got my head around euthanasia if that what the vet recommends. all the others at my yard are in favour of this decision as they have seen her day in, day out, not being a happy horse. I visited her yesterday and spoke to her vet. Although she appears brighter, her neck is still very swollen and she moves slowly and stiffly. The vet has decided to give her a full week on antibiotics to see how she responds before any decisions are made, so it will be the end of the week before we know our plan of action. She gets out grazing each day so at least she is leading a normalish week if its to be her last. Prettybay - i really hope your horse recovers, hopefully surgery will reveal the cause.
 
I'd go with the vet personally.

What a sad story
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Phew this has bought some memories back. My 21 year old mare had a massive infection in her nasal cavities and initially it presented as a swelling above her eye but she seemed ok in herself but slowly it became apparent she wasn't right and she started to have trouble eating she literally could crop grass but couldn't move her jaw to masticate. I took her to horsepital and she had various x-rays but nothing found. I took her home and for a while she improved when the swelling burst, it hadn't appeared painful but it was awful and she had the most awful smelling discharge coming from her nose. Vet came out and she went on very strong antibiotics and again seemed to improve for a day or so but I knew she wasn't a happy horse and each morning when I went down to see her she would have filled the bottom of her water bucket with pus. I hate to say this but she smealt of death. On the monday morning the swelling had got bigger and she was just not my beautiful girl (she the first pickie at the bottom of my page) and I knew what I needed to do. She was PTS that morning and when the vet sedated her to do the deed and she relaxed and the pus just poured out of her poor nose! Bless her heart I miss her so much but I know it was never going to get better and it was absolutely the right thing to do!
My heart goes out to you and your girl!
 
thank you all again for your kind thoughts. I visited Zola tonight - it was Sunday when i last saw her. I thought that she was definitely brighter and a little less stiff. She was back to her nippy self which i have concluded is her sense of humour as she had absolutely no reason to nip at me! I fed her lotsn of windfall apples and carrots which she gobbled up and then slabbered over me. The swelling has reduced slightly in her neck although a second abscess has formed higher up which is now draining out too - both are still very messy.
My vet discussed our options today with my insurers - they will not support a claim for humane slaughter at this stage as there are still treatment options, i.e. surgery. I was surprised at this given that my vet was favouring PTS. Anyhow, after a lengthy discussion, we decided to operate and give her every chance. I immediately felt a wave of relief and after seeing her a little brighter tonight, I think that we have made the right decision. All we can do is try. So, tomorrow morning under GA she will have the jugular vein and infected tissue removed - it irequires an incision the whole way down her neck. potential complications are the location of the carotid artery and extensive nerve plexi. Fingers crossed. She looked as if she had regained some fight for life tonight - either that or she was having a last nip at me for the hell of it!
 
Zola has had her operation and the vet reckons that there is a good chance it will be sucessful, so fingers crossed! She coped well with the general anaesthetic, came around well and was recovering in her stable when her vet called me. he hopes that she will be home within about 2 wks, so fingers crossed! Time will tell!
 
That's really good news, Julz! As one of those who thought she should probably be pts, I'd be delighted to be proved wrong - fingers and everything else crossed for her.
 
just an update if anyone is still following this thread. Zola is now back from the vets and turned out in a lovely big field with some brood mares for company. She seems comfortable although her neck is still swollen from the surgery. She is having 3 weeks off before I start to ride her again following the vets advice. Although that seems much sooner than i expected, we will give it a go!

thank you all for your kind thoughts and advice.
 
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