SJ rules re 4f error of course - past line of fence but without crossing tracks?

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Hi all. I cost us our first SJ win today - jumped clear in the 90cm (the sole clear) but had 4f given to me as I forgot where I was going and almost missed a fence - went past it but far enough to the side that I was able to come back and jump it without crossing my tracks. I queried the 4f and was told that although we hadn't crossed our tracks, we had gone past the line of the fence. A few spectators and other competitors came up to me to query why I'd been given 4f and they felt it was wrong, so it wasn't just me who didn't know this rule. Is it a BS rule? (this was a RC show). I don't have a BS rule book. I can't find it in the BE rule book.

On a positive note, we did manage to come 2nd. Still waiting for that elusive first win though... And I have had the worst week for making riding mistakes. Hopefully got them all out the way now?! :confused:
 
RC rule book states 'The following are considered disobediences and are penalised as such - A corrected deviation from the course' The first disobedience incurs 4 faults...

Rule SJ1.11.7

So they were indeed correct to give the faults.
 
Was probably treated as a runout/refusal to jump or else you got 4 time faults. If it was deemed that you addressed the fence but didn't complete then the faults sound correct
 
Ok thanks Britestar. Do you know how far you have to deviate from the course? Is there a definition of deviation from course in there? I have a tendency to take wiggly lines (nappy horse) so it would help to know where they draw the line...
 
Amage, they stated it wasn't time faults or a refusal, but technical 4f due to passing the line of the fence (subsequently corrected without crossing tracks). It does make sense as a rule, I just didn't know it until today :)
 
Was the show running under BS rules?? RC do have their own rules of which a few are very "special" :-) I would imagine that the deviation require for the rule above to be implimented would be at the discretion of the judges, which makes appealing it a complete waste of time and energy.

This shouldn't happen under BS rules because you need to cross your tracks, I know because I have done something similar and was able to get back to the fence without crossing my tracks and was given a clear, was in the JO and cost me the win because of the extra time
 
Deviation from the course will be
Passing the line of the fence you should be presented at. I think you will this find this is the same in all disciplines. BRC base their rules on those of the 'parent' society. So you'll get the same rules at BS.
 
Britestar said:
Deviation from the course will be
Passing the line of the fence you should be presented at. I think you will this find this is the same in all disciplines. BRC base their rules on those of the 'parent' society. So you'll get the same rules at BS.
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OK thank you! I didn't realise BRC had their own rules but I've now downloaded the rule book - there's some things in there I haven't seen before/didn't know about, which is really interesting. I never knew the rule about 6 seconds being added to your time of you refuse and knock a fence down! I think I've done that lots of times :) I don't suppose at low-level RC the 6 seconds makes much difference as I don't think they time rounds anyway. I think I saw that in the BS rule book too, yesterday.

So many rules to learn and remember! The one I fell foul of needs to have better awareness, as quite a few people at the same show didn't know about it. We know now though :p It's useful to know as if Bill starts to have a napping session in a round, I know to go sideways and to not let him get past the line of the fence. Yesterday's error was my fault though, and nothing to do with napping.
 
Britestar said:
Deviation from the course will be
Passing the line of the fence you should be presented at. I think you will this find this is the same in all disciplines. BRC base their rules on those of the 'parent' society. So you'll get the same rules at BS.
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Most of the rules are similar but there are significant differences, 2 refusals, elimination BS, 3 refusals BRC, BRC you are not allowed to wear the "new" BS show jackets, just two of the BRC rules that caused a problem in the area SJ that our club was running.

Like I said I definitely went past the line of the correct fence recently BS but had room to u turn back and present at the correct fence without crossing my tracks so therefore wasn't faulted, but then I've also jumped the wrong fence at BS and the judges haven't noticed LOL
 
Basically you have to stay straight on track or else you're penalised. You also have to keep moving forwards, you get given a refusal if you stop anywhere on the course (even nowhere near a fence).
 
MagicMelon said:
You also have to keep moving forwards, you get given a refusal if you stop anywhere on the course (even nowhere near a fence).
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I've fallen foul of that one. Horse shied at something at the side of the ring, ground to a halt, at least six strides from any fence, 4 faults. Sad times! I know now though :)
 
My horse did a perfect round apart from rearing by the gate, i got 4 faults for this which i assumed he'd stepped back or something but watching the video back he hadn't moved his feet so hadnt crossed tracks at all.
 
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