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Doing a bit of window shopping for my two next year. However the choice is boggling. Any suggestions?

My two are by Concorde so want to aviod this line.

First filly will make 15.2hh - 16hh. she is powerfull and for her current size (14.2 ish - im useless at guessing sizes when they small!) a decent jumper (already jumping out the field at 1.4m) and quick. overall nicely put togther, if im picky her neck, although very strong and well set on, is a bit short. in herself she is very very maturely built. Id imagin she'd make a good speed horse.

want height, power, length of stride in offspring.

The second will make 16.2-17h, lovely long floaty light paces, carefull neat compact jump. bit more nervy than the other. again decent conformation however her pasterns are on the longer side.

Would like to say price isnt an issue! but would think £1k would be about right - might push boat out a tad more for dream stallion. will want live foal terms.

Also is fresh or frozen better?
 
been looking at Billy Congo for the larger filly and Cevin Z for the little one. Anyone know much about their offspring and if they would compliment my two?
 
I have to much time on my hands. Going through BSJA rankings ive pulled out this lot:

For the little mare: Chairman, Give me Remus, Cevin Z (£800), Argento (£850), Randi(£400) and Chelthago (£800)
For the other: Kepi d'elle (£500), Billy Congo (£1000)

I also like Typhoon S but cant decide which mare he'd be best with, as little one has a few to chose from i guess he'd better get paired with the other!.

Any thoughts on these?
 
Hvl stud in Ireland have some lovely stallions also, they Have an Olympic stallion Vdl Orestud by Indoctro at £650 euro which is about £520 uk pound? Brendon have very good jumping stallions also the Billy stud.
 
Looking at prices I bought semen from the State Stud at Celle from a jumping stallion Comte who is producing winning youngstock in top shows and the cost was 600 Euros £120 p & p very good service the mare took first time also another mare with Don Henrico semen took first time. Order at 9 o/c it arrived at our local depot at 7.30 next day and the vet inseminated on his way to work before 9 o/c.
 
What are the mare's breeding more exactly? I know you said about the Concorde but what about the rest??

Brendon Stud's Caretino Glory is really starting to prove himself as a sire with his daughter Sussex Caretino being what most would happily agree, one of, if not the best, 6 yr old jumper in the country as she has won absolutely everything anyone could expect of her both as a 5 yr old and now as a 6 yr old. Don VHP Z also at Brendons could well suit your bigger mare especially and his progeny are becoming very sought after especially since he has started winning at GP level.

The Billy stallions are all superb boys and I have a real soft spot for Billy Mexico - a truly lovely tempered boy and very much like his sire but exactly as you would hope when breeding he is a generation on in terms of improvements.

Personally I wouldn't use Give Me Remus. Have seen some nice horses by him but amongst other reasons, his temperament IMO left a lot to be desired.

Lauriston is a stallion that shouldn't be overlooked. Top top level competitor himself his progeny are now also competing at the highest levels as well. Great temperaments and trainable horses too boot.

Another to consider who is superb if sometimes overlooked would be Handel II.
 
chacco blue, flipper d'elle, kalaska de semilly seen all three competing live, all very impressive, chacco techinique, flipper all heart, kalaska beautifull conformation and quality, olympic horse ridden by very small lady
 
eventrider23 said:
The Billy stallions are all superb boys and I have a real soft spot for Billy Mexico - a truly lovely tempered boy and very much like his sire but exactly as you would hope when breeding he is a generation on in terms of improvements.

Personally I wouldn't use Give Me Remus. Have seen some nice horses by him but amongst other reasons, his temperament IMO left a lot to be desired.
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We have had a Billy Congo foal this year and couldn't be more thrilled with him, he is out of a Holst mare with quite a bit of blood in her breeding, but foal looks a good sort and is built on springs!!!
We were fortunate to go to HOYS with William a few years ago when he was still jumping Cevin and saw first hand what a fantastic stallion he is, temp, movement and what a jump and now proving himself through his offspring.
As we live next door to the Funnells we have met all of the stallions regularly as they ride through our farm, all including the young ones are second to none, take a look at Billy Um Bongo he is a young son of Congo out of Peter Charles' great mare Orange Juice and I don't think will be standing at the fee he is for long. And then of course there is Mexico who is doing very well atm and seems to be throwing some amazing foals

Have to say also that I disagree with the Give Me Remus opinion above having met him several times and never found his temp and issue, however I am aware that he did have a bit of a reputation before going to Nick (so maybe a managment issue). We had a cracking foal by him out of the same mare last year and while yes he was spirited and probably won't be an amature horse (a real thinker, who needed ocupying) , he was a nice person and showed a great trainable temp.

Chairman. although I never met him, he stood at the same stud as Remus and we got to meet some of his progeny and they seemed lovely animals again willing to please and trainable.

Also think you would be wise to take a look at Don VHP at Brendon.

Hope this helps
 
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Contendro's stock are proving themselves. Codex1, Campino and Cheeky Calimbo all potentials for this Olympics. Others coming along Campbell, Eurocommerce Callahan are all now jumping at top level.
He himself is expensive at around 1700 euros, but Codex 1 looks interesting.
 
Thanks guys, next issue how do you choose?! lol

Can you tell me how to post pics/vids of my two in the hope that you might help me rule out some of the options? Then i can arrange to see the lucky chaps in the flesh at shows or stud viewings to make a final choice.

Im very much for having a foal with brains and flair, even if it takes a bit more handling as all my top horses were "quirky". I cant remember which one it was, but one of them left about 4ft over fences and was amazing behind, take to long in jump offs but if the vid was of 1st GP then extra bouce would be expected, but boy did he bounce and flounce, not 100% between the fences but kept the rhythm perfect.

Ps breeding is:
Tiny: Linebred to both Concorde (x2) and Joost (x2), also featuring Aramis, Quat'sous, Ramiro Z.
Cassie: linebred to concorde, plus Quat'sous, Ramiro Z, cordano z (capitol 1), sandro

And before someone says anything, yes i know they are both linebred, no i didnt do it, and no they dont have three heads but both some "something" which is why i brought them.

Any idea what they might be worth? they are not insured but i supposed they need to be.
 
You might want to avoid Don WHP as I'm pretty sure he is close up Voltaire blood , so therefore not one to cross with line bred Concorde fillies.

I think a good blood horse would be a good cross - perhaps something like Diammant de Semilly ?
I love the pure power and joy in Contender horses there are some fab stallions with this line
 
If you like them to be intelligent and don't mind them sometimes being on the sharp side i would definitely say look at Caretino Glory as his stock are very intelligent and talented.
 
Simsar said:
As we live next door to the Funnells we have met all of the stallions regularly as they ride through our farm, all including the young ones are second to none, take a look at Billy Um Bongo he is a young son of Congo out of Peter Charles' great mare Orange Juice and I don't think will be standing at the fee he is for long. And then of course there is Mexico who is doing very well atm and seems to be throwing some amazing foals

Hope this helps
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I did actualy like Mexico more than Congo, can i ask why you went with congo over mexico or bongo? isnt i best just to go for congo as he obviosuly throws some amazing top class horses, or is the Dams influence substanial in bongo and mexicos cases? I dont think i know anything about the Dams

Dont think Um Bongo made impression on me however will pop back for another look.
 
Have to admit that I think that the pics on the website for Um Bongo aren't great compared the others! I was merely saying that for a lesser fee you could get the next generation who hopefully will be more proven in a few years time. We went for Congo as he suited our mare the best, we have toyed with the idea of Mexico but as she is an older mare and has produced international horses time and again we decided to give her the best chance at doing so again and going with the proven boy Congo. It entirely depends on your mare and what suits her, Congo is more blood type than Mexico and ours although with some blood breeding close up is not a 'light' mare. We felt Congo suited her better as we also did with Remus who is also a small more blood type. I have seen several Congo babies and they have all had a bit of spark and a cracking jump, Wills backing rider showed us a video of a Congo 3 yr old loose jumping the other week and I have NEVER seen anything like it, the clearance and shape over the jump were phenomenal.

As I said these are just suggestions and in depends on your mare and your handling capabilities. :)
 
Hi there,

I seem to remember these mares before- are they the one's that are the result of using half brother and sister?- i.e both sire and dam by Concorde?

Sorry if not! If they are I am just very interested to see how they are and if you have noticed lots of similarities between the two.

I am quite interested in genetics personally.

Thanks
 
mellissa said:
Hi there,

I seem to remember these mares before- are they the one's that are the result of using half brother and sister?- i.e both sire and dam by Concorde?

Sorry if not! If they are I am just very interested to see how they are and if you have noticed lots of similarities between the two.

I am quite interested in genetics personally.

Thanks
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yes thats right, Concorde is the grandsire on both the sire and dam sides of Cassie, the grandsire and greatgrandsire of Tiny.

They are very chalk and cheese. Tiny has more blood and power and is more brainy than cassie, she is small and (to go) steel grey, whereas cassie has all the looks (flaxen chestnut), movement and is very carefull and neat over a fence. At 16.1 she looks like a massive yearling still whereas Tiny looks about 4 in maturity. Nope i cant any similarities as yet!
 
Both billy Congo and Kannan have Voltaire close up, as do most other Billy stallions, so I really.cant see how either of these stallions would be suitable for mares that are already heavily line bred to Voltaire?

As Concorde is by Voltaire himself.

Would be v cautious otherwise the offspring will be far too carefull to the point of lacking bravery- Voltaire is famous for producing horses like these- read any articles written about him
 
seabsicuit2 said:
Both billy Congo and Kannan have Voltaire close up, as do most other Billy stallions, so I really.cant see how either of these stallions would be suitable for mares that are already heavily line bred to Voltaire?

As Concorde is by Voltaire himself.

Would be v cautious otherwise the offspring will be far too carefull to the point of lacking bravery- Voltaire is famous for producing horses like these- read any articles written about him
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Yes your right i completly forgot. oh well thats Congo off the list, that also might explain Cassies neatness.

Anyones else thoughts on Handel? I cant find a video of him anywhere but he's supposed to have fab movement which he passes on? Tiny could do with this.
 
indiamy said:
What about Parco? This is a video of him jumping at Aachen in 2006: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zj9z3S7vW4&feature=related

Having seen him in the flesh at Hartpury earlier this year I thought he was really impressive. A super looking horse with just the sweetest temperament and producing super jumpers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=671wY7IoFYg&feature=relmfu Bufero who is, I believe, competing at the Olympics!!

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Think I prefer Bufero to Parco, got a bit more "something", might compliment Cassie
 
I can't find video of Handel anywhere either but he has got be arguably one of the most successful jumpers of his time for the UK but who has remained 'off radar' as a sire. He has a stallion son, Handel's Classic, who is unbelievable in action. I will always remember seeing him at the futurity as a 3 yr old and when he jumped the entire audience and the evaluators literally gasped...he ballooned again and again and was everything you could look for in a jumper. He is now competing on the young horse circuit in Europe and winning a lot as well.

Handel's website seems very out of date but what you can see of the progeny pictured is that he consistently throws super neat scopey jumpers as well. He has also sired a rather successful 3 star eventer in Ciao Mario and a few WH and Show hunters and so he is obviously throwing decent all round performers.
 
Have you thought about Berlin? He would add size and power to your little mare, and the offspring I have seen are lovely. This cross has also produced Eurocommerce Zurich, which is very highly thought of. If Berlin is too expensive then maybe one of his sons: Zanzibar is Berlin x Nabab de Reve?
 
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