Skinny Mare...Hows She Looking?? + HACK FROM HELL (Long Sorry)

My offer of help still stands too - I am very close by. As I offered last time, I am happy to help tidy the mare up, etc., and lend an ear/support. I have many contacts for all care issues that I am happy to pass on.

I think it has already been mentioned, but we have Blue Cross in Burford and they are always happy to help out in these matters too. Am not sure which vets the OP uses, but I am saddened to hear they cannot come out until next week, Bourton Vale come out on the day they are called, so maybe a change of vets would be a good idea too!

The good news is that the grass is finally growing, so hopefully this blip will pass swiftly and the OP will be better prepared next winter as she is now aware how much the mare drops off :)
 
If it were me I would bite Weezys hand off for the kind offer of help. Sometimes it's not always easy to see as clearly as others especially if you see the horse everyday. Good luck :)
 
Blimey - whatt an epic post sorry I havent read every response so sorry if I repeat other advice. My TB came backto me off loan in a similar conditon, I was livid, she had stressed her self into that state by being constantly stabled. The vet visited and checked teeth, wormed etc. then 3 months of living out with a good rug, gentle walk, then lunge, then ridden work, add lib haylage and 3 small meals of sugar beet, plain chaff and lucerne pellets along with a feed balancer with pre & pro biotics did the trick. Our mare was young though. Good luck wioth your girl
 
I do hope that the vet is made aware that this horse 'plays up' when ridden and checks her back along with other checks. I think it will be unlikely that this horse will be able to be ridden again tbh, she was sold as an unridden horse initially and I do wonder if this is what has caused a lot of the problems, that she was never physically capable of it for medical reasons/pain?

Whatever the outcome, I am delighted to hear that a vet will be attending and hope things look up for this mare soon.
 
Weezy said:
My offer of help still stands too - I am very close by. As I offered last time, I am happy to help tidy the mare up, etc., and lend an ear/support. I have many contacts for all care issues that I am happy to pass on.

I think it has already been mentioned, but we have Blue Cross in Burford and they are always happy to help out in these matters too. Am not sure which vets the OP uses, but I am saddened to hear they cannot come out until next week, Bourton Vale come out on the day they are called, so maybe a change of vets would be a good idea too!

The good news is that the grass is finally growing, so hopefully this blip will pass swiftly and the OP will be better prepared next winter as she is now aware how much the mare drops off :)
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To add to Binky/RushyJWeezy's generous offers- i am not far away and am a qualified Master Saddler- i would be very happy to refit/advise on saddle/bridle FOC in conjunction with other help ONCE/IF Lady is fit enough to return to work.
 
What a lot of lovely kind offers. Jadeyy is very lucky to have found so many people willing to help on here, I hope she takes them up.

It is easy enough to ensure that she is safe meeting up with people from a forum. If she meets in public (at her field when others are around) makes sure her parents know where she is going and who she is meeting (I'm sure all these posters will provide their full names) when she will be back, and arranges to make a couple of safety phone calls then she should be ok.

She could also take a friend, or relative with her for extra safety/support.
 
quirky said:
Plink!! That was the sound of the penny dropping :).

Do be careful. There was a poster on here (now banned) a while back who ended up not being as stupid and clueless as they made themselves out to be. This was after some kind forum member had been over to see them and advise them.

As it happens, no harm was done.
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Didnt' really want to post here but here goes...

OP how old are you? You sound young and naive (putting feed in coz every one else has) I am young and naive but I would like to think I was sensible enough to ask for help from a professional or hand this horse over to some whos actions and knowledge is better than some words on a forum where nobody knows you. I am beginning to think you own a horse for the status of it.

I know and understand money might be a problem but if you own a horse a vet comes with that responsability. As does farrier, decent feed and dentist.

I also think it was cruel to ride her in this condition. Take her out in hand if you want her to get out of the field. What worries me is she looks like my mare when I got her, shes put all her energy into putting on a coat to keep warm than put on weight, can I note three good feeds a day and she came back up bouncing nothing special nothing fancy just three feeds of alfa a oil, conditioning nuts, sugarbeet and some mineral powder. If you clipped her I bet she will look much worse and you will see her true underweight figure.

I feel that you have the advantage as this is either a complete scam and your winding genuine people up or you know that the horse charity world is struggling at the moment so by doing the bare minimum you can keep them and the RSPCA happy. The RSPCA will not do anything until this mare is on the floor or worse which is where it will go if don't take this seriously.

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That's what I mean, it's like being in a revolving door. We keep saying the same things, giving the same advice. It's all been said before so why repeat it? Maybe it would be an idea to wait a few days and see if the offers of help are taken up?
 
I was waiting for my questions to be answerd. If a nutritionist has been spoken with and if feed has been changed, then the OP would have no problem answering the questions i asked. The fact that she has not, ands that the people vouching for her have not either. Leave me feeling like the OP is just palming us off and is lying.

For those people here tryign to peace make, i hope you can live with the potential death of this mare on your conscious, if its turns out the op is lyeing.

Personally if i was one of these people on here who knew the location of the mare, i woudl of called out the ilph or something that would take notice. So that the horse is then being moniterd by someone who can take action if the horse is not seen to.

It all seems pretty backwards to me.

The op stated they had sorted the feed out, then spoke to a nutritonist, then sorted the feed out, then said they where going to worm, then get the vet out , and get the teeth seen . I feel that some of us have asked valid questions to the op and have not had a response. We are nto talkign abotu a 10 year old child here, we are talking about a 17 year old, she is practically an adult.
 
KingCharles said:
For those people here tryign to peace make, i hope you can live with the potential death of this mare on your conscious, if its turns out the op is lyeing.

Personally if i was one of these people on here who knew the location of the mare, i woudl of called out the ilph or something that would take notice. So that the horse is then being moniterd by someone who can take action if the horse is not seen to.

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Although I agree that there is a basis for concern, given the photographs of this poor mare, I do think that you are being a little ridiculous when you start talking about its potential death being on our conscience! This is a forum, and I certainly do not consider myself in any way responsible for other members' horses!
We have given the advice that this girl has asked for. It is now up to her what she does.
 
ruscara said:
Although I agree that there is a basis for concern, given the photographs of this poor mare, I do think that you are being a little ridiculous when you start talking about its potential death being on our conscience! This is a forum, and I certainly do not consider myself in any way responsible for other members' horses!
We have given the advice that this girl has asked for. It is now up to her what she does.
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not at all,
the peace makers are trying to tell us all to stop worrying and that they have faith in the op that the mare is now sorted. That we are wasting our time now worrying about it. However, whats to say that this mare is really getting the care she needs. There are possibly people here with the inclination to do what should of been done in the beggining and reported this mare to the relivent welfare charities. If the Op has nothing to hide, and really needs the help then they should welcome the help of a charity.

I urge those that know the location of the mare, to get the backing of a welfare organisation. Who will legally be able to help this mare if the Op is not forth comeing.
 
I am assuming you are referring to the people who have offered help on this forum? So let me reply as one of them.

Firstly I do not know the location of the mare.

Secondly the horse has been seen by the RSPCA who deemed her not to be at risk (so I can only take that as you would be happy now as a welfare professional has viewed the horse?)

Thirdly frankly get over yourself. That is like me accusing you of having a horse on your concience because you chose to put people off offering help on this forum.
 
KingCharles said:
not at all,
the peace makers are trying to tell us all to stop worrying and that they have faith in the op that the mare is now sorted. That we are wasting our time now worrying about it. However, whats to say that this mare is really getting the care she needs. There are possibly people here with the inclination to do what should of been done in the beggining and reported this mare to the relivent welfare charities. If the Op has nothing to hide, and really needs the help then they should welcome the help of a charity.

I urge those that know the location of the mare, to get the backing of a welfare organisation. Who will legally be able to help this mare if the Op is not forth comeing.
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Your comments are ridiculous.

This whole thread has been started because the RSPCA has been called on the OP, so the horse IS under the attention of a welfare organisation (reputation and knoweledge of welfare organisation is a different debate!)

As for the OP fobbing us off, maybe he/she is, who knows, but that doesn't mean that strangers on an internet forum will be responsible for the mare's death! The Op sought advice - got it - and its entirely THEIR responsibility to see that they act in the best interests of the mare.

By all means urge people who know the location to call a knowledgeable and proactive equine charity, but don't imply that anyone else is responsible for this mare. By law, if nothing else, the owner and keeper (if different) are responsible for this mare: not bystanders.
 
The mare in this condition is very likely to be suffering very badly from LICE they will strip weight off a horse in DAYS and continue stripping weight until they are killed! I have seen it on many many times in the past 25 years of being and working around horses this mares needs treatment.
 
Actually I think it IS our responsibility as a whole to ensure that the best possible outcome happens for this mare, if there is any question that action is not being taken then a good welfare organisation can step in where individuals on here can't. The RSPCA are quite frankly the last organistaion I would use where horses are concerned.

By not taking appropriate action in the first place then this mare is possibly being put at additional risk, and a genuine owner would want to work with a good organisation offering advice I would have thought instead of taking it as an insult.

By standing back and just watching if we know the whereabouts of this mare we are as guilty of ignoring her plight if nothing else.
 
JadeyyAndLadyy said:
Ok ill start lunging and working without riding :) I can't remember the name of the feed but it's some build up food for weight gain and top line. Also apple chaff, oil and plenty of hay :) oh and the patches of fur... I researched that she's been bitten by something and it's just gone dry and a bit flakey. Was a bit worse but completely healed now just tiny patches of missing fur which should get better
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i wouldnt even lunge her, just turnout in the day, in at night with a nice warm rug, ad lib hay/haylage of a good quality. when i got mine she was just like yous (except grey & hunted to within an inch of her life!) and she had time off till her back wasnt sore & saddle fitted better, turnout, as much hay as she could eat,m dengie alfa-a, alfa-beet (sugar beet but from alfalfa instead of lot of fizzy sugary stuff) and nuts which we just adjusted to a safe level for hre to gain weight nicely without being too full of it... as for the hack from hell, i would probably think about not trying it again till you get her a bit more substantial and then build up her work slowly once you have had her teeth and back checked ebcause this could be a reason contributing to her behaviour... and the one-person-mare thing that sounds just like mine :rolleyes:
good luck tho, shes definitley looking a bit more 'there' in the newer pictures! ;)
 
By standing back and just watching if we know the whereabouts of this mare we are as guilty of ignoring her plight if nothing else.
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I'm sure that if anyone does know the whereabouts of this mare wheels will have firmly be put in motion.
 
Firstly, I really do think we all need to calm down abit!

This horse isn’t exactly on deaths door, now is it?! yes I would say its condition is poor but I hardly think its going to keel over any minute.

I have actually PM'd Jadey and she is trying to take on board the advice given. that’s difficult for anyone to do when they are basically being publicly lynched, so lets give her some credit she’s a 17 year old girl, and taking all this flack and still coming on here and answering to people.

She is a young girl; we do not know how much support she is getting from her parents, in terms of getting vets out etc.

She is looking at different feed types; she has made some changes, weight gain WILL NOT happen over night. I do not care what anyone thinks, I loaned a horse that due to various reasons had lost a lot of condition and it takes MONTHs to get back, if you want the weight gain to be sensible and healthy.

I do not know her personally, but what has come across in her posts if you actually read them is that she is trying. She obviously cares otherwise she wouldn’t have bothered to seek out advice.

Plenty of people have posted on HHO over the last few months worried about there own ponies dropping condition, we have had a rubbish winter, grazing has been bad everywhere and I know loads of people that have had issues keeping weight on poor doers.

Jadey has recognised a problem before its got any worse. She is attempting to solve those problems.

The RSPCA is aware; we know this from previous posts so I’m sure they will keep an eye to mare so no one needs worry too much.

If we continue to judge and attack young and inexperienced horse owners they will not come here for advice. simple.
If people do not feel they can ask for help, because they fear they will be attacked/judged, then they will simply continue in ignorance, and then we really will have horses deaths on our consciences.


These comments are not directed at anyone, just my thoughts on the matter
 
after reading further information, im very pleased for you to come here and ask for advice, a lot of people can be very judgemental and have been very harsh with regards to you and your mare. i would definitley say that the mare is in poor condition, and this is a very big learning curve for you, i can see exactly where youre coming from as my (first) horse, 7 when we bought her, was in this way when we took her on. i understand its difficult with little knowledge behind you and little financial support, but the vet need to check her over, take a blood test and so on, she needs her teeth doing and no work at all. your vet will be happy to give you advice, and it will probably be a bit more than we can give you as he will see her in the flesh, so it important you listen to him. its also importamnt that she ahs plenty of warm, water prrof rugs, haylage and food, if you give spillers or anothe rfeed company a phone call theyre often happy to give advice on products and feed, and if all goes well then you will definitley have a friend for life. shes not exactly a golden oldy so remember to be prepared for underlying issues as to why she could be like this
i really wish you guys the best of luck, im sure she will be ok and i think you must be incredibly brave to come here for advice, the comments from some people have been extraordinarily unhelpful in every way imaginable so i do urge you to ignore these and listen to the people who mean well and are trying to help you =]
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