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ROMANY 1959

ROMANY 1959

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awww those puppies are beautiful :D

Oh and no such thing as a cockerpoo ... they are just mongrels .. adorable all the same but still only crossbreds ;)
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
A mongrel is a dog of unknown parentage..or a varying mixture. A crossbreed is a dog with two pedigrre parents of differ breeds ;)
Very cute though ♥♥♥
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Agreed although your splitting hairs BUT no such thing as a cockapoo and having seen what people charge for them just makes my eyes water, lol :p
 
Lovely pics OP, your horse looks like I feel in this heat!
As for cockerpoos, I'm all for them personally, there's so much in-breeding in pedigree dogs these days, some of them can barely function at all.
A bit of judicious crossing will probably produce much healthier, happier animals and who could resist those pups?
 
Hollybear that's just not the case - there is inbreeding of all dogs, or rather poor breeding from untested unproven parents. Its happenning just as much now with the crossbreeds - and it's not the case that crossbreed dogs are necessarily more healthy - how can a labradoodle for example from two potential hip dysplasia risk parents (quite possibly untested as no regulation of breeding as labradoodle isn't a breed) be guaranteed to be healthier than my pedigree dog (not a poodle or Labrador) who comes from generations of extremely low hip scored parents?! Or, how can you ethically cross a pug (a breed known for breathing problems) with another snub nosed breed such as the cavalier, to create the 'pugalier' and claim its going to be more healthy than a pure breed?
The puppies are gorgeous and I do agree that they are crossbreed rather than mongrel but actually would argue that a genuine mongrel is far likelier (due to the process of natural selection) to have what is often attributed to the designer crossbreeds - aka 'hybrid vigour'
Sorry, this just gets me wound up as there is so much breeding for money these days not considering the welfare of the dogs - and it's just as bad with crossbreeds as the more popular pedigrees :(
 
ecrozier said:
Hollybear that's just not the case - there is inbreeding of all dogs, or rather poor breeding from untested unproven parents. Its happenning just as much now with the crossbreeds - and it's not the case that crossbreed dogs are necessarily more healthy - how can a labradoodle for example from two potential hip dysplasia risk parents (quite possibly untested as no regulation of breeding as labradoodle isn't a breed) be guaranteed to be healthier than my pedigree dog (not a poodle or Labrador) who comes from generations of extremely low hip scored parents?! Or, how can you ethically cross a pug (a breed known for breathing problems) with another snub nosed breed such as the cavalier, to create the 'pugalier' and claim its going to be more healthy than a pure breed?
The puppies are gorgeous and I do agree that they are crossbreed rather than mongrel but actually would argue that a genuine mongrel is far likelier (due to the process of natural selection) to have what is often attributed to the designer crossbreeds - aka 'hybrid vigour'
Sorry, this just gets me wound up as there is so much breeding for money these days not considering the welfare of the dogs - and it's just as bad with crossbreeds as the more popular pedigrees :(
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I agree with everything you say ecrozier, but if you re-read my post you will see that I say JUDICIOUS breeding, ie between animals that do NOT have the characteristic problems of certain breeds and are likely to produce healthy pups.

It is, however, a fact that with a very narrow gene pool, you are more likely to encounter inherited problems, whereas if you increase the size of the gene pool by cross-breeding, you will dilute that tenancy somewhat.
 
Oh my goodness all this serious debating over a litter of lovely puppies, they are from pedigree mum and dad if it makes any difference, and I think they are so so cute, good natured and also don't shed so allergy sufferers could have one... They are all off to new homes weekend.
Please just enjoy cute pictures no more bitching about ethics... Please..xx
 
Agreed hollybear - and breeding with a limited gene pool is a bad idea in any circumstances :) Which is great as you clearly understand the pitfalls of breeding - just winds me up as so many people don't. However best we don't continue this discussion here as its not a post for that I guess - OP, apologies for the digression, just seems a shame to me that so many people seem to believe the myths about designer breeds being healthier than pedigrees. Anyway, I'll step away now. They are very cute puppies and I'm sure will be lovely dogs.
 
hollybear said:
Lovely pics OP, your horse looks like I feel in this heat!
As for cockerpoos, I'm all for them personally, there's so much in-breeding in pedigree dogs these days, some of them can barely function at all.
A bit of judicious crossing will probably produce much healthier, happier animals and who could resist those pups?
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Depends on the breeder and is untrue for many breeders with a brain :)

ROMANY 1959 said:
Oh my goodness all this serious debating over a litter of lovely puppies, they are from pedigree mum and dad if it makes any difference, and I think they are so so cute, good natured and also don't shed so allergy sufferers could have one... They are all off to new homes weekend.
Please just enjoy cute pictures no more bitching about ethics... Please..xx
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Don't shed? Sorry, you can't know that til they're older, the non shedding element doesn't necessarily get passed down, that is a myth which STILL needs to be exploded. :)
 
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