Small rant... Palominos are NOT coloured!!

I don't really see the issue with having different types in the same class- good confo and movement is good confo and movement whatever it is attached to surely?

And has to be easier than the driving champs at the new forest show that included a donkey....
 
I wonder what would happen if I entered a chubby Shetland Pony into a Working Hunter Heavyweight class.

Carnage would be my first thought closely followed by hysterical laughter and then elimination!

Coloured's to me are Pie/Skewbald. Everything else is quite simply everything else. I've been to enough shows to now know that there are simply ribbon hoggers all over the place and will enter every single class, applicable or not! I personally don't care but I do feel sorry for the judges/organisers.
 
Coloured classes, to me, are anything that is bred for its colour, so CHAPS types and palominos would fall into that category. It should be judged on how good an example of that colour the horse is, it should be easy to judge a class with a mixture, IMO. But then showing doesn't often follow logic or reason!
 
The show I went to yesterday had a Fjord competing inhand. He was an Uls dun ( or white dun) with the primitive stripes. He was beautiful! There were actually as many classes there for him to enter as there would have been for my native.
I think he was entered in Best Condition, Coloured/ odd coloured, Driving type and Foreign breeds.
 
slightly off topic but I wish judges would treat the obviously incorrect entries accordingly. I know local shows are supposed to be all inclusive and encouraging and all that but thigs like placing coloured traditionals complete with flowing manes and tails in a hunter class sends out the wrong messages and discourages other competitors

I'm still smarting from my well bred sec A standing down the line from a skewbald Dartmoor Hill Pony in a strictly for registered ponies M&M class so maybe I'm a bit over critical of incorrect entries but even months later I cant figure out how that happened!
 
WelshD said:
I'm still smarting from my well bred sec A standing down the line from a skewbald Dartmoor Hill Pony in a strictly for registered ponies M&M class so maybe I'm a bit over critical of incorrect entries but even months later I cant figure out how that happened!
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Ha ha, a skewbald Dartmoor! Not colour-related but I remember being told by the judge on entering the ring in a M&M ridden class that I was in the wrong class as my pure bred reg Welsh D was 15.2hh and not a pony?! I told her he was registered and totally pure (and had won many a M&M class!) so she let me continue but even after a lovely show we were placed right near the bottom beneath ponies who could barely canter and were PLAITED!! She obviously still felt we weren't eligible for the class or something, bizarre. Some judges shouldn't be judges! It's just annoying when you pay the entry fee to be judged correctly.
 
I used to have a dappled silver dun (I think that's the right name) highland. Chocolate with silver dapples and silver mane and tail. At a county show in large breeds M&M I was asked to leave the ring by a judge as 'Haflingers are not eligible for M&M' I was livid!!!!!! This was in the days before you had to take passports everywhere. I decided there was no point arguing as judge obviously wasn't going to like my pony so politely told her that she didn't have enough knowledge to be judging the class and asked to secretary for a refund. Luckily the show was local.
 
Completely random but I have just been viewing an online image gallery for a coloured inhand class at a local show and the horses/ponies I encountered were as follows;

A bay and white tobiano traditional (no complaints there), a minimally marked black dun tobiano, a buckskin, a palomino Shetland, a Fjord, a grey Welsh A (which had nothing that screams it used to be a coloured before greying out) and finally... a black Shetland.
 
MagicMelon said:
Ha ha, a skewbald Dartmoor!
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Dartmoor Hill Pony ;) they often are coloured as it was introduced to try and make them more saleable/worth a bit more than a fiver. Though not a breed per se (same as quantock ponies) some do enter them in M+M locally (ie not far from dartmoor/quantocks) if they don't know any better, though the DHP do get their own classes at some shows too.
 
As a judge the coloured classes are something like 60% judged on their colour so conformation and movement come a lot further down the list. I agree however that it is very hard to ignore a minimally marked horse with superb conformation and movement over a roughly put together but pretty patterned hill pony
 
windand rain said:
As a judge the coloured classes are something like 60% judged on their colour so conformation and movement come a lot further down the list. I agree however that it is very hard to ignore a minimally marked horse with superb conformation and movement over a roughly put together but pretty patterned hill pony
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Can I just say this is not true judging of coloured classes is not based on colour at all. For ridden it should be judged 50% ride, manners and way of going; 50% type and conformation. For Inhand it should be judged 60% conformation, correctness to type and movement; and 40% manners and way of going. This is from The CHAPS rulebook.
 
SmallHunter said:
Can I just say this is not true judging of coloured classes is not based on colour at all. For ridden it should be judged 50% ride, manners and way of going; 50% type and conformation. For Inhand it should be judged 60% conformation, correctness to type and movement; and 40% manners and way of going. This is from The CHAPS rulebook.
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Agree. I also think it can be incredibly difficult to read a coloured horse's conformation accurately - sometimes I find that a busy coloured horse has quite glaring conformation flaws which are hidden surprisingly well!
 
windand rain said:
As a judge the coloured classes are something like 60% judged on their colour so conformation and movement come a lot further down the list. I agree however that it is very hard to ignore a minimally marked horse with superb conformation and movement over a roughly put together but pretty patterned hill pony
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No, sorry but in a ridden class especially I'm not going to put up a well marked animal that isn't as good a mover under saddle nor as well put together as it should be just because it's pretty! No matter what colour a horse is, it still has to be sound/likely to stay sound (conformation) and be rideable to have a career...

In the class mentioned above tbh colour only came into it when I had to make a decision between 2 equally good horses as to which one came above the other - as far as I was concerned, colour was only the criteria for entry into that class.

Even in hand classes should be taking manners and handling into account...yes, I've also judged Welsh Cob classes and put unruly stallions down the line :) I've shown in those classes and been very rude to other exhibitors when they've tried to use my (very) lively but well mannered stallion to front off theirs.
 
Last few seasons my pet hate has been the plaited show ponies in M&M being placed infront of correctly turned out M&Ms, badly behaved horses/ponies not being marked down, stallions and geldings/mares in same class, kids in trainers judging classes and unfairly placing their mates and please somebody tell me whats with the brightly coloured skinny jeans and trainers that tonnes kids are wearing for inhand classes lately???

I dont get the paly in a coloured class either! :/
 
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MagicMelon said:
What I don't get is when they lump all types in together like the class I did yesterday - "coloured" class so half of us in the class had sport horse type coloureds and the others were gypsy cob types. How can you judge such totally different types?

What I wonder is, with my one - she's fading out, so she was born skewbald but her patches have now faded to a faded blue colour. If she loses the blue completely she would then look totally white. Her passport says she is coloured though so would she still be eligible...? I dont really get coloured classes, think I might stick to the other normal ones that I do understand!
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Yes you could still show as a coloured as genetically that's what he is.
Coloureds that have greyed out are classes as historical coloureds.
 
Sorry I must have been misinformed by a coloured, panel judge I bow to your better knowledge and admit I was wrong. The person in question told me she didnt like unevenly marked horses and as 60% of marks were for colour they were placed down the line if uneven Criteria she was working too was quality of colour over all other things. It was a conversation held at the show when I asked her about her choices. I was judging M&M in another ring and I am certainly no expert on coloured classes. So again I apologise for being wrong
 
I have to say that I have always found this very strange and do agree with you. The way that some class's are put together are very strange. I entered my girl into the Best Black and stood along side me were Brown Chestnut Bay and Palomino Horses along with the Blacks I found this very odd but we did win so was not too put out lol
 
windand rain said:
Sorry I must have been misinformed by a coloured, panel judge I bow to your better knowledge and admit I was wrong. The person in question told me she didnt like unevenly marked horses and as 60% of marks were for colour they were placed down the line if uneven Criteria she was working too was quality of colour over all other things. It was a conversation held at the show when I asked her about her choices. I was judging M&M in another ring and I am certainly no expert on coloured classes. So again I apologise for being wrong
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Maybe they were referring to best coloured / markings classes.
CHAPS run these classes and they are judged solely on the best colour/markings.
All other CHAPS classes totally ignore colour. It isn't even referred to on the judging cards.
Very odd though a panel judge thinking that.
 
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