smoking in a stable yard - Grrr!!

[Shooting Star]

... so on my mission to find a new horse I went to a reputable dealers to view a horse today.

Groom / rider comes out with tack & cigarette in mouth then proceeds into horses stable and tacks up still with it lit!!!

OMG, just didn't know what to say, just stood there with my mouth wide open a little like this >> !!

Having been at two separate yards where there have been huge fires -one caused by the owners stupidity resulting in 6 stables burnt to the ground & 2 barns and several more stables severley damaged (fortunately everybody ok) and one by spontaneous combustion of an 80 ton hay stack which was contained by the fire services just feet before destroying stables, I'm just gob smacked why on earth anybody would take the risk

really annoyed with myself now for not saying anything!!!

 

[wattamus]

we have people like that at our yard, luckily the majority of them are quite good, and smoke away from the horses. but i remember i went down one time and i found cig butts in my horses stable. I was fuming! had a go at everyone who smoked and made it clear that if it happened again there would be serious repercussions. it hasnt happened since. i can be quite moody when i want to be

 

[FionaM12]

That's so astonishingly stupid and irresponsible. I'm glad to say I've never seen anyone smoking on our yard, I think the YO would just boot them out.

I know that feelingly of wishing you'd spoken up. Often wished I had, in various situations.

Mind you, there are also many times I wish I'd kept my mouth shut!

 

[ClassicG&T]

we do have one smoker on the yard but she either has one before she comes to yard or goes round the side near trailer park well out of the way to have a smoke. She never ever ever comes near the yard.

There is also another smoker who will smoke in the car or not at all when at the yard and its forbidden around the yard as there is a huge hay barn next to stables (has to get emptied in summer)

 

[5horses2dogsandacat]

I used to be on a yard where people would smoke in a bit between the hay barn and stables.. we're talking about 1-2metres between them.

Disgusting habit and even more so if on a yard. Shouldnt been seen and Im glad they are bringing more restrictions on smoking, sorry but would you purposely put your hand in fuel then light it? No, So why smoke and do untold damage to you lungs, yes you get the lucky ones that can hack up the flem and live with black and unhealthy lungs, but those people are just lucky. Why risk the severe and often very painful consequences.

 

[Shooting Star]

it just scares me stupid seeing people smoking anywhere near stables, you always think it could never happen to you but after seeing the reality - and thank god without anybody getting hurt, you just realise how extremely vunerable you are

both times we were "lucky" and the fires started mid-morning, if they hadn't ignited at a time of the day when people were on the yard and most horses in the fields i dread to think what would have happened <<shudders>>

 

[Damnation]

I smoke. But away from the horses and away from the stables/anything flammible.
It does often mean its in the middle of the yard (outdoors) but there is generally only me there and sometimes the YO. I have asked her if she is ok with me smoking around her if she is on the yard (she is fine with it) and I certainly do NOT dump my butts. I will put them back in my packet then throw them away when I get home.
I do try to keep away from everyone. But if they come up to me then well tough, if they hated smoking they could wait 5 mins, I'm not in their way!

ETA: Going into a stable with a lit cigarette.. omg are they stupid Shavings, hay, all manner of easily flammible things Way to give a good impression when showing someone a horse not to mention the risks

 

[**Vanner**]

Ridiculous! how dangerous?

At our yard the smokers have to smoke in the car park which is a good 30m from the nearest building YO would do his nut if people where any closer.

 

[M_G]

Shouldnt been seen and Im glad they are bringing more restrictions on smoking, sorry but would you purposely put your hand in fuel then light it? No, So why smoke and do untold damage to you lungs, yes you get the lucky ones that can hack up the flem and live with black and unhealthy lungs, but those people are just lucky. Why risk the severe and often very painful consequences.

Have you ever heard the word tolerance??? just because you dont smoke does not mean no one should smoke or indeed have the right to smoke and before you ask no I dont smoke but I am all for equal rights.

Smokers are being treated like second class citizens *shakes head*

 

[Jesstickle]

Have you ever heard the word tolerance??? just because you dont smoke does not mean no one should smoke or indeed have the right to smoke and before you ask no I dont smoke but I am all for equal rights.

Smokers are being treated like second class citizens *shakes head*

/\/\/\ This. And I don't smoke either! Never have. If you're going to let people drink then you really ought to let them smoke too. It's entirely up to the individual if they want to or not.


And we have smokers on our yard. They don't smoke in hay barns but they smoke on the great expanses of concrete we have. I don't really have a problem with it tbh. As long as they are responsible and don't flick cigarette butts into piles of hay, what actually is the problem?

 

[micramadam]

You lot would have a heart attack if you kept your horses over here.
A lot of the Dutch are very heavy smokers and smoking on the stable yard seems to be the norm . It stresses me out as I think of what can happen if someone is careless but they don't seem to think its a problem.
But then again they have a very lax view on safety anyway, a lot of them don't wear caps even when hacking and in the summer footwear is, well shall we say, leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Moggy in Manolos]

I and others will smoke out in our cars in the car park, would not dream of doing it in a stable,YO would not allow it either. Though I must quit again soon but it has been a god awful year for me and I just did not want to pressure myself to give up just yet

 

[animal]

I used to be on a yard where people would smoke in a bit between the hay barn and stables.. we're talking about 1-2metres between them.

Disgusting habit and even more so if on a yard. Shouldnt been seen and Im glad they are bringing more restrictions on smoking, sorry but would you purposely put your hand in fuel then light it? No, So why smoke and do untold damage to you lungs, yes you get the lucky ones that can hack up the flem and live with black and unhealthy lungs, but those people are just lucky. Why risk the severe and often very painful consequences.

Statistic: 100% of non-smokers die. What a lecture!

Agree with the others totally who have quoted you, entitled to your own opinion but there are plenty worse things people do than smoke.
I don't think many smokers have smoke in stables tbh, afew do just ruin it for everyone else.

Did you see whether the YO had a designated area sign thing? Some yards don't, which is really stupid and just makes people slack on stuff like that.

People should not smoke in stables though, just totally irresponsible, the risks just are too high. What's wrong with taking 2 mins out of your time to smoke away from hay etc?!
Anyone seen the Black Beauty film where the stables catch fire? *shudders*

 

[5horses2dogsandacat]

Have you ever heard the word tolerance??? just because you dont smoke does not mean no one should smoke or indeed have the right to smoke and before you ask no I dont smoke but I am all for equal rights.

Smokers are being treated like second class citizens *shakes head*

Equal rights? You and others are having a go at me for expressing my opinion on smoking, where are my rights there then? now Im learning more and more about the effects of smoking, I just cant get my head round why people want to do it. Ive smoked a lot in the past, so im not a person whos never tried it and just voicing a weak opinion on it.

The costs to the NHS are huge thanks to smokers and Id rather put the money helping people who did nothing wrong in life fight cancer than people who knew what they were doing seeing as its now 100% proven that smoking can damage your health even just a couple a week, but still go a head and light up anyway.

Smokers are far from second rate citizens, in fact the people who do smoke treat us non-smokers like that as we have to put up with passive smoking, in the past when it was allowed in pubs and pay taxes towards your health treatment when the effects eventually catch up with you. Just because you have a 'right' to smoke, never mind what the professionals, the ones who have studied for years, and given their life to it think.

I didnt say DONT SMOKE, I just gave my person opinion on it.

And Animal.... I cant believe you used the line, 'we all die in the end' well done you obviously listen carefully in school. Id rather die through an unfortunate mishap or in natural ways, than possibly shortening my life and hammering away at my body, because 'I have a right to smoke'

If you all decide to have a go at me for voicing an opinion, then surely all these posts about people getting narky because people dont like the advice or opinion of others are clearly very much true. Im not telling you not to smoke, just an opinion, like others express an opinion on horses. If we can't give an opinion in life, whats the point of even having a forum? Its just purely people wanting to dictate to others in life what they can and cant think, and that my horse chums is what narks me off the most.. The little Starlin's and Hitler's of the modern 21st Century.

 

[MerrySherryRider]

Smoking in a stable is pretty irresponsible, just as daft as clipping without a power breaker.
Smoking away from stables and barns is fine, but its up to the YO. Their place, their rules. However, I've never liveried or visited a yard where smoking in designated areas has been banned, although, apparently there are some, I'm told.

 

[Shantara]

Yuk yuk yuk! Vile habit. I detest drinking and smoking. No one smokes at my yard and would be swiftly escorted off the premises, if they did.
I can't fathom why people want to do it. It's not big, it's not clever and doesn't make you look cool.
I find it the definition of bad manners to light up in the company of someone who doesn't. I would never approach anyone who's smoking either, unless I needed them right that instant. It's one thing to smoke in front of a person, who can walk away or ask you to stop...but in a stable?!

As I'm sure you can tell, smoking and drinking are something I don't particularly like

 

[Equinus]

I think the issue here is smoking on the yard, not smoking in general.

I have recently left a yard, one of the reasons being smokers on the yard. It was a small yard of four stables, a narrow strip of concrete and an open hay and straw store....right outside my horse's stable. There were two smokers, with spouses, who walked around with rollies, which are notorious for losing their burning ends. Which is bad enough, but when I turn up and one is filling a haynet with a fag in mouth that is too much! There was a portacabin available.

I was a smoker for many years, but quit after seeing both parents die horrible slow deaths due to smoking related diseases. But I like to think I was responsible and only had a quick one in the car if absolutely necessary.

I think there may be issues with insurance if there was a fire and smoking was allowed on the yard. Someone may correct me.

 

[5horses2dogsandacat]

I think the issue here is smoking on the yard, not smoking in general.

You are right, I just dont like being told people have a right and freedom to do what they like then get blasted for using my right to have freedom of speech and opinion and just have to sit there and take it.

Anyone who even dreams of smoking in or within a close proximity of a stable yard really needs their head checking..

 

[JFTDWS]

/\/\/\ This. And I don't smoke either! Never have. If you're going to let people drink then you really ought to let them smoke too. It's entirely up to the individual if they want to or not.

I don't smoke, it's a vile habit in my opinion but I don't see that my opinion is any reason to stop people doing it or berate them for it. We're all going to die anyway, and we all take risks, drving, drinking, getting on our horses Drinking's just as bad, possibly worse, but I do that, so I can't complain

Smoking in a stable is madness, on a yard away taking sensible precautions (i.e. not standing in the hay barn etc) I don't see the problem. Nobody smokes on my yard though. Mostly because it's just me and my horses

 

[Pedantic]

Enshrine of Tools.

 

[misterjinglejay]

My YO smokes in the stables :O ; I smoke but in the designated area away from the stables.

 

[5horses2dogsandacat]

I don't smoke, it's a vile habit in my opinion but I don't see that my opinion is any reason to stop people doing it or berate them for it. We're all going to die anyway, and we all take risks, drving, drinking, getting on our horses Drinking's just as bad, possibly worse, but I do that, so I can't complain

Smoking in a stable is madness, on a yard away taking sensible precautions (i.e. not standing in the hay barn etc) I don't see the problem. Nobody smokes on my yard though. Mostly because it's just me and my horses

You are right in the fact what you have said is we all take risks in life. I think many of the risks you have mentioned though are risks that we can sometimes control the extent of... if you drive like a loon you're at a much higher risk of crashing, if you ride your horse without a helmet; risk increased.

Drinking can be just as bad, but it is the amount of drinking and how you drink. drink a bottle of whiskey for year and years and your liver will shrivel and die... Binge drink so your paralytic.. risk of drowning in your own vomit, possible. Drink a glass of red wine a night, can actually have positive effects on your body. I think with drinking it is about moderation, smoking whether you have one a day or 100 will always be harmful .

Im not generally opinionated... its just smoking and also riding without a helmet that get me a little wound up... my opinions though

 

[ester]

smoking whether you have one a day or 100 will always be harmful .

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just to be pedantic but not entirely true,
http://www.livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

 

[minkymoo]

Equal rights? You and others are having a go at me for expressing my opinion on smoking, where are my rights there then? now Im learning more and more about the effects of smoking, I just cant get my head round why people want to do it. Ive smoked a lot in the past, so im not a person whos never tried it and just voicing a weak opinion on it.

The costs to the NHS are huge thanks to smokers and Id rather put the money helping people who did nothing wrong in life fight cancer than people who knew what they were doing seeing as its now 100% proven that smoking can damage your health even just a couple a week, but still go a head and light up anyway.

Smokers are far from second rate citizens, in fact the people who do smoke treat us non-smokers like that as we have to put up with passive smoking, in the past when it was allowed in pubs and pay taxes towards your health treatment when the effects eventually catch up with you. Just because you have a 'right' to smoke, never mind what the professionals, the ones who have studied for years, and given their life to it think.

I didnt say DONT SMOKE, I just gave my person opinion on it.

And Animal.... I cant believe you used the line, 'we all die in the end' well done you obviously listen carefully in school. Id rather die through an unfortunate mishap or in natural ways, than possibly shortening my life and hammering away at my body, because 'I have a right to smoke'

If you all decide to have a go at me for voicing an opinion, then surely all these posts about people getting narky because people dont like the advice or opinion of others are clearly very much true. Im not telling you not to smoke, just an opinion, like others express an opinion on horses. If we can't give an opinion in life, whats the point of even having a forum? Its just purely people wanting to dictate to others in life what they can and cant think, and that my horse chums is what narks me off the most.. The little Starlin's and Hitler's of the modern 21st Century.

Riiiight. I smoke (shock horror!) but I don't drink. Do I lecture people who cost the NHS hundred of thousands because they choose to drink until they get cirrhosis of the liver? or beat their wives/husband/children because they have had too much to drink? or those that get in a car and kill people because they've had 1 too many but think they'll 'be alright' or those that drink themselves into a stupor until they have to have their stomach pumped?

nope. but as long as they don't smoke, this is alright. I hate that you accuse people of being "Starlin's and Hitler's" (fyi it is Stalin) when you clearly cannot see the bigger picture. With the smoking ban being in place it is less of an issue than drinking. You are being a total hypocrite and it is really annoying.

99% of the smokers I know who ride don't smoke on or near their horses, but there is always 1 idiot - just like those who ride without a hat.

 

[5horses2dogsandacat]

Riiiight. I smoke (shock horror!) but I don't drink. Do I lecture people who cost the NHS hundred of thousands because they choose to drink until they get cirrhosis of the liver? or beat their wives/husband/children because they have had too much to drink? or those that get in a car and kill people because they've had 1 too many but think they'll 'be alright' or those that drink themselves into a stupor until they have to have their stomach pumped?

nope. but as long as they don't smoke, this is alright. I hate that you accuse people of being "Starlin's and Hitler's" (fyi it is Stalin) when you clearly cannot see the bigger picture. With the smoking ban being in place it is less of an issue than drinking. You are being a total hypocrite and it is really annoying.

99% of the smokers I know who ride don't smoke on or near their horses, but there is always 1 idiot - just like those who ride without a hat.

Once again TOTALLY missing my point... I am being dictated too because I have an opinion on smoking and people havent liked it and told me I am wrong for saying such things, therefore not allowed to voice my opinion... hence the Stalin (sorry big whoops spelt it wrong clutching at straws there I think.. ) and Hitler comment... People feel they can dictate what I can and cant say when Im giving a plain, old and MY own opinion!! What of that cant you understand?? NEVER did I once say 'Do not smoke you disgusting creatures, go back to the 50's when it was acceptable' I was just expressing my thoughts, whether people chose to read, acknowledge or do whatever with what I said.

Good Lord... If i was being a hypocrite, I would have been a massive smoker all my life stopped then turned round and barraged people with abuse for doing the on thing I had done. But I havent.

Im only annoying because you dont like what i am saying and I am standing up for myself, not crumbling in the corner rocking. I've been bullied enough in my life to actually speak out and stand up for myself and know Im allowed my own voice and my own thoughts..


Anyway... I am holding no grudges or hard feelings, this is a forum, a mixture of opinions will always come out. Im happy if everyone else is

 

[Dunlin]

^^^ Very well said!

I am a smoker (oh gawd, hang me). The difference is there are responsible smokers and there aren't, there are also considerate smokers and those that aren't.

I don't "inflict" my smoking on other people. If I want a cigarette I will wander off somewhere where no-one is near me. I have smoked at yards but I only had one in my lunch break which was spent in the gravel car park where there were benches and ashtrays, quite a few smoked and no-one ever smoked on the yard itself because surprisingly we were all sensible.

Smoking may indeed be a vile habit but so is sneezing and spraying someone with your germ ridden snot because you don't cover your face! We all have issues with other peoples habits that we don't like but there's no need to start a full blown handbag war over it, life's too short whether you smoke or not so let's just all enjoy it in our own ways

 

[beeswax]

You say it costs the NHS £££'s because of those who smoked and had illnesses due to smoking, so now the NHS has fatties who gave up smoking and smokers so it is costing them more £££'s and if us smokers stop smoking altogether then where is your govt going to get its VAT from to pay for those that are too ill to work because of ...........!! I have yet to hear of domestic violence due to one partner smoking but I sure as hell have seen a lot of domestic violence because one or both partners were drinkers.......!! Anyway each to their own but smoking in the stable yard is unacceptable and the OH should have said something if only to alert the YO to how dangerous smoking is around stables.

 

[animal]

Equal rights? You and others are having a go at me for expressing my opinion on smoking, where are my rights there then? now Im learning more and more about the effects of smoking, I just cant get my head round why people want to do it. Ive smoked a lot in the past, so im not a person whos never tried it and just voicing a weak opinion on it.

The costs to the NHS are huge thanks to smokers and Id rather put the money helping people who did nothing wrong in life fight cancer than people who knew what they were doing seeing as its now 100% proven that smoking can damage your health even just a couple a week, but still go a head and light up anyway.

Smokers are far from second rate citizens, in fact the people who do smoke treat us non-smokers like that as we have to put up with passive smoking, in the past when it was allowed in pubs and pay taxes towards your health treatment when the effects eventually catch up with you. Just because you have a 'right' to smoke, never mind what the professionals, the ones who have studied for years, and given their life to it think.

I didnt say DONT SMOKE, I just gave my person opinion on it.

And Animal.... I cant believe you used the line, 'we all die in the end' well done you obviously listen carefully in school. Id rather die through an unfortunate mishap or in natural ways, than possibly shortening my life and hammering away at my body, because 'I have a right to smoke'

If you all decide to have a go at me for voicing an opinion, then surely all these posts about people getting narky because people dont like the advice or opinion of others are clearly very much true. Im not telling you not to smoke, just an opinion, like others express an opinion on horses. If we can't give an opinion in life, whats the point of even having a forum? Its just purely people wanting to dictate to others in life what they can and cant think, and that my horse chums is what narks me off the most.. The little Starlin's and Hitler's of the modern 21st Century.

You have absolutly no right to talk to me about my school work thanks. And, i just did use that line.
Smokers, whether you like it or not, pay the tax on their fags which will go towards their possible future treatment.


Who wants to live forever? If we stopped everything "bad" that gave anyone pleasue than we would be pretty miserable.


There are a million and one diseases perfectly healthy people can get, which will "shorten their life", as you have said. I'm of the opinion that if you spend your life worring about what diseases you might get, then that's not particualy benificial either.

I don't know how you can say your being jumped on for your opinion, more like the other way round...

 

[charlie76]

I don't smoke but if people want to its up to them but its NOT up to them to smoke on MY yard. Anyone who wants to smoke here has to stand outside the yard and smoke .
Our viewing gallery caught fire and burnt down due to a smoker in there. It was only sheer luck that someone noticed or the whole place and all the horses would have gone up in flames.
Smoking is totally banned on the premises.

 

[JFTDWS]

Smoking may indeed be a vile habit but so is sneezing and spraying someone with your germ ridden snot because you don't cover your face!

Indeed *shudders* and in fairness, since it is illegal to smoke in confined public places and most smokers are reasonably considerate, it is much easier to avoid second hand smoke than it is second hand germs

And what about lard arses who take up more space on public transport than their allocated seat - also a vile habit to eat until you practically engulf your neighbouring passengers. Then there's people who eat on public transport - also vile - in fact, most people are vile, imo.

But since Godwin's law has already been fulfilled in this thread, I don't think this "discussion" is going to go anywhere