snow and ice- who deals with it at your yard?

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i am just wondering who deals with it you or the YO?

i am just keeping mine in as YO hasnt bothered to put any salt down or attempt to clear the snow which is now compacted and like a skating rink (literally) from the tractors and quads driving on it, so my route to the field is far too unsafe to walk on even for me (nightmare to and from the carpark to see to them)

oh and is the YO responsible for dealing with the snow and ice?
 
I wanted a safe route from my stable to the field so did it myself. YO had left some salt/grit so I put that down once I had cleared it to keep it from icing back up.

Other liveries didn't do anything to make a path to their stables, but they were obviously happy with that.

If the YO does it, then I think they are liable for any accidents.
 
At uni i am on part livery (as is everyone part or full) and the yard owner deals with gritting the yard.
At home i am on DIY and neither the yard owner or manager have bothered to do anything and it is also like a skating rink so lots are leaving in, some are braving the walk but its not nice to see them slip. Manager blames the owner for not buying grit, owner blames the manager for not clearing the snow when it first fell... so its all a bit of a mess really
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As for who is responsible i dont know but i guess we are as liverys if its DIY, as we are meant to manage our own space and i know at home the yard also has to be kept swept buy us as well - so spose its the same with snow and ice unfortunatley

Editied to say i think the YO should at least provide grit, which they havnt done on our yard!
 
Someone asked about this a few days ago - In the yard where I keep Jack it is (quite correctly) dealt with by the YO. As I said on the previous post ...

"The Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 sections 2(2)e, 3 and 4 require anyone who runs a business to carry out a risk assessment (doesn't have to be written - it can be in your head!) and to discharge their "duty of care" to employees and anyone affected by the running of their business or the use of their premesis. This is customers and/or the general public - where that applies.

Trying to pretent you "didn't know" it was icy and so doing nothing about it won't protect you if there is an accident. If you show that you took reasonable precautions (grit/salt/ploughing) but someone walked off the safe path you had made after you had made it clear that they should stick to the path then you have done all you could reasonably have been expected to do.

I have a horse on DIY livery in an (otherwise) full livery yard and we spread salt every night, advise people to stick to the path and the horse owners pitch in with the occasional bag of salt - to help out.

To do nothing is morally reprehensible even if it hadn't been your legal duty as a yard owner."

Hope that helps
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I must admit when I was chiselling the ice on the 2nd day I really regretted that I did not shovel the snow when it first fell and would have been so easy to move.

Lessons learnt, if there is a next time I'll be first out there with my shovel
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We all muck in and help each other and each do a bit. We all need to get ablout the yard and put horses out even if it is only while we muck out. It is good exercise for you too.
 
This is often muted by yard owners that they can be held responsible for accidents. But surely this is the same for any other small businesses, most of whom choose to put grit down, small local shops and alike, the local petrol station had gritted and had a handmade caution ice sign, hence admitting there was ice. I don't see why livery yards are so different to these other small businesses and why they couldnt be held liable for not providing a safe working environment for their employees/customers by leaving sheets of ice untreated
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If I had a yard I would be doing my best to make sure everyone was safe and gritting tbh.
 
We do it and don't expect our liveries to have to. That said, they often offer to help (we've had to clear the yard about 6 times in the last 10 days after fresh snowfalls). It's the same with anything on the yard - if a reasonable person would consider something to be a risk then we have a duty to anticipate and remedy it.
 
We are a DIY yard but literally totally DIY really, we rent stables from the YO and thats pretty much it. He does maintenance and improvements etc bit doesn't really get too involved otherwise. So we have cleared a path from our stables to the field so we can get horses in and out safely. I think if I were on part/full I would expect them to do it, but as we are the ones who want to turn our horses out as normal we have done it.
 
Nobody
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, rode out for about 3 hours covering everything, river roadworks parks roads traffic dogs blah blah, not one single incident, 10 seconds on the yard and nearly broke my bloody kneck
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I am on a DIY yard and a small number of us have spent ages over the last week and a half we have had the bad snow and ice trying to keep the yard as clear as we can. Left the snow the first day but since the 2nd day have been trying to clear up to 3 inches of compacted snow from a 14 box long yard using metal shovels to keep a walk way down the yard clear and spent ages yesterday clearing a path from the top of the yard to the school so we could finally get to ride.

Our YM does no maintenance at the yard at all, not even fencing but did supply a bag of salt to use. As myself and 2 others want our horses to get out of their stables we have had to do it ourselves. But the others at the yard have done sweet FA to help, that is the thing that annoys me most.
 
Park Rangers will ponce about in Land rovers cutting logs having annoying bonfires new fencing around "trees" blah blah blah, our fencing is crap and road into park and our yard are bloody lethal, not one bit of grit ANYWHERE
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at least 3 of us have had horses slip over
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Our yard was like an ice rink and YO didn't bother to grit. A few of us brought salt & grit but it was a nightmare.
 
We swept the snow when it first fell on friday, but then it rained Saturday night and we were left with sheets of ice. We swept a pathway again when it snowed heavily on Sunday, but found we were just exposing the ice under the snow.

Leaving the snow was the safest option for us at that point - more grip and we actually got the horses out 3 days in a row.
Then it yesterday, it rained on the snow causing it to turn to a sheet of 2" ice.
YO has shovelled a path as best he could with the Matbro, but the wet concrete surface froze to ice again last night.........sigh.
Where do you buy gritsalt from?
 
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