So-called "Rescue sites" Charity comes out AGAINST!!!

moralcampaigner it is not something for us to all bang on about it, it was a response to an informative post about changes in legislation at it is known many were interested in this on this forum. A lot of us have also only had snippets of the 'other stuff' that has been going on and try not to pre judge on snippets of info.

we know not all want a horse merely to work or ride thats irreleveant cos then we go back to the main argument that we have plenty unable to work in this country who could be 'rescued' without the associated risks. I should very much hope she wouldn't breed from her, nobody who is rescuing horses should be breeding more IMO even in the unlikely event of them being superb quality.

GTF, I entered this very originally interested and open to all arguments, needless to say I have never changed my mind on the matter so although I feel my support is useless I second pricklyflower on the jobs you have all been doing in the face of adversity.
 
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if she is fit to travel and is painfree, has no illness why is this wrong

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Oh, I agree completely. However, I think we can all agree that arranging transport for an animal some hours before it is due to travel means that no vet check can be arranged. And as we can see from the photo's the mare looks poor. So clearly (I would say) not fit to travel.

The TPA has very clear guidelines - the import of this mare at such short notice, and in poor condition does not meet them.
 
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moralcampaigner it is not something for us to all bang on about it, it was a response to an informative post about changes in legislation at it is known many were interested in this on this forum. A lot of us have also only had snippets of the 'other stuff' that has been going on and try not to pre judge on snippets of info.

we know not all want a horse merely to work or ride thats irreleveant cos then we go back to the main argument that we have plenty unable to work in this country who could be 'rescued' without the associated risks. I should very much hope she wouldn't breed from her, nobody who is rescuing horses should be breeding more IMO even in the unlikely event of them being superb quality.

GTF, I entered this very originally interested and open to all arguments, needless to say I have never changed my mind on the matter so although I feel my support is useless I second pricklyflower on the jobs you have all been doing in the face of adversity.

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Sorry, when i said you all I wasnt including you in the generalisation.
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if she is fit to travel and is painfree, has no illness why is this wrong

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Oh, I agree completely. However, I think we can all agree that arranging transport for an animal some hours before it is due to travel means that no vet check can be arranged. And as we can see from the photo's the mare looks poor. So clearly (I would say) not fit to travel.

The TPA has very clear guidelines - the import of this mare at such short notice, and in poor condition does not meet them.

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Definately and I for one would be screaming from the rooftops if I thought for one moment this mare or any other was transported either illegally or not meeting requirements.
Toni has said though that she isnt happy for her to be in such a condition and wants a through check before she is moved
 
Ah, so you were being personal, MC?
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Your credibility is frankly shot to pieces when you come on blustering authority and don't even seem to know which animal is being spoken about.
 
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moralcampaigner it is not something for us to all bang on about it, it was a response to an informative post about changes in legislation at it is known many were interested in this on this forum. A lot of us have also only had snippets of the 'other stuff' that has been going on and try not to pre judge on snippets of info.

we know not all want a horse merely to work or ride thats irreleveant cos then we go back to the main argument that we have plenty unable to work in this country who could be 'rescued' without the associated risks. I should very much hope she wouldn't breed from her, nobody who is rescuing horses should be breeding more IMO even in the unlikely event of them being superb quality.

GTF, I entered this very originally interested and open to all arguments, needless to say I have never changed my mind on the matter so although I feel my support is useless I second pricklyflower on the jobs you have all been doing in the face of adversity.

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Sorry, when i said you all I wasnt including you in the generalisation.
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So it was "you all" but with certain exceptions
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Ah, so you were being personal, MC?
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Your credibility is frankly shot to pieces when you come on blustering authority and don't even seem to know which animal is being spoken about.

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No I wasnt, I was taling about the whole group that were part of the huge debacle a few weeks ago.
I havent blustered anything, esspecially not with authority, howeve I was mistaken with the age, easy mistake to make. for which I have already apologised and explained. No need to harp on about the one thing I got wrong really is there.
 
Well that's good to hear MC. Of course it all adds to the cost of import - the extra livery whilst she is being brought to health for travelling etc. Which again begs the question, £1,000 on one horse (plus attendant extra livery costs for recuperation) - or go direct to the TB industry or market and 'save' 5 in the uk........?

It's a no brainer really. No matter how sad the situation.
 
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moralcampaigner it is not something for us to all bang on about it, it was a response to an informative post about changes in legislation at it is known many were interested in this on this forum. A lot of us have also only had snippets of the 'other stuff' that has been going on and try not to pre judge on snippets of info.

we know not all want a horse merely to work or ride thats irreleveant cos then we go back to the main argument that we have plenty unable to work in this country who could be 'rescued' without the associated risks. I should very much hope she wouldn't breed from her, nobody who is rescuing horses should be breeding more IMO even in the unlikely event of them being superb quality.

GTF, I entered this very originally interested and open to all arguments, needless to say I have never changed my mind on the matter so although I feel my support is useless I second pricklyflower on the jobs you have all been doing in the face of adversity.

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Sorry, when i said you all I wasnt including you in the generalisation.
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So it was "you all" but with certain exceptions
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erm yeah basically.
 
MC seeing as you are answering on behalf of BER tonight, maybe you can answer me this...

Why when I asked BER about taking on a £1 pony who was in danger of ending up in a bad place did she refuse?
Reason being due to the fact it would be difficult to re-home as it was no longer ride able?
Isn't the chance of this mare being exactly the same as above high?
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So why is she taking this 1 on, but not something similar over here?
 
You see I don't know if that photo is even recent. making the assumption that it is if a vet were to pass that for travel such a long way I would have severe concerns on the quality and thoroughness of any vet check done and hence I think it therefore is in danger of portraying the vet checks done as a farce.

I would hope that toni wouldn't transport a horse unfit to travel but this is dependent on the quality of the checks done the other end if she hasn't seen the horse herself.
 
MC, you seem to be under the misapprehension that we think you should only rescue rideable animals.

Firstly, we are not against rescue of older non rideable animals, what we are against is the import of these poor unfortunates under the guise of rescue when many of them are simply NOT FIT TO TRAVEL. Ask yourself, is it really fair on an animal to be travelled the distance from France to the UK when it is clearly not up to that travel? You KNOW that there was an instance when one horse actually died on the journey and others where they died shortly after the journey which arguably was responsible.

I do not want to hear that the journey to Italy is longer, we all know that the majority of these animals do not go to Italy, and those that do are very close to the Italian border which is a much shorter journey than the one to the UK.

On a different note, I did believe that you were going to be responsible for the vet checking that any new rescues were going to have? How come this little mare has passed you by?
 
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You see I don't know if that photo is even recent. making the assumption that it is if a vet were to pass that for travel such a long way I would have severe concerns on the quality and thoroughness of any vet check done and hence I think it therefore is in danger of portraying the vet checks done as a farce.

I would hope that toni wouldn't transport a horse unfit to travel but this is dependent on the quality of the checks done the other end if she hasn't seen the horse herself.

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I think the whole problem is that no-one really knows how recent that photo is, that is one of the real issues of these french rescues, buying from a photo which could have been taken last week or 6 months ago. Agree though that if it is a recent photo that mare really does not look fit to travel.
 
When I needed a home for LL, there was none to be had
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. I've managed by hook and by crook to hold onto him, but things may still change.

Someone else on here has offered her help, which was very much appreciated (and may yet still be taken up
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I talked to BER about LL, but no room at the Inn. Quoted £300 re-homing fee, though didn't get an email to confirm details.

Maybe I should send him to Franch
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MC, you seem to be under the misapprehension that we think you should only rescue rideable animals.

Firstly, we are not against rescue of older non rideable animals, what we are against is the import of these poor unfortunates under the guise of rescue when many of them are simply NOT FIT TO TRAVEL. Ask yourself, is it really fair on an animal to be travelled the distance from France to the UK when it is clearly not up to that travel? You KNOW that there was an instance when one horse actually died on the journey and others where they died shortly after the journey which arguably was responsible.

I do not want to hear that the journey to Italy is longer, we all know that the majority of these animals do not go to Italy, and those that do are very close to the Italian border which is a much shorter journey than the one to the UK.

On a different note, I did believe that you were going to be responsible for the vet checking that any new rescues were going to have? How come this little mare has passed you by?

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Firstly I am not answering for BER I was just reading this and thought i would answer what I know.
Secondly, yes I am aware of those deaths and have never said i condone any of it.
Thirdly, it was 2nd chance that I offered to help with the vettings and as you should all be aware Julie Barney is no longer part of that and I want no part of it either for reasons I will not put on a forum.
Finally, as i have said before, each to there own and if there is nothing wrong iwth the horses and they are fully checked and with correct papers I have no problem.
I dont agree that they should be sold on, I feel adoption is the way forward if anything.
 
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When I needed a home for LL, there was none to be had
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. I've managed by hook and by crook to hold onto him, but things may still change.

Someone else on here has offered her help, which was very much appreciated (and may yet still be taken up
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) - I won't name unless she says it's okay.

I talked to BER about LL, but no room at the Inn. Quoted £300 re-homing fee, though didn't get an email to confirm details.

Maybe I should send him to Franch
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God! So sorry MrsM, I cannot believe that she turned him down but has since taken in 2 (not including this new one) french horses.

Disgusting!
 
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When I needed a home for LL, there was none to be had
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. I've managed by hook and by crook to hold onto him, but things may still change.

Someone else on here has offered her help, which was very much appreciated (and may yet still be taken up
smile.gif
) - I won't name unless she says it's okay.

I talked to BER about LL, but no room at the Inn. Quoted £300 re-homing fee, though didn't get an email to confirm details.

Maybe I should send him to Franch
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Sorry to hear that MM
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Glad however that someone nice has offered their help
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you see I wonder if the reasons these sites do well inspite of the fact we have enough home rescue issues partly because it is franch, we have neve, as a nation, really liked the french and 'they are mean and eat horse meat.' (disclaimer- I like french people)

I wonder if many of the people on the sites know how many still go for meat here? Just a thought, its getting late and I'm trying to do graphs!

did I read that right mc is a vet as was going to be responsible for vettings or am I getting it wrong?

Slightly off tack but I have been involved in the rescue and rehab of wild animals. The more I did the more I wondered if it was really such a good idea to put such animals through such stress during treatment. particularly certain species. Particularly as said animal has no concept of '2 months and I will be out of here' not the same but horses also don't have this concept, 'just X hours on this box and I will be in sunny england.' equally they don't know if they are going the other direction.

I think I might be waffling now- back to excel a min
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We'd have sorted him for you if he was here......... no worries........ I'm shocked, btw........
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Ta hun
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. I won't send him though, think you've got enough of your own to cope with
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I was surprised, but hey, he's my problem dingbat and I'll find a way (daughter took him out on her own round the fields today - cantered, short gallop; he tried to bob off and she said No, and then he was a good lad; even jumped a little double (twelve inches) when they got back and had a six year old sit on him (two of us leading and Friend holding onto child) and he was as good as gold). As I said, he is a dingbat
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. Sorry, off at a tangent then, it's a bad habit
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When I needed a home for LL, there was none to be had
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. I've managed by hook and by crook to hold onto him, but things may still change.

Someone else on here has offered her help, which was very much appreciated (and may yet still be taken up
smile.gif
) - I won't name unless she says it's okay.

I talked to BER about LL, but no room at the Inn. Quoted £300 re-homing fee, though didn't get an email to confirm details.
Maybe I should send him to Franch
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What BER was going to charge you £300 to rehome?? Sorry don't know the story of LL?
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I thought rescue meant they took them in for nothing? So do they charge you to take them and the rehomer to have them?
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Ester I totally agree. I once kept taking a cat that was dying to the vet and getting him treated. I would find him where he had hidden and was probably trying to die and rush him to the vet. I loved him so much and I was very young. But I was only thinking about me. I should have let him go long before he finally died.

If you really think about the animals you have to take a more pragmatic view. How is it rescuing to bring a old and/or sick animal on a 50 hour journey to a supposedly forever home only to have them up for sale within a few months because they are too much for the buyer who didn't realise what they were taking on.
 
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