So-called "Rescue sites" Charity comes out AGAINST!!!

Tell us where we can find these TB's for meat money.

Some months ago I heard of an Irish Draft going for slaughter. My informant told me the UK slaughter houses (I think there are only two) were very reluctant to sell horses once purchased.

She had managed to get him to agree to sell THIS particular horse but I don't know if there were any takers.

Of course many ex-track TB's are not suitable for recreational riders who only want to hack out, which is why there are now re-training centres.

Let us have a UK Rescue and Rehoming Board where people can post their horses for loan also.
 
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Tell us where we can find these TB's for meat money.

Of course many ex-track TB's are not suitable for recreational riders who only want to hack out, which is why there are now re-training centres.

Let us have a UK Rescue and Rehoming Board where people can post their horses for loan also.

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I second that - I, for one, would love to have an ex-racer to event. I would prefer to have one fresh from the track as I'd like to do the re-training myself, however I'd also take on one that had be part re-trained. I just can't seem to find the one - sorry if that sounds wrong but if I'm going to rescue one, I'd like it to be the right one...!


JM07 : Well done and huge thank you's (if you like) for all the hard work you and the others (apologies, I'm not sure who exactly is involved) are doing. If there is anything I can do to help - be it research, letter writing or anything else please let me know. Pm me if you want a phone number or e-mail etc.

Cheers.
 
I had an ex racer straight from the trainer, but that was 30 odd years ago. However I know someone else who has had 2 ex-racers who have had injuries, some time off and some tlc and they were fine.
They may not all have raced but plenty of TBs go through Beeston, and I expect through the other sale rings, at meat prices.
 
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Not even meat money Rollin. I have been offered three TB's this year - all free, straight out of racing and rather nice.

Go to some of the bigger sales and you will see some nice ones going through the ring for not very much money.

Go direct to the trainers and ask them to keep an eye out for anything that might come up.

It takes a bit of effort, but they are all out there.
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Actually that's not quite true. They make brilliant recreational horses. They are often bomb proof to hack out. Just need some re-education on the use of brakes (and what they mean) and working alone.

I had an ex hurdler, who was just wonderful. My friend had his 'training' partner, also who was a really nice sort.
 
So why don't horse lovers UK on this board set up a website to save them from slaughter or dodgy dealers.

Then kind hearted people, short of cash, and with no aspiration to be Olympic Showjumpers could offer them loving homes and not waste their money on the unsuitable mounts rescued from France.

This would seem a win win solution. Ask Admin to do a Sticky on horses which need to be saved from slaughter.
 
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So why don't horse lovers UK on this board set up a website to save them from slaughter or dodgy dealers.

Then kind hearted people, short of cash, and with no aspiration to be Olympic Showjumpers could offer them loving homes and not waste their money on the unsuitable mounts rescued from France.

This would seem a win win solution. Ask Admin to do a Sticky on horses which need to be saved from slaughter.

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Don't you think if people are short of money as you put it. It would not be a good idea to buy or rescue a horse they are expensive most of the time and need farriers, vets etc. They are not like a car that can stand on a drive until you can afford to pay for them.
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At the various TB dispersal sales held throughout the year, straight out of racing, through the general sales etc. It is a case of doing research.

Most abattoirs in general do not sell direct to the public. Neither do the French ones.

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Based on what? As someone who has been involved in racing and and competed and reschooled TBs I totally disagree with that. Of course there are some horses unsuitable, but in the main, when the horse is taken off the rocket fuel it is fed when in training, it is quite capable of being a 'normal' horse.

The retraining centres exist to help horses leaving training, and to be a halfway house between racing and the public.

If someone is incapable of taking on a horse out of training in the UK, their last consideration should be importing an injured TB out of racing in France.........
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So why don't horse lovers UK on this board set up a website to save them from slaughter or dodgy dealers.

Then kind hearted people, short of cash, and with no aspiration to be Olympic Showjumpers could offer them loving homes and not waste their money on the unsuitable mounts rescued from France.

This would seem a win win solution. Ask Admin to do a Sticky on horses which need to be saved from slaughter.

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Seems to me that the majority of people who post on here are savvy enough to source horses themselves if that is what they wish to do.
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I'm still really interested to know what your concerns are regarding 'rescue's' as you alluded to in a previous post....
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Yes and no. There are plenty of horses (particularly British Natives) who can live out 24/7 and are fed just forage. After all it is all horses got to eat before man discovered farming fed them grain and built them stables.

My children's first pony had never been shod and he just had his feet trimmed. In France many horses are unshod.

I have friends in Berkshire who keep horses on very modest incomes.

Capital and cash flow are not the same.
 
Sorry I should have explained. I did not wish to post on this forum what I wrote to DEFRA or rather some aspects of my letter.
 
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Sorry I should have explained. I did not wish to post on this forum what I wrote to DEFRA or rather some aspects of my letter.

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Fair enough - obviously not everything is for public consumption. But generally, without giving away 'trade' secrets as it were??

It would be great to know what other angles are being worked.
 
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Yes and no. There are plenty of horses (particularly British Natives) who can live out 24/7 and are fed just forage. After all it is all horses got to eat before man discovered farming fed them grain and built them stables.

My children's first pony had never been shod and he just had his feet trimmed. In France many horses are unshod.

I have friends in Berkshire who keep horses on very modest incomes.

Capital and cash flow are not the same.

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Rollin I never said to shoe a farrier does just trim too. As for people who have horses on modest incomes. I just hope their horses never need a vet as if they can't afford them then I don't think the vet would be very pleased. Owning a horse is a commitment when they are wild they learn to survive. We have domesticated them to a certain extent so have to pay the price for injuries sustained whilst riding them and keeping them hemmed in paddocks and stables. Before farmers discovered them as you say they weren't ridden either were they
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I wrote to DEFRA expressing my concerns, which are somewhat different to those being expressed on this board.



[/ QUOTE ]In what way are your concerns different to ours?
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Ok Let me try again. My friend's horses are well cared for.

My vet in Scotland stopped invoicing his equine clients many years ago. His particular no-go area were local livery yards, where DIY clients had to pay before the vet left. i understand that such bad debt is not uncommon for vet practices. During 8 years he never had to chase me to pay a bill.

My painter/decorator spent more on fags than it cost me to keep three horses.
 
Sorry I missed a bit of your post. Yes horses were ridden before man farmed. Man was a hunter gatherer before he was a farmer.

Nomads kept animals but did not grow grain e.g. Mongols, Apaches, Bedoins. All their animals did and still do live on forage.
 
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My painter/decorator spent more on fags than it cost me to keep three horses.

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Wow, love to know how you managed that one. My horse is bankrupting me
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Ok Let me try again. My friend's horses are well cared for.

My vet in Scotland stopped invoicing his equine clients many years ago. His particular no-go area were local livery yards, where DIY clients had to pay before the vet left. i understand that such bad debt is not uncommon for vet practices. During 8 years he never had to chase me to pay a bill.

My painter/decorator spent more on fags than it cost me to keep three horses.

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I wrote to DEFRA expressing my concerns, which are somewhat different to those being expressed on this board.



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No didn't miss you. Someone else asked the same and I have already responded.

This is a very stimulating debate. Lots of good stuff and no mud slinging.
 
Living in the Borders with Riding of the Marches festivals lots of young men own TBs out of racing and they have a fantastic time with them as every gala has a flat race meeting (flapping)
Many have been bought for little money at Doncaster sales or by direct negotiation with a trainer for a horse ready to retire--and they are still young.
TBs are great for these galas as the horses love going out with their ''friends''
Many of the lads are not great riders but they are brave and love the speed.
Some hunt through the winter do the odd XC but most get winter off.
 
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No, Tanks, Rollin did respond to my question earlier:

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Sorry I should have explained. I did not wish to post on this forum what I wrote to DEFRA or rather some aspects of my letter.


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Sounds intruiging. But as I said earlier, some things may need to be kept out of the public domain. Perhaps because of their sensativity.
 
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or by direct negotiation with a trainer for a horse ready to retire--and they are still young.

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There's quite a few ex - racers at my old yard. One, a lovely little bay, was given to the girl straight out of racing as a 7 year old. She didn't pay a penny for him. He went through the sales ring as a yearling for 3/4 million pounds......

My jaw nearly hit the flaw when I heard that.
 
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Yes horses were ridden before man farmed. Man was a hunter gatherer before he was a farmer.

Nomads kept animals but did not grow grain e.g. Mongols, Apaches, Bedoins. All their animals did and still do live on forage.

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actually just so you know, horses were 'farmed' and therefore eaten, well before they were ridden. The reason someone probably thought of riding one was because they were already around semi- domesticated for food.
Just like to keep all our facts clear.
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