So many dodgy dealers

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I can’t believe how there’s so many dodgy dealers aiming horses that are unsuitable & often poorly to innocent hard working animal lovers ruining their experiences of riding & learning to ride . Dangerous horses being sold. How sad for the horses & the buyers & no wonder they get passed around as they don’t know anything about them & are only thinking of money ? I have recently been sold a lane horse f totally unsuitable from a dealer & I am experienced. Obviously on painkiller & sedatives

 

[AmyMay]

Obviously on painkiller & sedatives

And being returned pronto….

 

[Red-1]

I can’t believe how there’s so many dodgy dealers aiming horses that are unsuitable & often poorly to innocent hard working animal lovers ruining their experiences of riding & learning to ride . Dangerous horses being sold. How sad for the horses & the buyers & no wonder they get passed around as they don’t know anything about them & are only thinking of money ? I have recently been sold a lane horse f totally unsuitable from a dealer & I am experienced. Obviously on painkiller & sedatives

Did the vet not pick that up? If they didn't at the time, I would run the bloods to prove it straight away and return.

 

[Pad]

I didn’t have any bloods done. Silly I know. The horse is very lame & I told the dealer the day after delivery but he won’t refund me & I didn’t realise apparently he’s known for being dodgy. Very upsetting .

 

[ycbm]

I didn’t have any bloods done. Silly I know. The horse is very lame & I told the dealer the day after delivery but he won’t refund me & I didn’t realise apparently he’s known for being dodgy. Very upsetting .

If the horse belongs to him and he is not selling it as an agent on behalf of its owner, then he is legally obliged to take it back under the sale of goods act. A small claim is easy to raise online and will often persuade a dodgy dealer that you mean business.

 

[Pad]

he has now said he will take it back but not pay me until he has resold it but with research he has done this before & not refunded the money I have found out. I don’t feel I have the energy to keep battling & I am worried where the horse will end up. He will just do it again to someone else.

 

[Red-1]

What does your vet say is wrong with the horse? Could it be an abscess or something?

 

[Birker2020]

I didn’t have any bloods done. Silly I know. The horse is very lame & I told the dealer the day after delivery but he won’t refund me & I didn’t realise apparently he’s known for being dodgy. Very upsetting .

Keep any correspondence and contact an equine solicitor pronto. You have recourse if the lameness is from an arthritic or pre existing issue and its a dealer you've bought from. If you've bought privately then its tough luck as I found out .

 

[Birker2020]

Lari was my 7th horse. Horse 1 and horse 7 were from private homes. Horses 2 to 6 were from dealers and everything I wanted. Really don't fancy buying privately again.

 

[Pad]

it’s difficult both ways I think. I once bought a horse from a dealer & was refused a vetting … I should have ran but didn’t as really wanted him & it turned out to be wrong passport , microchip & very dangerous & was aimed at a novice for my friend to learn on & she refused to have him back or exchange . It’s a minefield.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

it’s difficult both ways I think. I once bought a horse from a dealer & was refused a vetting … I should have ran but didn’t as really wanted him & it turned out to be wrong passport , microchip & very dangerous & was aimed at a novice for my friend to learn on & she refused to have him back or exchange . It’s a minefield.

You can really reduce the levels of 'minefield' if you try any horse thoroughly, take an experienced friend when trying, get a vetting by your choice of vet, you get bloods taken etc - the vet will check chip to passport too.

Never ever buy 'because I really wanted him' unless you are prepared to accept all issues and faults, because you would be negligent in not carrying out all checks and not really have a leg to stand on except under trading standards.

 

[Glitter's fun]

Just thinking aloud.
What happens to all these lame; teeth don't match passport; oo he's never done that before, etc horses?
They can't keep going round from one dealer to another for ever. Do they end up with a kind or beaten owner who cares for them? You can't put them for meat now can you? What do you do if you're the last dealer on the list & no one else will take it?

 

[ycbm]

it’s difficult both ways I think. I once bought a horse from a dealer & was refused a vetting … I should have ran but didn’t as really wanted him & it turned out to be wrong passport , microchip & very dangerous & was aimed at a novice for my friend to learn on & she refused to have him back or exchange . It’s a minefield.

That one should have been fairly easy to get a refund on. The conversation goes "would you prefer to give me my money back and take the horse back, or that I have you prosecuted for selling a horse without a valid passport? ".

The dealer of your current horse changed his mind in the 40 minutes between two of your posts last night and will now take him back and has promised a refund. You can take him to the small claims court for that very easily if you get the right receipt and he doesn't pay up. He can't legally apply a condition that the horse must be resold first.

But it sounds as though you aren't prepared now to send him back, and I'm struggling a bit to understand what you wanted out of starting this thread. Welcome to the forum, though, we're a helpful bunch of there is any way that the horse can be got right.
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[Red-1]

I still don't know, you say the horse is very lame but not what with? It could be an abscess? You don't have bloods (so presumably didn't vet) yet presumably the horse was sound when you viewed? So it could be an abscess or something simple?

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the horse currently is in your care, in your ownership too, and if he is very lame and hasn't seen a vet, that is wrong too.

Besides, an actual diagnosis asap will help with a return as it would hopefully prove it was a pre-existing condition.

Morally and practically, the horse needs to see a vet now if he is very lame.

 

[AmyMay]

I still don't know, you say the horse is very lame but not what with? It could be an abscess? You don't have bloods (so presumably didn't vet) yet presumably the horse was sound when you viewed? So it could be an abscess or something simple?

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the horse currently is in your care, in your ownership too, and if he is very lame and hasn't seen a vet, that is wrong too.

Besides, an actual diagnosis asap will help with a return as it would hopefully prove it was a pre-existing condition.

Morally and practically, the horse needs to see a vet now if he is very lame.

The horse is on pain killers and sedatives, so has presumably seen a vet?

 

[Red-1]

The horse is on pain killers and sedatives, so has presumably seen a vet?

Op says 'obviously on painkillers and sedatives' as in OP's opinion, rather than diagnosed by blood test or otherwise by a vet.

 

[AmyMay]

Op says 'obviously on painkillers and sedatives' as in OP's opinion, rather than diagnosed by blood test or otherwise by a vet.

Ah, I may have misunderstood what they’d written.

 

[ester]

It's pretty easy to check whether most dealers have a dodgy history or not these days, especially if you're on facebook. They rely on people not doing their research, or adequately viewing and vetting.

 

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I’m not on Facebook , yes I’ve made a silly mistake , yes he’s seen the vet & I will love him & care for him like my others if only just to see him having a kind loving home he deserves . Yes the dealer messaged within those 49 minutes saying he had a home for him ??? But would not pay me my money on collection. I didn’t research him as I didn’t know his full name & he’s done it lots of times before . I consulted an equine solicitor who actually knew him well & said not to waste my money as he won’t pay & the baliffs even struggled .

 

[Pad]

It’s my own fault & I will deal with the consequences. It’s not the poor horses fault. ?

 

[Red-1]

I’m not on Facebook , yes I’ve made a silly mistake , yes he’s seen the vet & I will love him & care for him like my others if only just to see him having a kind loving home he deserves . Yes the dealer messaged within those 49 minutes saying he had a home for him ??? But would not pay me my money on collection. I didn’t research him as I didn’t know his full name & he’s done it lots of times before . I consulted an equine solicitor who actually knew him well & said not to waste my money as he won’t pay & the baliffs even struggled .

So what did the vet diagnose?

Some things can come right enough to enjoy the horse.

 

[canteron]

It’s my own fault & I will deal with the consequences. It’s not the poor horses fault. ?

Well done! Like you I have been sold unsuitable horses, but have always done my best to get them back on track even if it cost me masses - after a few years the money spent is totally irrelevant but you have a clear conscience, which is priceless.