So now my loaner wants me to take back the horse for winter RANT

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Unbelievable.

Cracking black bompbroof cob loaned to lady in her 50's in the Summer. Now I get an email saying she won't cope in the winter and could she send him back to me for winter and get him back in the Spring.

She did add that she hopes I didn't think she was being cheeky. LOL.

Jeezo some people.
 
Gosh, that is a bit of a cheek! Wanting him back for jolly spring hacks after you have done the winter slog is pretty unbeliveable! Hope you find a better loaner who would appreciate your cob, year round, not just the sunny easy bits!!
 
How annoying!

If she can't be *rsed with your horse in the winter then perhaps she doesn't deserve him/her any way.

I have a thing about fair weather riders.. :mad:
 
You could ask her why she wont be able to cope over the winter (get her to be specific) then say that you cannot guarantee that she will be available for loan come the spring. Then perhaps look for someone who isnt just a fair weather rider!
 
I'd say you will take the horse back, and readvertise him immediately. If another loan hasn't been found by spring then she can take him back, however you can't guarantee that a 'more reliable long-term loan home' won't have been found by then.

It's her risk.
 
Surely what she is asking for is practically the definition of cheeky!! I know someone in the exact same position she got angry with loaner and is now struggling to find a livery yard as loaner has said to pick up horse ASAP as she will no longer have anything to do with it due to her attitude!!
 
scarymare said:
Unbelievable.

Cracking black bompbroof cob loaned to lady in her 50's in the Summer. Now I get an email saying she won't cope in the winter and could she send him back to me for winter and get him back in the Spring.

She did add that she hopes I didn't think she was being cheeky. LOL.

Jeezo some people.
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I would say " Yes, actually I do think you are being cheeky" I would be so cross, I would take him/her back and loan out to somebody more suitable if you had to.
 
Agree with DQ.

I mean that is taking the biscuit! Hasn't she ever come across livery yards what offer FULL services?????
 
Blimey thats a bit cheeky!!!! I would find another loaner who wants your horse in the hard times as well as the good ones!
 
Whereabouts are you?
The lady who shares my horse is looking for a nice, kind cob, and would probably consider loaning. I can give references, and she would NOT be giving any horse back as this will be my horse's companion!
So if you are looking for a new home and East Sussex is not too far, PM me.
If not, good luck and the woman sounds like an eejit! Hope you get it sorted.
 
Dancing Queen said:
You could ask her why she wont be able to cope over the winter (get her to be specific) then say that you cannot guarantee that she will be available for loan come the spring. Then perhaps look for someone who isnt just a fair weather rider!
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I just wonder is she taking the pee or could there be a genuine reason - could she be going into hospital for an operation - etc - get her to be specific. If it is genuine then perhaps you could have back over winter but ask for a token payment per month to show commitment to the loan.

If she is woolly then take horse back and look for a dedicated loaner.
 
Well...I had my pony on loan to a lovely lady in her late 60s for years. Lots of times I wanted to take her back but didn't because I thought she was happy and didn't want to unsettle her until I was absolutely settled.

We found out that she had then sub-loaned to a younger girl who was working her like mad, jumping her and doing trials and all sorts (she was 16 at the time). She looked great and seemed well cared for so we left it as is.

Then we got a phone call from this girl directly to say that the mare had tied up and she didn't want to keep her if she couldn't ride her any more. The vet had apparently said it was because her field was muddy and she was working hard!!! I was a bit shocked but said that was ok we would sort something and gave her a date that we would defintely move her which was 3 weeks down the line, we were already covering 50% of the livery costs. That was on the Tuesday. The next day I get an email from the girl to say the mare had to go by the Saturday and the original loaner didn't want her either. So we were up pooh creek. I covered 50% of the vets bill to come out for the tying up.

Anyway, upshot of it was that we had to put her in a tiny patch for a week before we moved her to where she is now. The girl then had the cheek to ask for the fuel costs to be covered even though it had been made clear to her that we would pick her up and cover all costs if the original date stood. Loaning can be a real minefield!!! Never doing it again, although I would loan from someone else!
 
What a cheek!!! If you own a horse you take the rough with the smooth, makes me wonder if she would try and palm him/her back if he injured himself etc. etc. I would find someone else that wont muck you about (see below tee hee - now who's being cheeky!)

We are in sunny Suffolk -would love a nice calm Ned as our girl is a bit too much for me (ISH Chestnut mare vv fwd going) we wouldnt sell her as wouldnt want her to be sold on, so if we loaned her we wouldnt have funds for a new ned but would want something on a permanent basis - there must be tons of people like me that would bite your arm off for her.
 
Piglit said:
Well...I had my pony on loan to a lovely lady in her late 60s for years. Lots of times I wanted to take her back but didn't because I thought she was happy and didn't want to unsettle her until I was absolutely settled.

We found out that she had then sub-loaned to a younger girl who was working her like mad, jumping her and doing trials and all sorts (she was 16 at the time). She looked great and seemed well cared for so we left it as is.

Then we got a phone call from this girl directly to say that the mare had tied up and she didn't want to keep her if she couldn't ride her any more. The vet had apparently said it was because her field was muddy and she was working hard!!! I was a bit shocked but said that was ok we would sort something and gave her a date that we would defintely move her which was 3 weeks down the line, we were already covering 50% of the livery costs. That was on the Tuesday. The next day I get an email from the girl to say the mare had to go by the Saturday and the original loaner didn't want her either. So we were up pooh creek. I covered 50% of the vets bill to come out for the tying up.

Anyway, upshot of it was that we had to put her in a tiny patch for a week before we moved her to where she is now. The girl then had the cheek to ask for the fuel costs to be covered even though it had been made clear to her that we would pick her up and cover all costs if the original date stood. Loaning can be a real minefield!!! Never doing it again, although I would loan from someone else!
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You are too kind.

50%??

A loan is a loan, 100% loanee responsibility.
 
I think its ridiculous to send the animal back for the winter and expect to have it for riding in the spring. There's to many people out there that think they can do this though, and they seem to think they are doing the owners a favour.
 
Perhaps find out exactly why she feels she wont cope over the winter. There seems to be a lot of assumption on this thread that shes a fair weather rider and is being cheeky but the woman may have a genuine reason for sending him back over the winter. You wont know until you ask.

Of course if she doesn't, then you should immediately re-advertise him and just tell her you need someone more reliable to loan your boy so will be looking elsewhere for someone - if she is a fair weather rider you will only end up with him back next winter if you allow her to loan him again
 
HorseySam:) said:
Oh my. Poor you.
I see your frustration. However maybe she geniually cannot care for your horse in Winter. And wanting it back in spring? Isn't that good? At least she will be paying for the horse in Spring/Summer/Autumn. It shows she cares. And at least the horse won't be under cared for or get ill from the wrong care.
Wouldn't you rather your horse be happy and healthy rather than ill and unhappy?

Not having ago. Just Saying!
Sorry!
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I think the issue is that horses are relatively 'cheap' to keep during the fairer weather and often less work, especially if they are kept outdoors. Owning a horse is a huge responsibilty and not just when it is cheap, nice weather, less work.
 
HorseySam:) said:
I see where you are coming from, But maybe seen as she is elderely she cannot get to were she needs to go for the horse? Maybe she cannot care for the horse in the Winter months? She loves the horse, hence why she wants it back in the spring.
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I am of the opinion that if you take on a horse, you take responsibility for it completely, not just when it suits you.

If she can't care for it year round she can't have it, and whether she loves it or not is irrelevant.

Of course there might be a reason unrelated to the seasons why she can't keep it for a few months, but the OP made it sound as though the reason for wanting to give the horse back was the winter, which has an unfortunate habit of coming round every single year.

Unless of course anyone would like to take my two (and all their associated costs) over the winter? I'll have them back in the spring, ta :D
 
HorseySam:) said:
I see where you are coming from, But maybe seen as she is elderely she cannot get to were she needs to go for the horse? Maybe she cannot care for the horse in the Winter months? She loves the horse, hence why she wants it back in the spring.
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Bless you:rolleyes: the lady is in her 50s not "elderly" !!
As a lady in her 50s myself I am just as capable of looking after our horses as my daughter in her 20s - whatever the weather;)
 
HorseySam:) said:
I see where you are coming from, But maybe seen as she is elderely she cannot get to were she needs to go for the horse? Maybe she cannot care for the horse in the Winter months? She loves the horse, hence why she wants it back in the spring.
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ELDERLY?!?!?! are you having a complete laugh- the woman is in HER 50s??!?!?!
 
But if she knew she couldnt care for him in the winter then she shouldnt have taken him on in the nicer months either. Although I do know some one who had a loan arrangment for the summer only, the horse was a hunter and would go back to hunting in the winter with its owner.

OP I would find your self a better loaner there are plently out there that are willing to take on horses and care for them as if they are their own ALL year.
 
scatty_mare said:
Whereabouts are you?
The lady who shares my horse is looking for a nice, kind cob, and would probably consider loaning. I can give references, and she would NOT be giving any horse back as this will be my horse's companion!
So if you are looking for a new home and East Sussex is not too far, PM me.
If not, good luck and the woman sounds like an eejit! Hope you get it sorted.
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Thanks but I'm in Aberdeenshire
 
AND I didn't mention the fact that she weighs 15 stone and had lost her confidence to the extent where she was nervous to even ride. He has completely rebuilt her confidence. When I went to see him I got a bit suspicious as she was going on about how much work it was and having to poo pick every night after riding. I don't think she deserves him really. I brought him for hubby but he wasn't interested. He won heaps of dressage with me (70% +) so is a fantastic ride. And he would hack down the M4 and he jumps too.
 
I'd say - "Yes I feel that is cheeky! I will take him back but unfortunately I am not prepared to have myself or my horse messed about so no you can't have him back in spring!"

I'm sorry but this kind of behaviour is shocking and if she had a genuine reason surely she would have said.
 
Crikey! I would have a bit of a go at her for that! Are you very strict about how he is kept or can he live out all winter? I don't understand the committment issues here - she obviously had no intention of keeping him through the winter!

Tell her straight and get an advert sorted out immediately or you will be left holding "baby" through the winter yourself!
 
scarymare said:
AND I didn't mention the fact that she weighs 15 stone and had lost her confidence to the extent where she was nervous to even ride. He has completely rebuilt her confidence. When I went to see him I got a bit suspicious as she was going on about how much work it was and having to poo pick every night after riding. I don't think she deserves him really. I brought him for hubby but he wasn't interested. He won heaps of dressage with me (70% +) so is a fantastic ride. And he would hack down the M4 and he jumps too.
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That's some stamina hacking to the M4 from Aberdeen ;):p

It certainly sounds like a cheek to me. At the worst sheer laziness and even giving her the benefit of the doubt, if it is due to health issues she should have been up front about it when she took him on. If it's just dawned on her that the winter's going to be tough, she can't know that much about horses.

He sounds lovely so I'm sure you'll find him someone who will love and care for him 365 days a year. I'd take him back but certainly wouldn't let her have him again next spring.
 
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