So True, in my opinion....

Nigel

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Hi All,

So true.....from Richard Course (Ex League against cruel sports Chairman) in his submission to the Burns inquiry:-

SECTION 1: THE MOTIVES OF THE PROHIBITIONISTS

The campaign for the prohibition of hunting with dogs, which led to the Inquiry being set up, is driven by two, quite separate motives:

1. A laudable objection to cruelty to animals (animal welfare); and

2. A highly principled objection to tormenting and killing another living creature for fun (sport/recreation).

The second of these motives is better described as moral fundamentalism which is rarely a sound basis for legislation. In this particular case, "killing for fun" or "killing for sport" would inevitably put fishing and shooting at the top of such an agenda.

As the Government has recently assured shooting and fishing interests that their "sport is safe", it is clear that moral fundamentalism will not feature in the current political debate.

Indeed the Committee of Inquiry has not been asked to consider "ethical issues".

When it can be shown that some forms of hunting with dogs can be quicker and consequently more humane than, for example, snaring, most prohibitionists, including Members of Parliament, abandon animal welfare as their motive and reveal that an abhorrence of "killing for fun" is the underlying cause of objection.

They switch from how animals are killed to why animals are killed.


The how is relatively simple to deal with: do the other commonly-used methods of killing cause more or less suffering to the animal?

This is clearly an animal welfare issue.

The why is not so simple. Coarse fishing and game shooting are exclusively recreational, but hunting with dogs has a pest-control element attached to it if the quarry is a recognised pest species.

It was a wise decision to exclude the ethics from the Inquiry's report to the Secretary of State but the Inquiry should be aware that the underlying motive of the prohibitionists is, in fact, an ethical motive.
 

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Hi All,


Come on antis, the evidence has been there all along you knew you would cause more suffering and yet you still persisted with your spiteful little ban. And you ask why I refer to you as deluded nutters.

From Richard Course again,


If fox hunting is to be banned then these other relatively humane methods i.e. long dogs which are so similar in effect would also be banned, leaving shot gun shooting and snaring as the common fate of foxes.

THE SCENT HUNTING OR THE TRACKING DOWN ASPECTS OF FOXHUNTING CAUSE NO STRESS OR NO TRAUMA TO THE FOX who must be totally unaware of this major part of the hunt. How the fox is located is totally irrelevant to animal welfare considerations.

It took me ten years to realize that irrefutable fact - others will never realize it because bigotry, prejudice, narrow mindedness, class animosity and ignorance blind people to the truth.

It seems to me to be wrong to allow these highly undesirable features of human nature to influence legislation.

IT IS EVEN MORE PERVERSE TO REMOVE THE MOST HUMANE METHOD OF KILLING FOXES WHILST LEAVING IN PLACE METHODS THAT SO OBVIOUSLY CAUSE MUCH GREATER AND TOTALLY UNNATURAL SUFFERING

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Nigel
 

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"THE SCENT HUNTING OR THE TRACKING DOWN ASPECTS OF FOXHUNTING CAUSE NO STRESS OR NO TRAUMA TO THE FOX"

Ditto with deer, why is it illegal to track and follow deer with dogs when the motive is for observation. It's not cruel.

Thankfully I've checked with the police and they are not going to enforce this aspect of the legislation.

Who then decides which parts of the legislation are to be enforced and which aren't?

Who decides which laws we have to obey and which we can break?
 

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I fail to see how a pack of dogs sniffing for a particular scent and then following it constitute cruelty. What about a dog in Hyde Park following the scent of a grouncsquirrel or rabbit and tracking and chasing it? Utterly stupid legislation by socialist idiots....
 
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