So what is he? He's a mystery . . . pls help

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Kal was sold to us as a Polish WB - he's far too little and fine to be that, and we've always just said he's just some sort of sport horse. He is short in the back, which makes me think there's some Arab in there, plus he has a very pony like head (i.e., quite small for his body) . . . despite being 16.2hh, he gives the impression of being small and he rides very narrow. He has very upright, pony feet, quite a "quick" temperament and a very quick brain.

So what is he? What's your best guess? His passport is next to useless as the silhouette isn't even him!

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Apologies - pics may not show is confo properly.

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I am rubbish at this.. however until I saw the ridden photo, I had Irish Draught in mind!
He looks completely different under saddle. Lovely horse, whatever he is :)
 
blitznbobs said:
He's super.., perhaps he's a Heinz 57 but he looks special enough to me if u don't want him I'll have him...
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Oh he's not going anywhere ;). Love him right down to his little mongrel socks . . . but thank you very much.

It's funny, you can't see it in these pictures, but he does has have a splash of arab about his face (perhaps it's b/c his head is so darned small). I certainly see TB in there (I've had people swear he was full up TB and they may be right).

Anyone see anything else?

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Who cares, he's lovely!

He looks like he's got the frame of a TB in there but a tad bit of ID too, either way he's a cracker what ever is in there.
 
Agree Polish WB/Sportshorse, as far as I know it's an open studbook so you get a greater range/variety of horse 'types'.

My boy is Belgian WB and is actually at least 1/2 tb (sire was French tb); think dam was arabx - people don't seem to realise that most warmbloods are 'heinz 57' really :)

ETA here he is, when he is fully fit even racehorse trainers have mistaken him for full tb - and he's only 15.3hh and fine.

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CeeBee said:
I am rubbish at this.. however until I saw the ridden photo, I had Irish Draught in mind!
He looks completely different under saddle. Lovely horse, whatever he is :)
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I agree, he does look different under saddle . . . but what his pics don't show is how little he is . . . he's 16.2hh but very slight/pony like. Defo not IDx . . . too little for that. And thank you . . . I love him to bits.

Isn't there a lighter Polish breed . . . Malopolski . . . could he have that in there?

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rhino said:
Agree Polish WB/Sportshorse, as far as I know it's an open studbook so you get a greater range/variety of horse 'types'.

My boy is Belgian WB and is actually at least 1/2 tb (sire was French tb); think dam was arabx - people don't seem to realise that most warmbloods are 'heinz 57' really :)
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See this is what I was thinking . . . alot of tb in there (which is so not what I planned to buy!) and some anglo arab and some who knows what! Good to hear from another continental sport horse owner . . . thank you.

Without any info in his (wrong!) passport it's hard to know.

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Waffles said:
I'd say he's about 3/4 TB - the face looks like a bit Clydesdale - that slight bend out in the front of the face. He looks a solid sort.
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I agree with you about the bend in his face - that sure tells draught to me - but he's anything but solid . . . his pics are very deceiving and he's actually a little boy. He's tall, yes (16.2hh) but quite weedy-looking in the flesh. He's strong, though - and although he's a wuss about leadership, etc., he's physically very tough and strong (stoic about being injured).

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I have added a photo of my horse to my previous post - you'll see he's an even smaller, lighter version of your boy :)

Your horse looks a lovely sort (well I would say that) but I don't fancy all the cleaning that would be involved ;)

PS how old is he? WB types can continue to fill out and don't seem to look mature until they are 8/9 sometimes
 
rhino said:
I have added a photo of my horse to my previous post - you'll see he's an even smaller, lighter version of your boy :)

Your horse looks a lovely sort (well I would say that) but I don't fancy all the cleaning that would be involved ;)
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Yup . . . he's pretty high maintenance . . . I've discovered that (Tesco's own) washing up liquid is an acceptable (and far cheaper) alternative to all those expensive shampoos.

Hustling off to look at your lovely boy.

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Waffles said:
I mean he looks strong around the shoulders and bum although he has skinny legs. Probably ideal for jumping!
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Oh that's true . . . he finds flatwork hard b/c a) he's never had to do it properly and b) he lacks the right musculature for it (now) . . . but he lives to jump and has steeplechased, hunted and show jumped alot in the past.

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i would stick with polish wb to be honest, i dont see any arab, i see tb, which is pretty much what wb is made up of. mine is a french wb, mine has a very big 'horse' head, dont think yours is particually small for his body in the photos??

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He is lovely - he could well be a WB. My siggy pic is my Westphalian - he is really slim and leggy which is a) down to his young age 6 yrs old (takes til 8 to mature properly) and b) TB was introduced to many of the WB lines to 'lighten' these what were traditionally strapping carriage horses to make the modern athletic and versatile WB sport horse of today. Mine has 'Lauries Crusador' who was a pure TB in his line. If you look at the likes of Sandro Hit this stallion is very light weight and elegant. :)

Incidentally I read your 'early settling' problems with Kal with interest. He is lucky to have an intuitive owner who made things right for him. Lovely horse.
 
PolarSkye, just to clarify, Polish Warmblood is not a breed as such, basically, everything bred in Poland, if it can't be classified as Arab, Anglo-arab, Trakehner, TB or a Silesian horse is called what would translate directly as A Polish Horse of Noble Half Blood :D, which is essentially a Warmblood (a cross between draught/heavier breed and one of the ''pure'' breeds). I hope it makes a bit of sense :o What I'm trying to say is Polish WB come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, with various percentage of TB in their blood, but typically (not always) have also some Arab blood in them.
 
YasandCrystal said:
He is lovely - he could well be a WB. My siggy pic is my Westphalian - he is really slim and leggy which is a) down to his young age 6 yrs old (takes til 8 to mature properly) and b) TB was introduced to many of the WB lines to 'lighten' these what were traditionally strapping carriage horses to make the modern athletic and versatile WB sport horse of today. Mine has 'Lauries Crusador' who was a pure TB in his line. If you look at the likes of Sandro Hit this stallion is very light weight and elegant. :)

Incidentally I read your 'early settling' problems with Kal with interest. He is lucky to have an intuitive owner who made things right for him. Lovely horse.
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Thank you - this actually brought tears to my eyes . . . both your description of him as elegant (he is in person, I just hope with the help of our physio we can help be this way when he moves under saddle . . . at the moment he is quite "locked") . . . and what you said about how we helped him through his initial problems.

I love him alot . . . and I am privileged to have discovered what a lovely horse he CAN be before he became so very unhappy . . . I feel it's my job to make sure he's happy and settled so that we can have the very best relationship possible (which certainly doesn't mean he gets mollycoddled) and that he has the very best opportunity to behave/perform under saddle. He actually likes being ridden and enjoys working . . . but he does need the "right" environment to be happy and comfortable. I never want to go back to those days when he was so very unhappy and stressed - it was awful to see him like that.

He's a little like the the little girl in the nursery rhyme . . . "when she was good she was very, very good and when she was bad, she was horrid" . . . I don't think Kal sets out to be "horrid" but when he's stressed or unhappy but he really is a nightmare to know and handle, so it's my job to make sure he has a safe, happy, secure environment to live in.

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martlin said:
PolarSkye, just to clarify, Polish Warmblood is not a breed as such, basically, everything bred in Poland, if it can't be classified as Arab, Anglo-arab, Trakehner, TB or a Silesian horse is called what would translate directly as A Polish Horse of Noble Half Blood :D, which is essentially a Warmblood (a cross between draught/heavier breed and one of the ''pure'' breeds). I hope it makes a bit of sense :o What I'm trying to say is Polish WB come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, with various percentage of TB in their blood, but typically (not always) have also some Arab blood in them.
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Interesting . . . his passport (well, we all know the issues I've had with this - however) describes him as (from the Polish to English translation) "Noble" . . . which would fit.

So he's probably as described - a Polish "Warmblood" . . . with a high degree of TB, some draught somewhere and some Anglo Arab which would account for his short back (he's very short-coupled - which may be why he is able to overtrack despite being very tight behind).

My lovely little Polish mongrel ;).

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