Some poor horses

We don't know the horses have not had hay for 2 days. OP assumes this because there was no round bale sitting outside the field. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the owner may also have square bales and brings some sections up at night time when the OP is not doing her 30 second drive-by twice a day. If, as the OP states, the horses are NOT skin and bone, then they ARE getting fed something, otherwise they most definitely would be skin and bone. OP why don't you take a picture of them next time you pass? It's very difficult for anyone on a forum to grasp that the horses are a 'serious neglect case' when in an earlier post you say they are 'not skin and bone' but rather 'generally poor'.
 
I'm concerned about a youngster I drive past four times a day. Not quite ready to contact the BHS lady yet, but when I did a year ago (about said foal) she was great. :)

Unfortunately at that time, the poor foal had to be hospitalised - I'm keeping a close eye on things. :(
 
I don't think anyone has said that the OP shouldn't be contacting the welfare agencies or is doing a 'bad job' by keeping on at them, and i agree, well done to her, far too many people turn a blind eye to unnecessary suffering.

Of course the horses will be feeling pretty down, but unless their lives are in immediate danger there really is little that they can do other than advise the owner. I'd imagine the fact that the owner is providing some food, albeit not regularly is complicating things as their condition won't be as bad as if they were starved.

Just to add that I had a non horsey person make a remark about my poor horse stood waiting for food, I thought nothing of it at the time; but they saw a horse that was stood at a gate, desperately shouting for her bucket when I appeared, with no other visible food in sight.
Fact is she knows what time she gets fed so stands waiting, and while she's stood at the gate in an apparently empty field she had a full haynet in her stable with permanent acess, but to an onlooker it may look quite different.

I'm sure the relevant authorities will investigate and take action if needed, but the op staying involved is a good thing imo.
 
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Redwings, bhs, whw will only take horses that are either signed over to them by the owner, or part of a prosecution undertaken by either local authority or rspca. They provide advice other than that. I am sure that if Bhs have told op that they are monitoring and that numerous agencies are involved, that the matter is in hand.
 
Spring Feather said:
We don't know the horses have not had hay for 2 days. OP assumes this because there was no round bale sitting outside the field. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the owner may also have square bales and brings some sections up at night time when the OP is not doing her 30 second drive-by twice a day. If, as the OP states, the horses are NOT skin and bone, then they ARE getting fed something, otherwise they most definitely would be skin and bone. OP why don't you take a picture of them next time you pass? It's very difficult for anyone on a forum to grasp that the horses are a 'serious neglect case' when in an earlier post you say they are 'not skin and bone' but rather 'generally poor'.
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Exactly right .
 
Thanks for the sensible replies, not really interested in people telling me I'm wrong I'm making it up I'm exaggerating. I don't need to take a photo and post as I'm not asking for an opinion from moomin or such likes as to whether they are suffering. I leave it to the authorities to asses that not some know it alls on a forum! Makes you wonder just how many on here just drive on by or turn a blind eye. At a yard I was at once there was a horse being neglected, left in for days with no hay only a bucket of hard food a day, never mucked out for a week at a time. Obviously I told lady who owned place but she knew what was going on, she was just hoping they would leave soon as horse for sale. Well I'm sorry but that isn't good enough so I turned it out and gave it hay and water myself until it sold. Some people just mustn't have a conscience!
 
weebarney said:
Thanks for the sensible replies, not really interested in people telling me I'm wrong I'm making it up I'm exaggerating. I don't need to take a photo and post as I'm not asking for an opinion from moomin or such likes as to whether they are suffering. I leave it to the authorities to asses that not some know it alls on a forum! Makes you wonder just how many on here just drive on by or turn a blind eye. At a yard I was at once there was a horse being neglected, left in for days with no hay only a bucket of hard food a day, never mucked out for a week at a time. Obviously I told lady who owned place but she knew what was going on, she was just hoping they would leave soon as horse for sale. Well I'm sorry but that isn't good enough so I turned it out and gave it hay and water myself until it sold. Some people just mustn't have a conscience!
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Not sure why you need to post all then TBH.
Welfare orgs know about the horses I am sure if they feel they can act within the law they will.
 
weebarney said:
Thanks for the sensible replies, not really interested in people telling me I'm wrong I'm making it up I'm exaggerating. I don't need to take a photo and post as I'm not asking for an opinion from moomin or such likes as to whether they are suffering. I leave it to the authorities to asses that not some know it alls on a forum! Makes you wonder just how many on here just drive on by or turn a blind eye. At a yard I was at once there was a horse being neglected, left in for days with no hay only a bucket of hard food a day, never mucked out for a week at a time. Obviously I told lady who owned place but she knew what was going on, she was just hoping they would leave soon as horse for sale. Well I'm sorry but that isn't good enough so I turned it out and gave it hay and water myself until it sold. Some people just mustn't have a conscience!
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Haha, I find it quite funny that you say you wonder how many people 'just drive on by'. That's exactly what you are doing, given the fact you don't appear to have actually taken the effort to assess their bc properly or check if there is in fact water in the trough. I see 'serious' welfare issues day in day out, and I'm talking animals being burnt alive, tortured, severely neglected, emaciated, dead and dying. I most certainly do not 'drive on by'.

I also find it quite funny how you say you will 'leave it to the authorities to decide if they are suffering or not, rather than some know it alls on a forum'! You are doing precisely the opposite of that. You say you are not satisfied that the authorities are doing anything to prevent these horses from suffering, and you have posted it on a forum asking for people's advice. :rolleyes:

You obviously seem to think you know better than BHS, Trading Standards, the police and such like, so why don't YOU go and tackle the owner of the horses, and take them off him/her.

Seriously, if this is how you are speaking to the authorities on the phone when they tell you they are not removing these horses, then I should think you are extremely unpopular.
 
Spring Feather said:
We don't know the horses have not had hay for 2 days. OP assumes this because there was no round bale sitting outside the field. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the owner may also have square bales and brings some sections up at night time when the OP is not doing her 30 second drive-by twice a day. If, as the OP states, the horses are NOT skin and bone, then they ARE getting fed something, otherwise they most definitely would be skin and bone. OP why don't you take a picture of them next time you pass? It's very difficult for anyone on a forum to grasp that the horses are a 'serious neglect case' when in an earlier post you say they are 'not skin and bone' but rather 'generally poor'.
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Im sorry OP, but I agree with Spring Feather.

Driving by twice a day cant give you an accurate picture of whats really happening, but if the authorities are already involved then you'll just have to accept that they are doing their job regardless of whether you actually see any action taken

I cant sit here and happily agree with you that these horses are being "neglected" without a bit more to go on than you havent seen them fed and watered just from driving your car past twice a day
 
weebarney said:
Thanks for the sensible replies, not really interested in people telling me I'm wrong I'm making it up I'm exaggerating. I don't need to take a photo and post as I'm not asking for an opinion from moomin or such likes as to whether they are suffering. I leave it to the authorities to asses that not some know it alls on a forum! Makes you wonder just how many on here just drive on by or turn a blind eye. At a yard I was at once there was a horse being neglected, left in for days with no hay only a bucket of hard food a day, never mucked out for a week at a time. Obviously I told lady who owned place but she knew what was going on, she was just hoping they would leave soon as horse for sale. Well I'm sorry but that isn't good enough so I turned it out and gave it hay and water myself until it sold. Some people just mustn't have a conscience!
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Then I'm confused to why you even posted in the first place :confused:

As to accusing us of just driving on by, I'm afraid you couldn't be further from the truth. I most certainly would not stop at doing a 30 second drive-by twice a day if I was seeing any horse in distress. I get out of my car and go and take a closer look and check around the field for evidence that someone is taking care of said horses. I live in an area where there are SERIOUS neglect cases; horses are literally dying in front of your eyes, not just in 'generally poor condition'. There is a BIG difference, and I for one was not convinced that you knew the difference, because your first post does not tally with your later posts. There's nothing wrong with that, in fact it's a good thing that so many people haven't had the experience of seeing horrifically emaciated horses. If the horses you have posted about are truly serious neglect cases, such as some of the horses that I see on my travels, then they will be attended and some action will be taken by the relevant authorities. If they aren't, then the authorities will keep monitoring them.
 
Spring Feather said:
Then I'm confused to why you even posted in the first place :confused:

As to accusing us of just driving on by, I'm afraid you couldn't be further from the truth. I most certainly would not stop at doing a 30 second drive-by twice a day if I was seeing any horse in distress. I get out of my car and go and take a closer look and check around the field for evidence that someone is taking care of said horses. I live in an area where there are SERIOUS neglect cases; horses are literally dying in front of your eyes, not just in 'generally poor condition'. There is a BIG difference, and I for one was not convinced that you knew the difference, because your first post does not tally with your later posts. There's nothing wrong with that, in fact it's a good thing that so many people haven't had the experience of seeing horrifically emaciated horses. If the horses you have posted about are truly serious neglect cases, such as some of the horses that I see on my travels, then they will be attended and some action will be taken by the relevant authorities. If they aren't, then the authorities will keep monitoring them.
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Ahh the voice of reason. Thank goodness there are some sensible minded people who CAN see the wood from the trees...:)

OP not only appears to jump to conclusions very easily about somebody's care of their horses, but she also appears to jump to conclusions that nobody who has posted on this thread may, just MAY, have an extensive involvement in severe and serious welfare cases.:rolleyes:
 
Moomin1 said:
To be honest, OP is making herself out to sound a bit like a busy body more than anything else.
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I don't know. It sounds more to me that she's a bit naive and hasn't the experience of dealing with (or seeing many) emaciated horses. I think the OP genuinely believes these horses are serious welfare cases and that's okay, even if they're not. She hasn't done anything wrong by contacting the welfare organisations, but now she needs to let them do their job. I personally would never call a welfare organisation on the basis of a quick drive-by twice a day; I have to have hard evidence in front of me before I take it further.
 
Spring Feather said:
I don't know. It sounds more to me that she's a bit naive and hasn't the experience of dealing with (or seeing many) emaciated horses. I think the OP genuinely believes these horses are serious welfare cases and that's okay, even if they're not. She hasn't done anything wrong by contacting the welfare organisations, but now she needs to let them do their job. I personally would never call a welfare organisation on the basis of a quick drive-by twice a day; I have to have hard evidence in front of me before I take it further.
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It is sometimes very difficult for some people not involved in welfare work to understand that having a deeply miserable time and a actionable welfare case are not the same thing , it's one of the hardest thing to do sometimes , manage peoples expectations .
 
Yes possibly I am being too harsh by saying that. Apologies.

I do agree that OP sounds very naive with regards welfare cases, and that it's not at all a bad thing that she has got the authorities involved. I just think that OP needs to take a step back now, and realise that in the grand scheme of things, she doesn't appear to be in possession of much fact about the situation, and that the authorities will know a lot more about it than she will.
 
Moomin1 said:
Haha, I find it quite funny that you say you wonder how many people 'just drive on by'. That's exactly what you are doing, given the fact you don't appear to have actually taken the effort to assess their bc properly or check if there is in fact water in the trough. I see 'serious' welfare issues day in day out, and I'm talking animals being burnt alive, tortured, severely neglected, emaciated, dead and dying. I most certainly do not 'drive on by'.

I also find it quite funny how you say you will 'leave it to the authorities to decide if they are suffering or not, rather than some know it alls on a forum'! You are doing precisely the opposite of that. You say you are not satisfied that the authorities are doing anything to prevent these horses from suffering, and you have posted it on a forum asking for people's advice. :rolleyes:

You obviously seem to think you know better than BHS, Trading Standards, the police and such like, so why don't YOU go and tackle the owner of the horses, and take them off him/her.

Seriously, if this is how you are speaking to the authorities on the phone when they tell you they are not removing these horses, then I should think you are extremely unpopular.
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Moomin read my posts again, I have contacted the BHS twice so how is that just driving on by and doing nothing. I have seen many things you have posted and haven't been impressed by your lack of giving any useful information. I got on perfectly well with the BHS lady but of course not only do you know the horses circumstances you also know how my phone call went. I don't recall specifically asking for advice either, your attention to detail is poor.
 
weebarney said:
Moomin read my posts again, I have contacted the BHS twice so how is that just driving on by and doing nothing. I have seen many things you have posted and haven't been impressed by your lack of giving any useful information. I got on perfectly well with the BHS lady but of course not only do you know the horses circumstances you also know how my phone call went. I don't recall specifically asking for advice either, your attention to detail is poor.
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I couldn't give two turds whether you don't like what I post.

My opinion is that you have rung the BHS with very little factual information whatsoever, and based everything on a drive by glance, without actually getting out of your car to assess the situation properly.

You then throw your toys out of the pram when you don't like people's answers on this thread.

Why exactly did you post this thread OP? For what gain?
 
Moomin1 said:
I couldn't give two turds whether you don't like what I post.

My opinion is that you have rung the BHS with very little factual information whatsoever, and based everything on a drive by glance, without actually getting out of your car to assess the situation properly.

You then throw your toys out of the pram when you don't like people's answers on this thread.

Why exactly did you post this thread OP? For what gain?
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Have you tapped my phone? How do you know what I said to the BHS?
 
Well either you told them what you have told us, or you aren't telling us what you really told then, in which case how can you expect anybody on here to make an informed judgement of the situation?
 
Moomin1 said:
Well either you told them what you have told us, or you aren't telling us what you really told then, in which case how can you expect anybody on here to make an informed judgement of the situation?
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i havent asked anyone to give an informed judgement. I was merely stating how i felt helpless for the horses. No one on the forum can make an informed judgement about this. I have told them what i have said on here plus a whole lot more but maybe you cannot get your head round that.
 
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A little update on these horses, they were without hay for at least 4 days, then about 2 days ago they had another round bale. Today i pass and there are notices all over the fence( propb 30 or more notices) saying no grazing owners will be prosecuted. On the way back past them i notice some letters on the fence also. Now i can see from the road if they have hay but i cant read A4 letters from there. Anyway the letters were from the bhs saying something along the lines of, 'abandonment notice, you (the owner) have no permission to be on here . horses must be removed immediately. blah blah...'Then another one saying something about 'you have made no attempt to improve the conditions for these horses ....then quotes from animal welfare act. If they are not removed we will take further action. '
This is just brief of what was on the letters as i had a toddler in the car who wanted her dinner. And suprise surprise there was nothing in the water trough!
 
Just a final update on these horses. They were removed by the owner on the day they were due to be confiscated(don't know if thats the correct term), the land owner has now ploughed his field so no one else can fly graze. I dont know where these poor creatures have gone but I just hope its a better field with some grass in it.
 
I think a lot of people think the welfare organisations can do things for animals that do not have care we would class a essential when in actual fact they can do very little. The land owner got these animals removed by serving an abdonment notice and they will probabely be dumped in someone elses field.
This winter there a hundreds of equine suffering starvation to the point of death, often their owners are not known or extreemly difficult to trace. Its difficult to procecute someone for neglect and expensive and when they are taken to court the chances are if they are found guilty they have no assets so they will not get their costs, so wether we like it or not charities are being pragmatic
 
honetpot said:
I think a lot of people think the welfare organisations can do things for animals that do not have care we would class a essential when in actual fact they can do very little. The land owner got these animals removed by serving an abdonment notice and they will probabely be dumped in someone elses field.
This winter there a hundreds of equine suffering starvation to the point of death, often their owners are not known or extreemly difficult to trace. Its difficult to procecute someone for neglect and expensive and when they are taken to court the chances are if they are found guilty they have no assets so they will not get their costs, so wether we like it or not charities are being pragmatic
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Sadly your are right.
I always make sure mine have a roof over their head or a field to graze in. Food in their bellies and are not hungry and water to drink.

Pennies are tight I agree but I would sooner be hungry then my horses, I have a choice they dont.

Breaks my heart to see things like this :(
 
weebarney said:
i havent asked anyone to give an informed judgement. I was merely stating how i felt helpless for the horses. No one on the forum can make an informed judgement about this. I have told them what i have said on here plus a whole lot more but maybe you cannot get your head round that.
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You are very abrasive Op, saw this thread ages ago and wanted to comment, but didn't, if i had, it wouldn't have ran for 6 pges.
I can comment because I have stopped to say hello to those youngsters many times. Hay is left outside the field because the field is waterlogged, the access point to hay is baler twine, not barbed wire, the ponies are not skin and bone and do move around.
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While conditions are not ideal, there are worse fields in that area, but I have rarely seen no hay at all during the winter and there is usually a smaller puddle
year round for water, not ideal but water.
I have passed that field daily for 12 yrs and stopped often, but have seen far worse cases on livery yards.
Never mind, at least that field can no longer be used, don't worry that the ponies are probably now tethered on some playing field.
 
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