Some questions about Eventing

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I'm a newbie to all this Eventing terminology so wondered if someone with some patience could answer some of my questions please?

First off, the results section on the BE website. Could you explain which section means i.e. D (I guess this is dressage) SJ (Show jumping) SJT XCJ XCT? And how the marks are given?

What is an excellent mark, average mark and bad mark?

For example, a horse got a total of 98.10 which consisted of 38.5 for D, 40.0 for XCJ and 19.6 for XCT - is that a good mark?

Also I am a newbie to eventing and BSJA but if I bought a horse registered with both does that mean I'd have to start at the level of the last rider? Or can I start at the bottom?
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I'll probably think of some others but that will do for the time being!
 
d = dressage
sj= showjumping
sjw = showjumping time penalties
xc = cross country jumping
xct = cross country time penalties

a VERY good dressage is between 20-30 (70-80%) less than 20 is exceptional. 30-40 is good 40-50 is not bad but not great (50-60%)

SJ depends on venue but obviously 0 is best and same with showjumping time penalties normally the time especially at lower levels should be easy.

XC you want as little as possible personally except for a young horse or a first run I wouldn't want to see more than 1 or 2 stops xc (20 pens per stop) so 40 would be a bad run. Obviously if looking at a horse's record a few 40 or 60 penalties at the beginning of its career is excuseable if since it has jumped consistent clears.

XCT well normally times are hard to get especially at the beginning of the season. 20 or less XCT seems to be a good benchmark but always compare to the rest of the class as it varies by event and going.

Overall less than 50 is a good score, a lot of intros and PNs even novices are won in the low 20s especially later in the season when the ground is good and the time is therefore easier to get inside of. Once you get to international comps eg starred events the scoring is different for the dressage so 70% will get more than 30 penalties. think it is a factor of 1.5 so 70% = 45 penalties but I am almost certainly wrong LOL
 
The lower the better,if you have bought a horse with winnings you may have to compete at that level but there are open pre novice which you may be able to do but in bsja I think you will have to jump at the level of the horses winnings although you can go non competitive ,till you are confident ,in a lower class
 
Depends on her BSJA winnings. Her BE record is not good so doesn't add to value (may even reduce it). I would say probably around £3k -£3.5k but as I said, does depend on her BSJA winnings / record.
If you were buying a horse to event I probably wouldn't go for this one.
 
Just looked at the record. That doesn't make for a promising eventer I'm afraid, or it may just be that the rider wasn't up to it!

Either way the horse will have learn't to stop. I would want to see more completions. Has it done well unaff?

What is it's BSJA like?
 
I'm not sure what it's been like unaff for BSJA. I've been trying to search the internet for records.

When I phoned up the woman who I was speaking to was just a livery/friend of the seller as the seller doesn't have a clue how to answer horsey questions apparently! She said she's only been riding a year and it was for husband/wife share and instead of a 'calm plod' they came home with a competition horse. The woman fell off and lost her confidence.
Horse was up for £6500 then reduced to £5000 but was hoping to get them down to £4500, as she said they'd negotiate.

I take it the 'R' in the records means refuse!

I don't think I will view her afterall. I did want a gelding but something about her that appealed. Oh well. Carry on searching.
 
Ah right. So does that mean she was down to do something but decided not to in the end?

I want a horse mainly for dressage and a bit of SJ. Is the dressage side of her scoring OK?
 
Oh dear - you do indeed have a lot to learn. Hae you never watched a SJ or eventing competition? Retired means the rider started a round but did not complete because they had problems and decided not to try to complete it.
 
Dressage is not great TBH! All about 50-55% would want 30s if at all interested in persuing dressage. And yes, means she gave up in the middle of doing something!!!
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I only tend to 'retire' when I have a strong feeling that things are not going to imporve and I don't want an 'E' next to my name!! Realistically R and E often mean more or less the same thing.

The other reason why I may retire is if I have reason to think the horse is unsound. Also not a good thing if you are looking to buy it.
 
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Oh dear - you do indeed have a lot to learn. Hae you never watched a SJ or eventing competition? Retired means the rider started a round but did not complete because they had problems and decided not to try to complete it.

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Wow - excuse ME for not knowing everything! I said I'm a newbie to it - so if it annoys you why bother replying?
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As I said, dressage is my main interest.
 
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I only tend to 'retire' when I have a strong feeling that things are not going to imporve and I don't want an 'E' next to my name!! Realistically R and E often mean more or less the same thing.

The other reason why I may retire is if I have reason to think the horse is unsound. Also not a good thing if you are looking to buy it.

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Thanks to everyone who was helpful
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I'm not going to bother looking at her now as it's a long way to go and the cons are outweighing the pros. Plenty of others out there though
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Sorry - I was surprised rather than annoyed by you never having seen a competition in which a competitor chose to retire. Good luck wth your search for a suitable horse.
 
I'm only indirectly involved with horses via my daughter/son in law but it sounds much too expensive for what it's done. Good luck with your search for a horse and don't be afraid to ask for opinions again from the experienced posters (not me) who frequent this forum.
 
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