fornema
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Is it me or would this horse http://www.horsemart.co.uk/advert/2_yrs_6_mths_14_0_hh_bay_welsh_sec_d_kent/32371 must have been backed when it was just over 2. Do some people realise what they are doing?
Sooo Young
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Cliqmo
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Really very scary isn't it?
3Beasties
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I would love to buy him, Poor little guy
Ezme
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Rescued as a foal... so more than likely if not truly malnourish, deficient in something and broken at 2. Stupid people and I would tell them so if I went to view.
Earlier today I saw a YEARLING for sale on one of the websites that had been longlined in traffic... alarm bells.... wonder what else it's done....
Earlier today I saw a YEARLING for sale on one of the websites that had been longlined in traffic... alarm bells.... wonder what else it's done....
fornema
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Seriously a 2 n a half year old section d colt with a 9 year old dosnt sound all there hmmm i feel sorry for the poor chap
mealrigghallstud
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It's so scary but happens so much nowadays, someone locally to me drives yearlings, and have seen him out on a drive with a cob yearling for 4 hrs on a hot summer day with 4 people in the cart!! His excuse - everyone has their methods and besides it looks strong enough - makes me so angry!!!! It happens alot in friesians too as they are so nice natured and look chunky at 2 that people break them in at 2 to ride and drive - you often see 2yr olds that are ride and drive for sale!
Peacelily
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well, especially if it's done by experienced people. Ok they're not expected to use their brain to0 much but still walk/trot/canter/gallop and hurdle in an acceptable fashion and develop good fitness.
There is also evidence to suggest that younger atheletes (human and equine) are more adapted to cope with physical exercise compared to those who start training later on in life and go onto have less problems associated with them.
Just a thought...
However the look of the advert is a bit suspect putting a 9 year old on it - that might end in tears...!
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well, especially if it's done by experienced people. Ok they're not expected to use their brain to0 much but still walk/trot/canter/gallop and hurdle in an acceptable fashion and develop good fitness.
There is also evidence to suggest that younger atheletes (human and equine) are more adapted to cope with physical exercise compared to those who start training later on in life and go onto have less problems associated with them.
Just a thought...
However the look of the advert is a bit suspect putting a 9 year old on it - that might end in tears...!
Ezme
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The exception with TB's is they were bred to grow fast and don't need to lay down so much bone, a Welsh D doesn't finish growing untill at least 5.
We have started driving horses at 2 1/2 but I mean litterally Started, wearing harness, pulling a light carriage on the flat for 10mins. The reasoning being they are big chaps (heavies and heavy crosses) so you occupy their brains before they have too much strength. They don't work by any stretch of the imagination till 4 when they start harness work propperly and are backed.
We have started driving horses at 2 1/2 but I mean litterally Started, wearing harness, pulling a light carriage on the flat for 10mins. The reasoning being they are big chaps (heavies and heavy crosses) so you occupy their brains before they have too much strength. They don't work by any stretch of the imagination till 4 when they start harness work propperly and are backed.
MistletoeMegan
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
fornema
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
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Hmmm well my old ex racer showed the results of being broken in so early 10 years down the line and your saying they cope with it well she had arthiritis in her knees and a weak back and your saying it dont make a difference. Also look at how many racers actually make it onto the course and you will see such a small proportion it isnt worth it
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
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Hmmm well my old ex racer showed the results of being broken in so early 10 years down the line and your saying they cope with it well she had arthiritis in her knees and a weak back and your saying it dont make a difference. Also look at how many racers actually make it onto the course and you will see such a small proportion it isnt worth it
JadeWisc
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It is more common than not to start a healthy horse under saddle at the age of two where I am from.
A 3 year old that has never been backed here is considered behind schedule.
A 3 year old that has never been backed here is considered behind schedule.
JadeWisc
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
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Well a large TB and a tiny jockey on it's back would hardly murder any horse. What does them in is how hard they are run and how they are trained.
Mild riding under saddle will not hurt any healthy horse at age two provided the rider and work load are appropriate.
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hi all,
just to be a bit controversial - in racing they're broken in very young and deal with it really well
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Yes, the hundreds of knackered TBs each year that don't even make it onto the track is a sign that they deal with it really well. The ones that break down after a handful of races is another good indicator of their ability to cope with fast work before they're fully developed.
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Well a large TB and a tiny jockey on it's back would hardly murder any horse. What does them in is how hard they are run and how they are trained.
Mild riding under saddle will not hurt any healthy horse at age two provided the rider and work load are appropriate.
mealrigghallstud
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Any extra weight on any animals joints that the growth plates have not fused in will cause damage - there is no excuse at all for breaking in a horse at 2 - no matter how mature it looks on the outside and regardless of how strong it is - the only reasons for doing it are to make money and to make up for not being able to handle a horse when it is full grown because of lack of handling/knowledge or the fact the horse is simply not ready to fit in with modern standards of everything must be done right now.
Saying that TB's/quarter horses are bred to mature faster is rubbish - yes they are bred to physically LOOK more mature on the outside but regardless of breed they all mature at the same rates - does anyone have the link to the study done in the US on growth rates?
Simply put the racing industry cares about one thing - money and nothing else - horses are disposable - I have picked up several of these over the years that cost someone a fortune to breed but they didn't do what was expected on the first and second race so a new one was bought and the old cast out!!! I have no problem with actually racing horses but I do disagree totally the fact they are broken in at 2 - why is it that the biggest number of horses sent to slaughter are off the track TB's?? - doesn't that tell you something? And why is it so many that are saved are not sound by the age of 10yrs?
I know in the US quarter horses are frequently broken in young but I think that is the fault of all these shows/futurities that encourage 2 yr old horses to be broken in by giving huge prize money - again all money orientated and sod the horses. If everyone stopped taking 2yr olds to these shows/races then and made it socially unacceptable to do it then I'm sure the attitude would be far better and the public face of these sports would be better - and more importantly the horses would be better off. It would also help stop people churning out animals at a rate of knots as they have to have them a year more in the field. This is one topic that really gets me mad!!! Why are we all in such a rush - I don't start mine until 4 or 5!
Saying that TB's/quarter horses are bred to mature faster is rubbish - yes they are bred to physically LOOK more mature on the outside but regardless of breed they all mature at the same rates - does anyone have the link to the study done in the US on growth rates?
Simply put the racing industry cares about one thing - money and nothing else - horses are disposable - I have picked up several of these over the years that cost someone a fortune to breed but they didn't do what was expected on the first and second race so a new one was bought and the old cast out!!! I have no problem with actually racing horses but I do disagree totally the fact they are broken in at 2 - why is it that the biggest number of horses sent to slaughter are off the track TB's?? - doesn't that tell you something? And why is it so many that are saved are not sound by the age of 10yrs?
I know in the US quarter horses are frequently broken in young but I think that is the fault of all these shows/futurities that encourage 2 yr old horses to be broken in by giving huge prize money - again all money orientated and sod the horses. If everyone stopped taking 2yr olds to these shows/races then and made it socially unacceptable to do it then I'm sure the attitude would be far better and the public face of these sports would be better - and more importantly the horses would be better off. It would also help stop people churning out animals at a rate of knots as they have to have them a year more in the field. This is one topic that really gets me mad!!! Why are we all in such a rush - I don't start mine until 4 or 5!
JadeWisc
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Feel better now?
A horse here not broken by age 4 or 5 would be overlooked and considered way behind and It could be deemed worth less and in turn (some will argue) could take it to slaughter far faster here.
Why do you suppose all the racehorses are slaughter bound? Not because a man that weighs 90lbs is riding it is it?
Hell no
It is because of how they are trained and how hard they are run. Also how they are bred.
Most of the horses I have known thorugh my life have been started lightly being ridden at two and I cannot think of one that was broke down by ten or lame. I guess it depends on what you are doing with them.
I will never forgot me posting a pic on here of a 5 year old girl sitting on a large 2 yo filly. The reactions I got from some of the people on HHO were hysterical and had me cracking up for hours. As if that little girl would stress that horses joints.
I suppose I also will not be sending my poor fragile little horsies out in rugs most of the year either or keeping them all locked in at night when it rains.
You want to see cold....come to Wisconsin in January...you'll never see my horses shiver either.
I guess horses are stronger and tougher than most people on here think.
In no way am I suggesting that a horse should be jumping giant fences or doing hours of cutting work at two with a 200lb man on them but nobody will ever convince me that a healthy 2yo cannot be started under saddle with the right rider doing light work.
A horse here not broken by age 4 or 5 would be overlooked and considered way behind and It could be deemed worth less and in turn (some will argue) could take it to slaughter far faster here.
Why do you suppose all the racehorses are slaughter bound? Not because a man that weighs 90lbs is riding it is it?
Hell no
It is because of how they are trained and how hard they are run. Also how they are bred.
Most of the horses I have known thorugh my life have been started lightly being ridden at two and I cannot think of one that was broke down by ten or lame. I guess it depends on what you are doing with them.
I will never forgot me posting a pic on here of a 5 year old girl sitting on a large 2 yo filly. The reactions I got from some of the people on HHO were hysterical and had me cracking up for hours. As if that little girl would stress that horses joints.
I suppose I also will not be sending my poor fragile little horsies out in rugs most of the year either or keeping them all locked in at night when it rains.
You want to see cold....come to Wisconsin in January...you'll never see my horses shiver either.
I guess horses are stronger and tougher than most people on here think.
In no way am I suggesting that a horse should be jumping giant fences or doing hours of cutting work at two with a 200lb man on them but nobody will ever convince me that a healthy 2yo cannot be started under saddle with the right rider doing light work.
k1963
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Far too young - idiot owners
I'm not getting into an argument about this , but I cannot agree with horses being broken so early for any reason ( racing included . )
I'm not getting into an argument about this , but I cannot agree with horses being broken so early for any reason ( racing included . )
SnowPhony
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What is wrong with some people!?
That sort of thing makes me so bloody angry!! Why is it so hard to wait until he's a bit older? Some people absoloutley disgust me.
That sort of thing makes me so bloody angry!! Why is it so hard to wait until he's a bit older? Some people absoloutley disgust me.
Peacelily
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18079...Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10659...ogdbfrom=pubmed
Just for anyone who is interested....its just the abstracts so not much reading involved..(might have to copy and paste links however)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10659...ogdbfrom=pubmed
Just for anyone who is interested....its just the abstracts so not much reading involved..(might have to copy and paste links however)
JadeWisc
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Well there you go (from what I COULD understand
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