Sore mouth - scamperdale pelham

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Hi, does anyone have any experience in using a scamperdale pelham? I am at my wits end with my TB gelding who repeatedly cuts the corner of his mouth whenever I work in canter in the school. Everytime it happens he has to have time off and in between I lunge him and use a hackamore to hack out but schooling him in it isn't much fun
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. He was a wonkey donkey when I got him and has had lots of massage and chiro treatment and have been told that he is in great nick now. I wondered if anyone has successfully used a scamperdale pelham with this problem in mind? Any advice greatly appreciated
 
Is there a specific reason you are wanting to use this particular bit?
Whereabouts in the corner of his mouth is it cutting? i.e. inside the lips (inbetween a crease) or on the outside of his mouth?
Is it the pelham that is causing this or is that the option you are loooking at to avoid this?
What is his mouth conformation like? fleshy lips ect
 
I have a scamperdale pelham, but only ever used it for a polo pony that wouldn't stop.

Why is the mouth ripping? Are you using a very strong contact or are the corners of the mouth just prone to ripping or its it the side rubbing?

You might be better off trying something like a kineton to release pressure from the bars and transfer to the nose.

I don't ever recall having a cut mouth from the scamperdale, although the curb chain did rub her raw once.
 
My mare developed the same thing for a time, i have always had her teeth done every 6 months but all of a sudden this developed you can use hemeroid cream preparation h is good to relieve pain and help keep it lubricated. also you can squirt in glucose on to bit to help aswell however this is not preventing the injury in the first place.
I cehcekd with my trainer to see if it as my fault being too heavy handed and no definately not so I had a vet out who was at a bit of a loss but he made some phone calls and then recommended a dentist.

The recommended dentist came to look at her teeth and he said that the cutting was due to her fleshy mouth and the way her jaw moves.
basically over a long period of time the first molar had a sharp point on it and when the bit pressed her flesh against it cut her mouth.

He did some fancy stuff with power tool type things and it hasnt bothered her since. He is now my regular dentist and she is done every 6 months.
I must say my old dentist wasnt a bad dentist at all and the rest of her mouth was is ok shape but he just didnt have the experience of the new one.

What area are you from i could give you his number if you are near.
I now use a fulham snaffle and she is fine. A good dentist will discuss with you the shape and type of bit that is best for your horse with regards to thickness and mouth shape.
Hope this helps PM me if you want the dentists number
 
Hi, thanks for that. He actually had some dentistry 'power work' in March not long after I bought him. My dentist is fab, very knowledgable and there isn't anything odd going on in there. He is due to come soon so maybe I will have a more detailed chat with him. Thanks.
 
Thats ok then just lots of time its something that is relatively simple to cure.

Trp the Prep -h though when his mouth is sore its works really well and helps speed up the healing process!

Good luck let us know when you find solution
 
When I went to the yard this evening I put his bridle on and had a feel around his mouth and could see the tooth, and the bit, and the sore in his mouth are all in the same vicinity. The tooth doesn't feel sharp but I rang my dentist and he is coming on the 11th (sept) he said its a common cause of a sore mouth so he is going to have a look. I think I had overlooked the tooth idea because it's only on one side and he is done regularly. Fingers crossed, lets wait and see. Thanks so much for your input!!!!!
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I did buy a bitless bridle and persued with it for two weeks but he hated it. I don't think he liked the head hugger feel, which was a shame because I know it works wonders on some horses.
 
So was my girlies! hopefully your dentist will be able to give some consructive advice anyway even if it isnt due to the teeth.

It is well worth discussing what type of bit and thickness that he woudl recommend for your horses mouth shape etc.

Let me know what happens am really interested in this type of thing as it took me ages to get my mares sorted out because noone really knew what was wrong until i tried the new dentist and havent lookedback since.

Good Luck
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My Horse was forever cutting the corners of his mouth. He has a very fleshy mouth and can get rather strong. I've trialled many things and here's what worked :
To heal the cuts you need to make up some alum solution. To do this get alum crystals and dissolve in warm water. You then soak some cotton wool and hold it on the sore bits as often as you can. You can also wrap some gauze onto the corners of a bit and get your Horse to stand wearing it for a while. This is a very old fashioned remedy but it really does work.
Then...I eventually found a bit that even if he pulls doesn't re-split his mouth. It's a Hilary vernon ported dalehead. Has a curved bar with a port and a degree of slide up and down. I think it's the fact it's unjointed and curved away from the lip that helps....quite like a scamperdale in some ways. It also has different rein options. He does have a really fleshy mouth and a large tongue and this bit was designed just for that.
http://www.risleysaddlery.co.uk/catalogu...vernon-dalehead
 
Hi, after speaking to my dentist over the phone he reckoned that Donald will need to be 'bit seated' to make room for the bit in his mouth. I have also done some research on equine dental problems and the effects they can have on performance and it was like reading my horsey diary! Everything I read was what I was experiencing in the school. Even with the bitless bridle he would slightly hold his head to one side because he was trying to avoid the pressure from the sore in his mouth. Bless him. It even effected his lungeing in a cavesson. He was so tight on his left side (from bracing on the right) in his head, neck and shoulder region that he found the right rein impossible so when I asked for canter he would explode on that rein and when my chiropractor treated him his left shoulder went into major spasm. It all makes perfect sense now but for the past nine months I thought I had bought a horse with either a serious back problem or a serious mental problem! I am convinced that Donald will be fixed on friday and I can't wait!!! I would really like to thank you guys for sharing your experiences with me, without it I would still be guessing. Donald and I really can't thank you enough!!!!!!!
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