severnmiles
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I see Hartford arabians have a rather scrummy relation to Tobago for sale... *dreams*
sorry - a bit boastful
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DollyPentreath
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Ahh the days before Finn got more into eventing! Is Dhruv still alive?
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I'm pretty sure Dhruv is still alive and covered a few mares in 2007. It's thanks to Finn I got into eventing! I was pretty much brought up on arabs and arab showing and just happened to aquire a little arab with a phenomenal jump when I was about 16, at the same time I had the Dhruv mare. Cue senior BSJA on a ticket a few years later on a 14 hand arab mare..
When I outgrew her off we went to Biddesden to find a PBA I could event, sadly it didn't work out but I definitely knew I wanted to event, so here I am today; an eventer who still loves arabs.
Ahh the days before Finn got more into eventing! Is Dhruv still alive?
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I'm pretty sure Dhruv is still alive and covered a few mares in 2007. It's thanks to Finn I got into eventing! I was pretty much brought up on arabs and arab showing and just happened to aquire a little arab with a phenomenal jump when I was about 16, at the same time I had the Dhruv mare. Cue senior BSJA on a ticket a few years later on a 14 hand arab mare..
htobago
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Mind? How could I mind?!! a) she's beautiful and b) it makes me feel a bit less boasty about posting so many Tobago pics! Do you have any more of her? - I'd love to see them...
Dhruv is a super stallion - and is owned by some serious eventing people, so not at all strange to me that an eventer should like Arabs.
My first horse was a little 15.1 Arab stallion called General Lee Gold who became one of the first Arabs to compete in affiliated eventing - and that was in the days before all these Intro and Pre-Novice classes: you just went straight into Novice with the big boys. He was the toughest, bravest little horse - never once lame, sick or sorry in 10 years of drag-hunting, hunter trials, eventing, sj, dressage - and carried 13 stone (6ft male rider) through most of this.
I still miss him.
Not totally sure you would like my boy's movement - he's very 'Russian'! Not high knee-action, but huge elevation/suspension - almost more like a passage than a trot, really.
But at home he prefers to gallop, preferably flat-out, with heart-stopping handbrake turns. They've tried putting obstacles in the school to slow him down (like traffic-calmers lol) but he just does slalom-races in and out of them...
Dhruv is a super stallion - and is owned by some serious eventing people, so not at all strange to me that an eventer should like Arabs.
My first horse was a little 15.1 Arab stallion called General Lee Gold who became one of the first Arabs to compete in affiliated eventing - and that was in the days before all these Intro and Pre-Novice classes: you just went straight into Novice with the big boys. He was the toughest, bravest little horse - never once lame, sick or sorry in 10 years of drag-hunting, hunter trials, eventing, sj, dressage - and carried 13 stone (6ft male rider) through most of this.
I still miss him.
Not totally sure you would like my boy's movement - he's very 'Russian'! Not high knee-action, but huge elevation/suspension - almost more like a passage than a trot, really.
But at home he prefers to gallop, preferably flat-out, with heart-stopping handbrake turns. They've tried putting obstacles in the school to slow him down (like traffic-calmers lol) but he just does slalom-races in and out of them...
htobago
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Sorry - our posts must have crossed!
Yes, Dhruv is still alive and covering!
And they still have Anglo and Part-bred eventers there - very successful ones!
Yes, Dhruv is still alive and covering!
And they still have Anglo and Part-bred eventers there - very successful ones!
DollyPentreath
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Do you have any more of her? - I'd love to see them..
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Sadly, I don't.
She suffered a fall and subsequently had a slight shiver so she now lives the life of a broodmare at Dulverton Stud in Devon/Somerset.
I do, however, have a piccy of my little jumping mare, the spitting image of Grojec, who's in her pedigree on both sides, several times! This was taken in an unaffiliated hunter trail in the 3' I think.. You can see I was already a little big, she was an imaginitive 14 hands too, but fiesty as anything!
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My first horse was a little 15.1 Arab stallion called General Lee Gold who became one of the first Arabs to compete in affiliated eventing - and that was in the days before all these Intro and Pre-Novice classes: you just went straight into Novice with the big boys.
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Fab!! Do you have any pics? I've had three pure breds that were pretty good jumpers too.
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Dhruv is a super stallion - and is owned by some serious eventing people, so not at all strange to me that an eventer should like Arabs.
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I would jump at the chance to use All That Jazz, his form is looking pretty good lately. Just a shame my mare is so fine, I don't think they'd suit!
I'm sure Tobago's movement is expressive but correct, and as long as it's correct, I'm happy!
lol at the thought of him doing slalom races around the school!!
Do you have any more of her? - I'd love to see them..
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Sadly, I don't.
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My first horse was a little 15.1 Arab stallion called General Lee Gold who became one of the first Arabs to compete in affiliated eventing - and that was in the days before all these Intro and Pre-Novice classes: you just went straight into Novice with the big boys.
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Fab!! Do you have any pics? I've had three pure breds that were pretty good jumpers too.
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Dhruv is a super stallion - and is owned by some serious eventing people, so not at all strange to me that an eventer should like Arabs.
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I would jump at the chance to use All That Jazz, his form is looking pretty good lately. Just a shame my mare is so fine, I don't think they'd suit!
I'm sure Tobago's movement is expressive but correct, and as long as it's correct, I'm happy!
htobago
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Wow - love your jumping mare Shaab (and yes, she does look just like Grojec)!
She reminds me of my little GLG as well - although he was straight Crabbet. I do have a few pics of him, but the bl**dy scanner is broken so can't get them onto my puter atm...
All That Jazz is gorgeous, but then I like pretty much everything at Biddesden.
Yup - Tobago's movement is correct - totally straight - wouldn't have bought him otherwise. In fact he passed a full five-stage vetting (as a 2yo last year) with flying colours - the vet even gushed on about how lovely he is, and said she couldn't find a fault in his conformation, action, anything...
But he has yet to prove himself under saddle - he's not even backed yet - so I shouldn't get too braggy about him lol!
He's more than proved himself in the international in-hand show ring, but tbh what does that tell you? That he can prance around on a string looking pretty? He's gonna have to do a bit more than that to follow in GLG's hoofsteps!
But I love him dearly, the little monkey, and have high hopes for him...
Believe me you would not want to watch the slalom-racing - it's terrifying!
Not quite as daft as the attempts to climb onto the roof of the field-shelter, though...(don't ask)!
She reminds me of my little GLG as well - although he was straight Crabbet. I do have a few pics of him, but the bl**dy scanner is broken so can't get them onto my puter atm...
All That Jazz is gorgeous, but then I like pretty much everything at Biddesden.
Yup - Tobago's movement is correct - totally straight - wouldn't have bought him otherwise. In fact he passed a full five-stage vetting (as a 2yo last year) with flying colours - the vet even gushed on about how lovely he is, and said she couldn't find a fault in his conformation, action, anything...
But he has yet to prove himself under saddle - he's not even backed yet - so I shouldn't get too braggy about him lol!
But I love him dearly, the little monkey, and have high hopes for him...
Believe me you would not want to watch the slalom-racing - it's terrifying!
severnmiles
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Do you have any pics of him as a foal? He's so lovely he really is!
Seahorse
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He's absolutely stunning. He must be one of the best Arabs I have ever seen.
My horse is part bred Arab by Saker (Crabbet)
This is him last sunday, he came 2nd and 1st in dressage
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My horse is part bred Arab by Saker (Crabbet)
This is him last sunday, he came 2nd and 1st in dressage
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htobago
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Do you have any pics of him as a foal? He's so lovely he really is!
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No foal pics but here's a few of him as a yearling:
Looking sweet:
Winning an international championship!
Do you have any pics of him as a foal? He's so lovely he really is!
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No foal pics but here's a few of him as a yearling:
Looking sweet:
Winning an international championship!
htobago
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Gosh seahorse what a very nice thing to say - thank you so much!
Your horse is gorgeous!
I just love the expression on his face - he looks so pleased with himself. How big is he? He looks very tall in that photo! What's the non-Arab part of his breeding? (Sorry - I'm terribly nosey.
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Saker was a lovely stallion - National Champion I think? And a really good sire as well.
Your horse is gorgeous!
Saker was a lovely stallion - National Champion I think? And a really good sire as well.
severnmiles
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He looks so mature and wow what a trot!
Shame he won't be at the nationals -would have loved to have seen him in the flesh!
I hope you post baby pics in 08
Shame he won't be at the nationals -would have loved to have seen him in the flesh!
I hope you post baby pics in 08
Seahorse
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Thank you, he's about 16 hands I think! I'm only 5ft 3 so he probably looks a lot bigger!
He is out of a Hanovarian X TB mare, his grandsire is Augermann.
Saker was beautiful, I was lucky to meet him when I bought Axel, and he really looks like him.
If you look on all breeds pedigree at the photo of Saker he is very much like Axel, only Axey is a bit heavier.
I seriously like your horse, he's stunning
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He is out of a Hanovarian X TB mare, his grandsire is Augermann.
Saker was beautiful, I was lucky to meet him when I bought Axel, and he really looks like him.
If you look on all breeds pedigree at the photo of Saker he is very much like Axel, only Axey is a bit heavier.
I seriously like your horse, he's stunning
Sam x
htobago
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Thanks severnmiles! The mega-trot is what he's best known for on the show circuit - he was getting '20s' (i.e. 20 out of 20) for his movement even as a yearling!
But then he has fab movement on both sides of his pedigree, going back generations, so he bloody well should move well!
Sorry I can't bring him to Malvern - he was entered, but then got too many mares so stud duties had to take priority.
For sure I will be posting baby-pics next year! I'm planning a grand tour to visit all the 'Tobagolings' - my poor hubby is resigned to the fact that his summer holiday will spent driving around the UK and Europe with a car full of covering certificates, bottles of champagne, cameras and video recorders!
But then he has fab movement on both sides of his pedigree, going back generations, so he bloody well should move well!
Sorry I can't bring him to Malvern - he was entered, but then got too many mares so stud duties had to take priority.
For sure I will be posting baby-pics next year! I'm planning a grand tour to visit all the 'Tobagolings' - my poor hubby is resigned to the fact that his summer holiday will spent driving around the UK and Europe with a car full of covering certificates, bottles of champagne, cameras and video recorders!
htobago
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Wow Seahorse - fab breeding as well as great looks and talent!
I always liked Saker - remember him from the shows many years ago - and yes, your boy does look like a bigger version of him!
From the few I have seen, I really like Arab/Warmblood crosses. There's a gorgeous pink-papered Austrian Warmblood mare in foal to Tobago - and I'm very excited about this one. The owner is hoping for a sort of giant Tobago as a dressage horse, I think!
This is the Warmblood mare, Alma:
What do you all think - will this be a nice cross?
I always liked Saker - remember him from the shows many years ago - and yes, your boy does look like a bigger version of him!
From the few I have seen, I really like Arab/Warmblood crosses. There's a gorgeous pink-papered Austrian Warmblood mare in foal to Tobago - and I'm very excited about this one. The owner is hoping for a sort of giant Tobago as a dressage horse, I think!
This is the Warmblood mare, Alma:
What do you all think - will this be a nice cross?
DollyPentreath
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My only baulk when it comes to Arabs in the dressage arena has always been they're not particularly suited to carrying. I think a warmblood mare to an Arab stallion (Especially a quality Arab stallion
and a WB mare with substance) will be an excellent cross.. And in fact In my mind a WB/Arab cross is much more desirable than a TB/Arab cross. There is an interesting thread discussing the cross here, that makes for interesting reading and highlights the pro's and con's of a such a cross much better than I can!!
Htobago, I'm sure foalie will be stunning!!
Htobago, I'm sure foalie will be stunning!!
Seahorse
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htobago, Wow that will be one stunning foal!
I hope you are going to put the foal pictures on here for the Tobago fan club to see!
I am planning on doing mainly dressage with Axey, along with some showing as he does well. Someone offered to buy him as a small riding horse the other day!
I really like the warmblood/Arab cross (obviously!) Axels breeder has bred several foals out of the same mare, 2 by Kasadi and the latest one is by Om El Mariekh, born this year.
Paddy
His 1/2 sister has bred foals by Saker and Greenbank Harlequin and they are doing really well in the show ring.
Axels dam and 1/2 sister are currently on loan to the Pferde Stud to be put in foal to Allbany.
Sam x
I hope you are going to put the foal pictures on here for the Tobago fan club to see!
I am planning on doing mainly dressage with Axey, along with some showing as he does well. Someone offered to buy him as a small riding horse the other day!
I really like the warmblood/Arab cross (obviously!) Axels breeder has bred several foals out of the same mare, 2 by Kasadi and the latest one is by Om El Mariekh, born this year.
Paddy
His 1/2 sister has bred foals by Saker and Greenbank Harlequin and they are doing really well in the show ring.
Axels dam and 1/2 sister are currently on loan to the Pferde Stud to be put in foal to Allbany.
Sam x
htobago
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Thanks Shaab - that's a v interesting thread - I hadn't come across that website before.
Strangely a lot of it seemed to be discussing breeding Arab mares to WB stallions - whereas I was always taught to 'breed blood to bone' - i.e. Arab/TB stallions to bigger, heavier mares.
That way you keep the height and size, but (one hopes) with added refinement, grace, elegance, etc....and even a pretty head!
Although Tobago is mainly being bred to pure-bred 'show-Arab' mares this year (fair enough, this is the only 'discipline' in which he has so far proved himself), he seems to be gaining admirers among the non-Arab people as well (the stud where he stands is an eventing yard; he's the only Arab there). They seem especially to like his balance, agility and movement.
But some would not want to use him, ironically for precisely the reason he has done so well in the show ring: because he is too typey - too 'Araby', and therefore the foals would be too obviously 'Araby'! Doesn't matter so much for performance disciplines such as dressage or eventing, but in Show Hack, Riding Horse, etc. classes, anything too obviously Araby is frowned upon.
Strangely a lot of it seemed to be discussing breeding Arab mares to WB stallions - whereas I was always taught to 'breed blood to bone' - i.e. Arab/TB stallions to bigger, heavier mares.
That way you keep the height and size, but (one hopes) with added refinement, grace, elegance, etc....and even a pretty head!
Although Tobago is mainly being bred to pure-bred 'show-Arab' mares this year (fair enough, this is the only 'discipline' in which he has so far proved himself), he seems to be gaining admirers among the non-Arab people as well (the stud where he stands is an eventing yard; he's the only Arab there). They seem especially to like his balance, agility and movement.
But some would not want to use him, ironically for precisely the reason he has done so well in the show ring: because he is too typey - too 'Araby', and therefore the foals would be too obviously 'Araby'! Doesn't matter so much for performance disciplines such as dressage or eventing, but in Show Hack, Riding Horse, etc. classes, anything too obviously Araby is frowned upon.
htobago
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Wow Seahorse that's a gorgeous foal! Kasadi was a super stallion - I'm sure they must miss him a lot - but it looks as though Mareikh is doing a very good job!
That's interesting about Axel being wanted as a small riding horse - see my post above - there is a Show Hack/Riding Horse breeder who would love to use Tobago but says his stock would be too Araby!
Would you say Axel looks obviously Arab? Maybe things are changing a bit and more noticeable Arab blood is more acceptable in these classes now?
That's interesting about Axel being wanted as a small riding horse - see my post above - there is a Show Hack/Riding Horse breeder who would love to use Tobago but says his stock would be too Araby!
Would you say Axel looks obviously Arab? Maybe things are changing a bit and more noticeable Arab blood is more acceptable in these classes now?
severnmiles
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For sure I will be posting baby-pics next year! I'm planning a grand tour to visit all the 'Tobagolings' - my poor hubby is resigned to the fact that his summer holiday will spent driving around the UK and Europe with a car full of covering certificates, bottles of champagne, cameras and video recorders!
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Lol, you'll be like a proud granny!
For sure I will be posting baby-pics next year! I'm planning a grand tour to visit all the 'Tobagolings' - my poor hubby is resigned to the fact that his summer holiday will spent driving around the UK and Europe with a car full of covering certificates, bottles of champagne, cameras and video recorders!
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Lol, you'll be like a proud granny!
htobago
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Exactly like a proud granny. I'm going to be insufferable, I know - showing pics of Tobago-babies to everyone, including complete strangers on trains, in bus queues....
Seahorse
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Its funny because he doesn't look really Araby, he has a really nice head, and the lovely arab movement but apart from that he doesn't look Araby at all.
I suppose with Saker being Crabbet and quite chunky his part bred offspring don't look very Araby, but Mareikh is a lot finer so his offspring might be. Although Paddy doesn't look Araby in the photo, but who knows!
Have you seen the ridden pics of Axey in the Gallery?
I suppose with Saker being Crabbet and quite chunky his part bred offspring don't look very Araby, but Mareikh is a lot finer so his offspring might be. Although Paddy doesn't look Araby in the photo, but who knows!
Have you seen the ridden pics of Axey in the Gallery?
htobago
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Just been to look at Axey in the Gallery - he looks super ridden, and you're right, not obviously Araby. He should do really well in RH classes. And will you doing the Cherif qualifiers with him?
Update - just heard there are two more mares tested in foal to Tobago today! One is a multi-champion PBA Cremello - so there will be a palomino Tobago-baby next year!
And another excellent palomino/PBA stud has just booked two more superstar PBA Cremellos to him, so if all goes well (fingers crossed) he should have 3 nice palomino babies in 2008.
I'm not a colour-junkie - have strong views against 'breeding for colour' - but these are all very good mares, champions and champion-producers, regardless of their colour.
Apparently it's very hard to find really good Cremellos - and some people are breeding from decidedly second-rate ones, just to get palominos. Grrr.
Update - just heard there are two more mares tested in foal to Tobago today! One is a multi-champion PBA Cremello - so there will be a palomino Tobago-baby next year!
And another excellent palomino/PBA stud has just booked two more superstar PBA Cremellos to him, so if all goes well (fingers crossed) he should have 3 nice palomino babies in 2008.
I'm not a colour-junkie - have strong views against 'breeding for colour' - but these are all very good mares, champions and champion-producers, regardless of their colour.
Apparently it's very hard to find really good Cremellos - and some people are breeding from decidedly second-rate ones, just to get palominos. Grrr.
spottysport
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Good for you and your boy!!! I think he's fabulous!!
Seahorse
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Just been to look at Axey in the Gallery - he looks super ridden, and you're right, not obviously Araby. He should do really well in RH classes. And will you doing the Cherif qualifiers with him
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I'd love to get him to the Cherif finals and have my qualification card but have only been to 1 qualifying show this year, he was really naughty and we came 5th
So have put that plan on hold for now, but I hope he will be settled enough next year to do really well under saddle.
We qualified and went to the AA and PBA UK champs at Keysoe when he was a 3yr old and he won both his classes and was Arab 1st cross youngstock champion
Well done on Tobago getting 2 more mares in foal, can't wait to see them. My friend breeds pba palominos and his mare was champion at the royal show this year. She has a lovely foal by Kasadi.
Just been to look at Axey in the Gallery - he looks super ridden, and you're right, not obviously Araby. He should do really well in RH classes. And will you doing the Cherif qualifiers with him
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I'd love to get him to the Cherif finals and have my qualification card but have only been to 1 qualifying show this year, he was really naughty and we came 5th
So have put that plan on hold for now, but I hope he will be settled enough next year to do really well under saddle.
We qualified and went to the AA and PBA UK champs at Keysoe when he was a 3yr old and he won both his classes and was Arab 1st cross youngstock champion
Well done on Tobago getting 2 more mares in foal, can't wait to see them. My friend breeds pba palominos and his mare was champion at the royal show this year. She has a lovely foal by Kasadi.
htobago
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I'm sure Axey will settle down and do really well. I'd love to see him at the Cherif finals!
V good result at the AA/PBA champs - that's a tough one to win - congratulations!
I hope my boy can do as well as Kasadi with his PBAs, but that's a hard act to follow!
Update - just got an email this morning to confirm yet another super mare scanned in foal to Tobago! A pure-bred this time - a big, beautiful, chestnut, straight-Russian mare with a fantastic pedigree and stunning movement, so I'm very pleased!
V good result at the AA/PBA champs - that's a tough one to win - congratulations!
I hope my boy can do as well as Kasadi with his PBAs, but that's a hard act to follow!
Update - just got an email this morning to confirm yet another super mare scanned in foal to Tobago! A pure-bred this time - a big, beautiful, chestnut, straight-Russian mare with a fantastic pedigree and stunning movement, so I'm very pleased!
Seahorse
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I'm sure they will be even more stunning
Tobago is seriously beautiful himself.
sam x
sam x
htobago
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Thanks seahorse!
Another update - the 'scanned in foal' messages are coming in thick and fast at the moment - just got another email to say that a super Thoroughbred eventer and endurance mare called Burrowshot Lass is now tested in foal to Tobago!
Very chuffed about this one, as unbacked first-season Arabs don't often get classy TB proven performers like this handed to them on a plate!
Normally a stallion would have to 'earn' the right to cover this sort of mare.
I'm very grateful to her owners for giving him this opportunity!
Very chuffed about this one, as unbacked first-season Arabs don't often get classy TB proven performers like this handed to them on a plate!
I'm very grateful to her owners for giving him this opportunity!
PapaFrita
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You have every right to be proud
AND to tell the world
Congratulations!!!
Congratulations!!!
Seahorse
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So there's going to be lots of lovely Tobago part breds about soon then.
Better get my skates on and qualify for the Cherif before they are old enough to be ridden!!
Don't think me and my scruffy grey pony will stand a chance against them!
Well done.
Better get my skates on and qualify for the Cherif before they are old enough to be ridden!!
Don't think me and my scruffy grey pony will stand a chance against them!
Well done.
htobago
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lol seahorse!
Scruffy grey pony indeed!
If Tobago produces PBAs half as stunnng as your boy I will be delighted!
Do you plan to do Riding Horse classes with him?
It would be rather fun if Axey and a Tobago-baby met in the ring some day...
Scruffy grey pony indeed!
Do you plan to do Riding Horse classes with him?
It would be rather fun if Axey and a Tobago-baby met in the ring some day...