Sorry more bird scarer help!

[FirstLight]

I'm not trying stir anything, it was a genuine question on behalf of my mum as she doesn't 'do' forums so I see no reason why I'm being accused of lying?She had had complaints from customers on this day on how it's making them feel nervous to ride. I read the nfu guidelines but I was wondering if there was anything legal so we knew where we stood. Also if you read previous posts you will see we had already tried to talk to the farmer on the new location and risks and all he kept saying was 'well I'm losing crop'.
And yes that's correct the shot as in pellets, we also found this strange as to why they would shoot over our property, they blamed the wind even though they were stood facing our property letting shots off.

 

[FirstLight]

Also to add my mum's business has been running here for 46years, long before this farmer was here.

 

[Wagtail]

He does if the bird scaring has been carried out since before the OP arrived -- and I suspect the farmer was there first.

If you move to the countryside, you accept it as you find it -- stinking dung heaps, crowing cockerels, late night harvesting, and all!

But the OP's mother has been running her business 46 years. Long before any audible bird scarers were in use.

I find this attitude that farmers can adversely affect other businesses very bizarre. Why is their business any more important than anyone else's right to make a living? What if the op's business was testing herbicides and the farmer was complaining that they were killing his crop? What if the farmer then complained and the OP just said 'it was the wind' even though she was pointing the sprayers in his crops direction? I'm sure you wouldn't be leaping to the OP's defence! Because she is not a farmer!

 

[hoggedmane]

This would have been my first port of call



Woah, chip on the shoulder much?

I would also be interested in your 'evidence' that bird scarers attract pigeons :rolleyes3:



Bit of both I think.



Sorry - do you mean the shot bird, or shot as in pellets? As I find either incredibly hard to believe. A farmer, whom we can assume to be an experienced gun, shooting directly over people, cars and buildings, where they can't even pick up?

My first thought on reading the first post, and seeing that the OP has very few posts, but seems to already know that this will be a contentious issue on the forum, was that it is an existing user stirring the pot.

The latest, patently untrue post, just confirms this for me.

*cue strenuous denial from OP*

:rolleyes3:

I keep my horse at a livery yard and we have had problems with a local farm's shoot shooting over the yard and hitting roofs, people and horses. There is also a public road between the shoot and the yard. The issue has now been sorted since the police became involved but I have to say the attitude of the farmer was very much I will do what I like.
There are a lot of bird scarers round us but luckily the yard has mainly woodland around it so it is shielded from the disturbance. My horse is desensitised when hacking but generally I don't see the birds reacting much when they go off so do wonder about the benefit of them as a way of protecting crops.

 

[RunToEarth]

I'm not trying stir anything, it was a genuine question on behalf of my mum as she doesn't 'do' forums so I see no reason why I'm being accused of lying?She had had complaints from customers on this day on how it's making them feel nervous to ride. I read the nfu guidelines but I was wondering if there was anything legal so we knew where we stood. Also if you read previous posts you will see we had already tried to talk to the farmer on the new location and risks and all he kept saying was 'well I'm losing crop'.
And yes that's correct the shot as in pellets, we also found this strange as to why they would shoot over our property, they blamed the wind even though they were stood facing our property letting shots off.

There is nothing legal specifically relating to has guns, however your neighbour is creating noise nuisance and should be reported to the environmental health department of your local authority if the siting/noise is unacceptable. Good luck.

 

[Orangehorse]

OP I can imagine how this upsets your clients and I think you are right to feel worried. It is not a neighbourly thing to do. As for blocking up the bridlepath - serve a Section 130 notice on him, or get the Council to do it.
A landowner cannot block up a bridlepath, it is a road and it is only an accident of history that means that it is not covered with tarmac for car users - would he block up a tarmaced road? Also, for his "subsidies" known as Cross Compliance - he needs to keep the bridlepaths open - report him to DEFRA too.

We are farmers and I am a rider, so I sit on both sides of the fence.

As for subsidies, among other things they are so farmers can carry on farming and providing food at prices consumers want to pay. For years and years just farming profits (as opposed to overall income from other sources) has more often than not been LESS than the subsidy received. In other words farmers are working for no profit at all and if it wasn't for the subsidy would not be in business.

 

[Goldenstar]

OP I can imagine how this upsets your clients and I think you are right to feel worried. It is not a neighbourly thing to do. As for blocking up the bridlepath - serve a Section 130 notice on him, or get the Council to do it.
A landowner cannot block up a bridlepath, it is a road and it is only an accident of history that means that it is not covered with tarmac for car users - would he block up a tarmaced road? Also, for his "subsidies" known as Cross Compliance - he needs to keep the bridlepaths open - report him to DEFRA too.

We are farmers and I am a rider, so I sit on both sides of the fence.

As for subsidies, among other things they are so farmers can carry on farming and providing food at prices consumers want to pay. For years and years just farming profits (as opposed to overall income from other sources) has more often than not been LESS than the subsidy received. In other words farmers are working for no profit at all and if it wasn't for the subsidy would not be in business.

Food would cost more but people would keep more of their own money to pay for it instead of giving it to others to process to give it to someone else who then gives it someone else ( all of this costing money and taking energy out of the money earned by the the first person, to give it to the farmer .
People still farm in New Zealand and they had a melt down when it had a major shake up but farming goes on.
I favour completely open markets in farming with our farmers freed from the yoke of subsidies and the regulation that goes with them.
Farmers are as much in the benefits trap as some of the poor families you see on the telly .
It's not good for consumers and it's not good for the farmers .

 

[Dry Rot]

But the OP's mother has been running her business 46 years. Long before any audible bird scarers were in use.

I find this attitude that farmers can adversely affect other businesses very bizarre. Why is their business any more important than anyone else's right to make a living? What if the op's business was testing herbicides and the farmer was complaining that they were killing his crop? What if the farmer then complained and the OP just said 'it was the wind' even though she was pointing the sprayers in his crops direction? I'm sure you wouldn't be leaping to the OP's defence! Because she is not a farmer!

Really? Country people have been using rattles for bird scaring since before the ancient Greeks.

If you move next to a glue factory, you have no complaint in common law about the smell as you are deemed to have accepted the nuisance. If you feel you are in the right, get yourself a solicitor.

When/if my neighbour unreasonable positioned a banger in his field near me, I would simply sneak over at dusk and turn it off!

Job done!

 

[hest]

I'm not trying stir anything, it was a genuine question on behalf of my mum as she doesn't 'do' forums so I see no reason why I'm being accused of lying?She had had complaints from customers on this day on how it's making them feel nervous to ride. I read the nfu guidelines but I was wondering if there was anything legal so we knew where we stood. Also if you read previous posts you will see we had already tried to talk to the farmer on the new location and risks and all he kept saying was 'well I'm losing crop'.
And yes that's correct the shot as in pellets, we also found this strange as to why they would shoot over our property, they blamed the wind even though they were stood facing our property letting shots off.

Your problems sound horribly similar to ours with regards to the neighbouring farmer and shooting and bird scarer problems. Don't give up, get some ASB diaries from the police, then film or write down everything that happens. Remain professional. It took us many years and some dedicated police involvement to get neighbouring farmer to rein in the ASB. Fingers crossed we're there now and our quality of life has improved hugely. Good luck. Pm me if you want some advice on how to proceed!