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Hi, is this any good for making sure my horse stays in it's current weight range, about right, but as she's old wants to make sure she has enough through the winter, on about 7 hours good grazing, balancer and chop thanks :)
 
I use this instead of molassed nuts because I want to control the weight and cut out sugars, also it is micronised, so should have more available nutrients, but it is a lot more expensive than the nuts.
If I had an oldie I would use the nuts, add some veteran mix or other suitable horse feed and use the SB as my source of fibre to give a warming overnight energy source, and a good lining to their stomach when they go out.
Ad lib hay is vital, if they start to lose condition you have to act quickly, so use a weight tape every week, and keep an eye on their overall health and condition.
http://shop.wormers-direct.co.uk/eqvalan-duo-paste-p-5.html
 
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I feed it to my oldie alongside Fast Fibre.

Make sure your horse's teeth are ok - as they get older their teeth taper and they get gaps in which the hay and grass get wrapped around. It makes it hard to for them to eat and they drop weight very easily. The vet can do some shelving work to help with this.

I found this to my cost.
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My oldie gets a scoop of speedibeet with a scoop of nuts and a scoop of chaff 2x a day. He will go back on Pink Powder if he looks like any condition is starting to drop over the winter, and will have feed size increased by maybe half a scoop or so if needs be (unfortunately, unable to feed 3x per day due to work - how inconvenient lol)

Speedibeet is so convenient, and fuels my lad fine, but you prob won't know unless you try it with yours. If weight is the issue couldn't you use something molassed for extra calories??
 
AprilBlossom said:
My oldie gets a scoop of speedibeet with a scoop of nuts and a scoop of chaff 2x a day. He will go back on Pink Powder if he looks like any condition is starting to drop over the winter, and will have feed size increased by maybe half a scoop or so if needs be (unfortunately, unable to feed 3x per day due to work - how inconvenient lol)

Speedibeet is so convenient, and fuels my lad fine, but you prob won't know unless you try it with yours. If weight is the issue couldn't you use something molassed for extra calories??
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There are better things to use than molasses for weight gain. Lots of fibre in a bucket added with micronised linseed for a start. Molasses just adds sugar - and there's plenty of that in the grass already.
 
MrsD123 said:
I use this instead of molassed nuts because I want to control the weight and cut out sugars, also it is micronised, so should have more available nutrients, but it is a lot more expensive than the nuts.
If I had an oldie I would use the nuts, add some veteran mix or other suitable horse feed and use the SB as my source of fibre to give a warming overnight energy source, and a good lining to their stomach when they go out.
Ad lib hay is vital, if they start to lose condition you have to act quickly, so use a weight tape every week, and keep an eye on their overall health and condition.
http://shop.wormers-direct.co.uk/eqvalan-duo-paste-p-5.html
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Hi, silly question this one what are molassed nuts?! I wouldn't say she's really lost anything but I'm keen to make sure that she doesn't she's 28 and still hacked 2-3 times a week for a good half hour so just to make sure she carries on like that really! If I had technology skills I could upload a recent pic :rolleyes:
 
horsesatemymoney said:
Hi, silly question this one what are molassed nuts?! I wouldn't say she's really lost anything but I'm keen to make sure that she doesn't she's 28 and still hacked 2-3 times a week for a good half hour so just to make sure she carries on like that really! If I had technology skills I could upload a recent pic :rolleyes:
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If you don't mind using commercial feeds with molasses - then Ready Mash Extra is supposed to be good for oldies.

I would be inclined to carry on with what you are doing and add Speedibeet. If she needs any more then Fast Fibre (it's basically a sloppy haynet in a bucket).

For pics, you need a Photobucket account (they're free).

PS I love your username
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Oberon said:
There are better things to use than molasses for weight gain. Lots of fibre in a bucket added with micronised linseed for a start. Molasses just adds sugar - and there's plenty of that in the grass already.
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Thanks, I'm not big on feeding knowledge :) I know a poor door at my yard is on molassed everything and thought it was to help keep the weight on, so glad didn't consider switching mine over to similar.

What is micronised linseed and what does it do??
 
Micronised linseed is (IMO) a horsey superfood.

It contains Omega oils (that are not as high in the grass right now) and in it's micronised form it is easily absorbed by the horse.

It is great for joints, makes the coat shiny and scurf free, lines the gut and has goodness without any side effects.

For all that it's cheap too!

I feed my old boy a mug full each day.
 
Oberon said:
Micronised linseed is (IMO) a horsey superfood.

It contains Omega oils (that are not as high in the grass right now) and in it's micronised form it is easily absorbed by the horse.

It is great for joints, makes the coat shiny and scurf free, lines the gut and has goodness without any side effects.

For all that it's cheap too!

I feed my old boy a mug full each day.
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Micronised linseed is fantastic - it was Oberon who recommended it to me when I posted about barefoot. I feed exactly the same - speedibeet topped up with Fast fibre and the linseed. She is going to have her shoes taken off soon, so I want her diet to be prepared in advance. I LOVE speedibeet. I think it's one of the "good" feeds in today's market.
 
Fibre based diet is best .. the horse is a "hind gut fermenter"... it has microbes in it's hind gut that ferment fibre and thus keep the horse warm.. un mollased beet / fast fibre type feeds .. feed the microbes and keep the hind gut happy... = cosy horse.

Sugary / Mollassed feed will upset the hind gut and it will fail..

Agree totally linseed is the horse super feed.. high fat content .. slow burn and easily absorbed
 
horsesatemymoney said:
Hi, silly question this one what are molassed nuts?! I wouldn't say she's really lost anything but I'm keen to make sure that she doesn't she's 28 and still hacked 2-3 times a week for a good half hour so just to make sure she carries on like that really! If I had technology skills I could upload a recent pic :rolleyes:
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Sorry, sugar beet is a dried by-product of sugar processing from BEET which is harvested in the UK,
http://www.britishsugar.co.uk/home.aspx
The sugar is extracted and the remainder is compressed in to nuts which contain molasses and need to be soaked for for 24 hours. This is a popular product, cheap and palatable.
The Speedy beet and Quick beet are further processed. this increases the cost but also removes the need for molasses for palatability, it is a more sophisticated product, and suited to a horse which is prone to laminitis or hyper-actvity [fizzy].
Molassed sugar beet nuts are very popular, and are used in winter to bulk up feeds.
 
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Thanks everybody- so much to choose from- would a combination of the speedibeat/pellets and maybe linseed, along with the chop and balancer, be about right? never had to think about it before, always been dead easy to feed, but suddenly feel she potentially needs a little more thanks for all your replies :D
 
horsesatemymoney said:
Thanks everybody- so much to choose from- would a combination of the speedibeat/pellets and maybe linseed, along with the chop and balancer, be about right? never had to think about it before, always been dead easy to feed, but suddenly feel she potentially needs a little more thanks for all your replies :D
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Sounds like a good place to start from to me.. :)
 
My oldie is on Fast Fibre, WASHED speedie-beet and Equi-jewel.

Even though Speedie-beet has been further processed it is frightening how much "stuff" there still is in / on the flakes!!!! If you have the time and patience, It might be worth it as an exercise. Basically wash and drain the beet till it is lighter in colour (and cleaner looking!) and the water is clearer. The amount of sand and residue is unbelievable - and we feed our horses this!!!! The beet is the good stuff. The residue and sugars - baaaaaad!!!

I will also be putting my (28yrs young) oldie on linseed this winter. :)
 
So, the current balancer and chop, plus the linseed would be enough then? No speedibeet? Even though I've owned her for 14 years it's the first time I've had to really think about what I feed! Which one on your sig is your oldie? It's lovely to hear of so many getting to a great age! :)
 
The first 2 pics in my siggy. The 2nd pic was taken in August this year, straight out of bed, no grooming etc. What "balancer" and what "chop"?

Personally I am going to stay away from chopped feeds as last time Con had his teeth done the chopped Alfalfa (Top Chop) was getting behind his teeth (regularly checked etc) At 28 he still has all his own - no dentures just yet. :D

I never found that balancers ( blue chip, equilibre etc) did any good for him. I give him pink powder to ensure that he is getting a top up of vits and mins if he needs it.

If you have the time to wash Speedibeet, it is a great feedstuff for the high fibre content.
 
wow he's amazing! Looks so so well! Do you still ride? Just the top spec I think it is and basic chaff/chop sort of stuff to bulk it out a bit- she's not that keen on that though! :D
 
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