spelling and grammar!!!

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Well said Karen my point exactly

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Oh, my bad. I thought your point was

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Bothered about spelling n grammer no sorry, there r more important things in life to worry about sorry.

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Oh, hang on, you're not here to argue, are you???
 
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I usually come onto this forum in the middle of the night when I cannot sleep with pain, usually after taking morphine, so ermm yes I usually have typos... sorry if that offends people.

This constant bitching about spelling and punctuation is a bit sad especially for those who would like to post that have dyslexia or other problems. Part of my disease is brain fog and although I think I make myself clear often when I reread my posts later I find sometimes things are not as clear as I thought.

I do check my posts but I know sometimes I do slip up...

I am a fairly well educated woman with a large import business in Norway and would like to think I present myself well on posts but I do make mistakes, horrible to think there are spelling police out there that will assume I must be stupid or lazy
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The point that is being made (or the point I took it to be) is those that don;t even bother to try to make their posts readable or in any way, able to be understood by most forum members.

You try, you make a conscious effort to make sure your posts are readable. That is entirely different to someone who bangs out the letters on the keyboard, doesn't glance over their post & over uses exclamation marks, apostrophes, full stops & question marks.

I'm guilty of more than the odd typo but I do make the effort to make sure my posts are clear & concise. There are those who don't make even the slightest effort & that is what I, & everybody else I think, is getting at.
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PS - There may well be some errors in this post but my eyes are blurry from sleepiness so I'm going to get my head down. Sleep well all!
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I'm glad you wrote that.

Everyone makes mistakes, some people have real problems, the irritant for me is when people just can't be bothered to even try. I suspect also on here that there is a certain amount of being "cool" by using txt spk.

Sadly I'm guilty of using exclamation marks too frequently, as well as sentences that are too long and multiple nested brackets.
 
Some of you, get a life. As long as the reader is able to comprehend the meaning of the text, then I can't see an issue.

So text speak gives a "lazy" feel? Why not take a moment to figure it out rather than being lazy yourself?

English is a living language, it's changing, it's evolving, get over it. Or off you jolly well go, and do everything in Latin and be as pedantic as you like, whatever makes you happy.

Have some of you nothing better to do?
 
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I usually come onto this forum in the middle of the night when I cannot sleep with pain, usually after taking morphine, so ermm yes I usually have typos... sorry if that offends people.

This constant bitching about spelling and punctuation is a bit sad especially for those who would like to post that have dyslexia or other problems. Part of my disease is brain fog and although I think I make myself clear often when I reread my posts later I find sometimes things are not as clear as I thought.

I do check my posts but I know sometimes I do slip up...

I am a fairly well educated woman with a large import business in Norway and would like to think I present myself well on posts but I do make mistakes, horrible to think there are spelling police out there that will assume I must be stupid or lazy
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I think you are taking this too personally.

If I say
"Effing stupid people who don't look where they are going. Tw@ts"

Most people generally assume I'm not also slagging off blind people, who can't see where they are going. Do you see where I'm going with this?

It's not the people who CAN'T use spelling and grammar, it's the people who WON'T that bother us.
 
I understand that some people have problems with punctuation and grammar which I sympathise with. Its just some of the postings are bearly audible and you have to read and re-read again before the point is actually made.
 
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I understand that some people have problems with punctuation and grammar which I sympathise with. Its just some of the postings are bearly audible and you have to read and re-read again before the point is actually made.

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oh dear oh dear, i hope you meant "barely legible". i'm sorry, but if you're going to be pedantic, you have to get it right.

i just try to ignore errors... they do annoy me more when they're in the subject line though, in lovely big bold letters so they keep intruding into my consciousness.

i don't bother with uppercase letters on the forum... they're the big weakness in my typing (missed that week's class!) and slow me down a lot! (pathetic excuse i know, sorry if my lowercaseness irritates people!)
 
QR - no-one minds the odd typo, I don't think, but there are some posts that are almost impossible to read. This is just pure laziness and bad manners on the part of the poster - particularly when they are asking for help or advice (or advise
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This is a horse forum not a english one, i think as long as people can read it then the few ad spelling and grammar mistakes really shouldn't matter.
 
Lots of sensible things said on here. I used to be very cross about spelling and punctuation when I was younger. Now I appreciate that the world is a diverse place and that people have lots of problems to contend with that are far more important.

I have a son that despite being high school age can barely read, let alone spell. Spell checkers are really only a limited help to him. One of his problems is that he has the memory of a 3 year old, this makes lots of tasks very difficult for him.

Sadly he already experiences lots of predjudice because of this and doors closed to him. We are constantly having to explain to people why he cannot read or follow certain instructions.

Spelling on here has become a real issue for some people and its not just when the post is unreadable. Please try to remember that forums such as these can be lifelines for some people to whom the wider world is a challenging place.
 
Absolutely; mickey 66, and we do not have a problem with those for whom spelling and grammar poses a problem, simply with people who are too lazy to type words fully. We all make the occasional typo, but when people post on here they recognise that they have something to add and should, therefore, be considerate enough to type it out in full so that everyone has the opportunity to understand. If it is a genuine spelling mistake then it is easy to ignore. The use of incorrect grammar can change the whole meaning of a post however, and can lead to arguements and misunderstanding in a virtual world where people can't see one another to understand their point.
 
Well I do take this a bit personally, if I make errors in my posts I will irritate people and they will assume I am stupid or lazy... This has been said durring this discussion on more than one ocassion. How will those people who judge know if someone has an illness or reading and writing problem, or if they are truly just lazy/stupid, if we do not advise that we have a particular problem?
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In my case a muscle disease (Lupus) that often makes me confused and lurking on the forum at crazy hours posting after taking painkillers (I do not have problems with reading or writing, more just being a bit high or just plain confused most nights) .

I wrote my post to defend my ocassional problems, so that in future if these people read my posts and I don't make perfect sense or have errors they will then think 'oh poor Karen has been up all night again with pain, taken her morphine and is a bit out of it'. I would rather people think in this way than assume I am stupid or lazy.

I was just defending myself for past and future blunders
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English is a living language, it's changing, it's evolving, get over it.

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Yes, English is a living language and like all languages it evolves, it changes and adapts itself according to its environment and - especially - the cultural and historical background of its speakers, often mingling with idioms and linguistic structires of the local language. There is no longer one English, but rather various adapted forms of the language, often with dramatic changes in spelling, pronunciation, vocabulary and grammar.

More and more frequently we encounter what might look like harmless spelling mistakes; blogs, newsletters, chats and forums are full of them. At a closer look we might notice that some of these altered forms are consistent across the Web, in some cases we might encounter simplifications, such as there used indifferently as 'there' or 'their', or phonetic shifts, caused by the natural tendency to spell similar sounds the same way: thus unstressed _ent and _ant both sound the same and tend to be spelled _ant e.g. consistant.

English has the worst spelling of any language using the Latin alphabet! Unlike most other European languages, we have not had any major updates in spelling since Shakespeare's time, despite dramatic sound changes and innumerable borrowings from other languages.

I do feel that though English will adapt and evolve as it has for 1500 years, there is no harm in keeping it correct. Their should never become there just because people cannot be bothered to know the difference between the two.

Much of the reasoning behind mis-spelling, is also pronunciation across different dialects - bit that is a different post!

Sorry for the long post - still passionate!
 
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This is a horse forum not a english one, i think as long as people can read it then the few ad spelling and grammar mistakes really shouldn't matter.


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I think Amy has it in a nutshell..................
 
It is important to make an effort with posts - and no one expects everyone to be perfect at all times, just put your point across clealy and in a manner that all can understand.

This isn't just a horse forum - by spending time on here and posting on here you are improving your computer skills which if you combine it with using these posts to practice and improve your use of grammar, may help you in future situatuions.

I wouldn't dream of using the crap grammar that some people see as acceptable on here. Some of the posts that are made can't be read properly, and even when having been read three or four times, it would still need Sherlock Holmes to work out what their point is. If you make a little effort checking that what you have written makes sense before you post, you might get a few more replies which, lets face it, is what we all want when we post.
 
QR i always find these posts interesting
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i can't spell check for certain things. i have a few probs with dyslexia and it's not my spelling that's the prob, it's certain words i get mixed up.
i do however spell them correctly, usually
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my biggest 1 to get stuck on is 'know' and 'now'. i seem to put in 'know' instead of 'now '
i do usually notice when i've done it and correct it, but if i'm rushing i won't re-read what i've written. i always try to proof read before pushing the send button.
i do find people who post in 1 huge sentence frustrating as i just can't read anything in such a huge lump. it makes my head hurt, so i usually don't bother to try.
text speak also makes my head hurt. my texts end up huge as i can't do text speak
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We can all still read what the words mean - for example;

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod
aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch
at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't
mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a
wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is
taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in
the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
taotl mses and you can sitll raed it
whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter
by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot
slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed
. You have to write what it meant.

But I do still think it is important. Like it or not poor spelling does give a bad impression of the writer

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is it abnormal that i can read all that and translate it easier than i could've if it was spelt properly
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QR - the thing is though guys, I don't think people mean to make posts that are really difficult to read - some people are just not that good at English!!! It does not mean they are thick/bad mannered/lazy or anything else!

I don't really understand why people get "annoyed" about it. If you find it such hard work then just don't read it!
 
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I don't really understand why people get "annoyed" about it. If you find it such hard work then just don't read it!

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You can't say 'just don't read it' it's impossible to know if something is well-written or riddled with mistakes until you start reading.
Same as saying 'if it offends you don't read it'. How can you be offended until you've read the blinking thing?
Sometimes I do stop reading. If someone seems to take absolutely no trouble to punctuate then I honestly can't be arsed to decifer and then compose a well reasoned reply.
 
I find a lot of the spelling mistakes either funny, or cringeworthy, depending on what mood I'm in.
I know I'm just as guilty as the next one of hitting "submit" in a bit of a rush because I'm hurrying.
However, I'm usually careful because this is effectively global publishing and I don't want to be quoted for some glaring mistake.
Dodgy business, this internet stuff...
 
The funny thing is here that many people are forgetting that being dyslexic isn't just about 'not being able to spell' properly.

As Kao says, reading is difficult too, it is for me. I love reading but it can take me an age to get through a book (everyone else had finished the last Harry Potter before I had even finished the first chapter
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This is why long un-punctuated, un-paragraphed posts are so painful. By the time I have read it & posted, checked my post & submitted it, either the discussion is over & I have missed the boat (I always see myself as a thread-killer!) or my posts don't make sense.

This forum has actually really helped me. It makes me work harder at my reading and I am actually getting a bit quicker - it only took me 2 days to read H & H rather than 3 this week!

I know some people think I am stupid, I am unfortunate enough to have a highly intelligent family, so I look even thicker (!) but I just keep at it and I am not embarrassed at all.

So there!
 
I would also like to point out, that no-one at work thinks I am dyslexic, just really anal about my spelling & grammar.

It doesn't affect my job and I don't see why it should either. You just deal with it & do the best job you can. Most of my correspondence at work is far better than those I work with because I am so conscious of it.

BTW, this is the most I have ever discussed it!
 
I'm not sure why this thread has become a defence-of-dyslexics post, as far as I can see this was never the point, and 99.9% of posts on here are perfectly legible. I think the original issue arose from a certain user writing long, rambling and incomprehensible rubbish, which also had very, very poor spelling and grammar. When people pointed this out, they took the huff and threw it open into a general "debate".... the odd dropped letter or mis-spelling really doesn't matter but this kind of thing

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yeahhhhh look at my posts !! im not a troll but you lot wind me up so much most of you aint worth widling on! jesus mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ohhhhhhhhhhhhh mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ..
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is inexcusable really...
 
Personally, I dont think spelling is that important, but grammer and sentence structure (or the lack of them) really get my goat as it were...
 
Im not the best speller in the world - im the first to admit that. So as for Grammar and Spelling it really doesnt bother me much.
What annoys me (i might offend here) is whenever someone picks on on anothers mistakes - the person who made the mistake always throws the "im dyslexic" card out. (i apologise if someone generally is dyslexic!
 
Couldn't have put it better myself and as for those long, unintelligible, unpunctuated paragraphs that look like something I would have been set in an English exam . . . . .

. . . . and don't get me started on "text speak". I even use proper words with proper punctuation when I send text messages . . . . .
 
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We can all still read what the words mean - for example;

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod
aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch
at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't
mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a
wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is
taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in
the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
taotl mses and you can sitll raed it
whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter
by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot
slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed
. You have to write what it meant.

But I do still think it is important. Like it or not poor spelling does give a bad impression of the writer

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is it abnormal that i can read all that and translate it easier than i could've if it was spelt properly
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No, what is abnormal is being able to spot the words that they have "jumbled" but have jumbled an incorrectly spelt word. A couple of examples from the quote are "phaonmneal" and "rscheearch" which are NOT true jumbles of phenomenal and research
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