Spongers on Benefits! Rant..

FinnellaGlen, which office were you in? I was at Springburn in Glasgow and Hendon in London. I miss is sometimes-am I mad? Mairi
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Only if they have a reciprocal health form completed though; where their country picks up the tab for any treatment needed. Anyway health cover is not the same as unemployment benefit surely.
 
Sorry have not had time to read all the other posts.... having been at work all day!!!

Anyway my fellings are.... you have one or two kids... fine. You get child benefit and the usual little extras.... you want over that then fund them yourself!!!

If you want to have millions of kids fine, but dont expect me to pay for them.
 
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I believe that the amount the country would save by not having so many Civil Servants pushing all those pencils around, would easily be enough to pay this sort of money out AND the Govt would have a whopping sum still left over.......however their unemployment figures may not look so good.....
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Tia i cant agree with this quote, i'm an civil servant and i work bloody hard for the pittance i recieve. i have to work a 37hr week and for that i earn £14,977 a year not exactly a huge amount is it? i dont have children, i cant afford to have them, yes i do have a horse and holidays however as i live in a house with no mortgage that is the only way i can afford my holidays and horse. to buy a 1 bedroomed flat by me you are looking at £120,000 how can i as a civil servant earning the amount i do afford that??? i also dont drive as i cant afford to pay for the lessons and keep my horse, my choice with the horse i understand that it is a luxury. i have never claimed benefits i have worked from the age of 16 (i am now 28) and i will never sympithise(sp) with the people who scrounge benefits. genuine people who derserve it i have no problems with but the lazy b*stards who wont work rather than unable to work get my back up.
 
That isn't my point though
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. I have no doubt you work hard and you earn your money - scrapping benefits would for sure, increase the revenue the Govt had available....even if everyone in the country was given £100 or £200 per week. Automation is cheap these days.
 
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Chain gang the parents and ebay the children its for the best

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Woolly-brained liberal!

If you want to keep your benefits after having 4 kids, the taxpayer has the right to have you gelded/spayed. In fact, before anyone is allowed to have children, there should be some basic test of competency - fail the test and SNIP!

Excess children can either be used for testing medical products or cosmetics (for some, this will not be a significant change in lifestyle), or exported to butchers in Belgium and France.
 
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That might work...reminds me of some of Johnathan Swifts writings

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...and another thing...if you are a recipient of benefits, then you should loose your right to vote. Voting is about determining how taxpayers' money is allocated, and if you don't pay in, its none of your business.
 
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I would really love to work but financially can't - its like this, I earn minimum wage and I have 2 pre-school children. Childcare costs 5.35 per hour - I need child-care for 9.5 hours per day and only get paid for 7 hours a day because the management at work insist that you have 1 hour for lunch and it takes 45 mins to get too and from work. Then you have to pay for car parking and petrol!! Its impossible!! Working tax credit does not help because hubby earns approx 25000-30000 as an electrician. I think we fall in the middle bracket and get overlooked.
I do miss working but it was at the stage where it was costing me money!

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i have exactly the same problem!!!! the lower end earners get overlooked-especially if your not single. If i was single id get child care paid for fully etc etc. system is stupid. I want to work but cant afford to its silly!
 
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That might work...reminds me of some of Johnathan Swifts writings

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...and another thing...if you are a recipient of benefits, then you should loose your right to vote. Voting is about determining how taxpayers' money is allocated, and if you don't pay in, its none of your business.

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urm... right i see your point but things like working tax credit is considered a benefit. and as it says on the tin-its for workers. so how does that stand with no right to vote? what about child tax credit to help with child care costs if you dont earn enough? where do you draw the line?
 
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Chain gang the parents and ebay the children its for the best

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Woolly-brained liberal!

If you want to keep your benefits after having 4 kids, the taxpayer has the right to have you gelded/spayed. In fact, before anyone is allowed to have children, there should be some basic test of competency - fail the test and SNIP!

Excess children can either be used for testing medical products or cosmetics (for some, this will not be a significant change in lifestyle), or exported to butchers in Belgium and France.

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hehe funny
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That might work...reminds me of some of Johnathan Swifts writings

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...and another thing...if you are a recipient of benefits, then you should loose your right to vote. Voting is about determining how taxpayers' money is allocated, and if you don't pay in, its none of your business.

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urm... right i see your point but things like working tax credit is considered a benefit. and as it says on the tin-its for workers. so how does that stand with no right to vote? what about child tax credit to help with child care costs if you dont earn enough? where do you draw the line?

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If/when I rule this country, I would introduce a voting system proportional to the net amount you "donate" to the state. i.e. tax less benefits. If person A pays (net) half as much again as person B, they get 1.5 votes. This is closely analogous to owning shares in a public company - the more shares you own, the more votes you get.
 
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i think only BRITISH citizens should be entitled

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Hmm I think only British citizens are entitled to benefits.

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no i dnt think thats the case thats why we are over run with foreigners because they know they can milk the system
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If/when I rule this country, I would introduce a voting system proportional to the net amount you "donate" to the state. i.e. tax less benefits. If person A pays (net) half as much again as person B, they get 1.5 votes. This is closely analogous to owning shares in a public company - the more shares you own, the more votes you get.

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That'll work then!

So mr A who has private health care from BUPA gets to vote over matters such as the NHS.

That makes loads of sense
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Hmm well that is an interesting Immigration policy you have over there then. It certainly never used to be the way that anyone with a different citizenship could claim unemployment in the UK. It really doesn't sound at all plausible to me - but what do I know LOL!!
 
dont they make you sick, i have a 2 yrs old son, 2 part time jobs and a horse on diy livery , my life is a bit chaotic, but i wouldnt be without either of them! men like him should be castrated! and what about his wife and mistress living together in one house and popping out babies every year? gggrrrr....and they beleive they are entitled to it all, wish i could afford a plasma tv!
 
Well asylum seekers are not the same as scrounging gits are they? They are apparently people who are being persecuted in their own countries. Asylum seekers are people who are IN the Immigration system, not just folks who decide to go on holiday and have another country pay out to them.
 
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This really p*sses me off...GET THIS....there is a new type of housing assosiation near to where I live building brand new houses....fitted kitchens/bathrooms/garages/fully plastered and ready to move in...the people getting the houses are no other than BENEFIT SCROUNGERS that have never worked a day in their lifes.....these people are the same age as my mam and have have countless numbers of kids and never done a days graft in their lives....not only are they being moved into these brand new homes from their old tatty council ones....WAIT FOR IT...they are being offered a £5000 moving fee....which they are using to buy/furnish the house with once in...WTF
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....I work my arse off and buy a house and furnish it and they dont work one god damn day and are paid to live in a brand new house, furnish it and still live on welfare to maintain it.....WHY WORK....thats the message
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WHY HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH NOT WORKING FOR SO MANY YEARS
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Sorry but I doubt what you have said is entirely accurate. The majority of Housing Associations have a criteria which you must meet before you are put onto a waiting list. One of which is that you have a steady income. Housing Associations are not for "Benefit scroungers" they are for people - like myself - who require affordable housing. Both my husband and I work Full Time, we both have well paid jobs BUT cannot afford to buy or rent privately in our area (South East London) to move out of the area is not an option due to our jobs.

All Housing Associations are required by Law to bring their properties up to a certain standard by 2010 therefore alot of HA's are being fitted with new kitchens and bathrooms. As for plastering - not entirely sure that is true unless they are new build.

With regards to the Moving incentive £5,000 - where did you read that? I doubt very much that it is true. When my husband and I moved properties we were given one week's free rent and a £100 B&Q voucher which was absolutely fab. Any tenant who lives in a property bigger than what he/she necessarily needs is offered £500 to move to a smaller property.

People who live in Housing Assosiations - and there are alot of us! are not benefit scroungers I count myself very lucky and hope one day I will be able to afford to buy my own house.

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Well it is obviousley diffrent in your area.....I know for a fact these people have never worked I have lived in the same area for 26 years......the people I am talking about lived in the same council houses and have never worked for the 26 years I have lived here.......they have pulled down the old council house they lived in and as a go quietly bribe......they have been moved into brand new built homes and given a £3000-£5000 moving fee to reburbish the homes.....I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT AND DID NOT READ IT ANYWHERE.....because I board one of the people in questions mothers dog.....she told me herself that her mother was given the fee to move, and my OH nana is also one of the people that has recieved the moving fee.
I LIVE A STONES THROW AWAY FROM THESE HOUSES
There are indeed working people in the houses aswell...that deserve to be there..however the people who have never worked a day in their lives should have been chucked back into old council accomodation.....NOT BRAND NEW HOUSING
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I have no reason to lie.....the housing assosiation has now been taken over by GENTOO....enquire for yourself...I live in Durham...phone them and ask if they have moved NON WORKING council tennants into brand new housing and paid them a fee.
To be precise the new houses are on MEDWAY CLOSE, chilton moor.

They do prefer to move working tennants in...after all these assosiations/companys are in it for the investment/money.....but they would have trouble on there hands if they did not offer the NON WORKING....benefit collectors that have lived in the old houses they pulled down for 20 odd years what they want....cos they would be screaming from the roof topss that their human rights have been infringed
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I never once said that hard working folk never deserved a brand new assosiation house or a fund to move....and I AM NOT/HAVE no reason to lie
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By the way the criteria for those on benefits that where moved from the old council houses to the new

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To have a clean house/in good decorative house/tidy garden and have never lapsed in their rent/council tax.....thats not bloody hard since they only pay about £2.50 in each a week
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and its fair to say they did turn some of the benefiteers down.....and moved them onto othe council estates(pass the rubbish on)
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However not all some are now comfortably moved in
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Cala, thinking back, this happeend locally too. The council needed to pull down a street of housing. So they paid the tenants to move out. Some refused to go, so they upped the bribe. One ended up with about 10k. They were moved into brand spanking new housing. Within a week one of the new houses had no windows left as the kids had smashed them.

In reality, there are human rights to think of. It's no good making people live in old damp housing (they'd only claim it gace them some illness and then get more money in compensation and benefits).
 
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Cala, thinking back, this happeend locally too. The council needed to pull down a street of housing. So they paid the tenants to move out. Some refused to go, so they upped the bribe. One ended up with about 10k. They were moved into brand spanking new housing. Within a week one of the new houses had no windows left as the kids had smashed them.

In reality, there are human rights to think of. It's no good making people live in old damp housing (they'd only claim it gace them some illness and then get more money in compensation and benefits).

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Seeeeee.... I was not lying
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That'll work then!

So mr A who has private health care from BUPA gets to vote over matters such as the NHS.

That makes loads of sense
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Mr A has to pay for the NHS whether or not he uses it.

Dr J has to pay for education and child benefit, despite having no children. However, since Dr J pays for them, he should have more say in them than Ms B who benefits from them.
 
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