Spooking horse... any ideas?

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I recently bought a youngster mare about 3 months ago who was a little 'poor' in her condition. I didnt intend to get a youngster but she found me so to speak and has been fantastic really for a 4yo.. hacks out beautifully in company and is wasnt too bad on her own. We ride partially in the school and partially in the field. In the school to start with (first month) she was good as gold, albeit a bit lazy, I started carrying a whip (which I havent had to use) and she knew I had it and was a lot more forward going. The problem I am having now she is up to weight we now do MASSIVE spooks. It is a spooky school in general with various "things" to look at but she was compleatly non fussed by them to start with, somethings like when something blows are a little more understandable but most of the time it really is at nothing. I tried in hand stuff, feeding her in the really scary corners, putting plastic sheeting out and making her walk over it and she honestly could not have cared less which made me realise it is just an evasion technique. In the field she works just as hard (if not harder) with her schooling but is good as gold. Its not like she does it when I first get on, or if I'm asking her to work harder, if anything as soon as I relax a little or let my guard down thats when she spins and goes. She stops normally within a few strides but I am at a loss as to how to stop this behaviour. She has been lunged and long reined in there with no problem. I have been lunged on her in there and she is better but still has a "would if I could" glint in her eye. I started with the benefit of the doubt approach "there there its okay nothing is going to eat you", then started to see spooks before they happened and kicked through letting her know it really is not acceptable, and she has been smacked a couple times now after a spook, but she is still continually trying it on and if anything I think she is getting worse.

My instructor rides her and she is better behaved as doesnt really have a chance to take the p***, instructor is a lot stronger than me in the leg and gets her working harder, concentrating more and less mental capacity to think about spooking. I try but am obviously not as experienced as instructor and she still catches me.

Back has been checked, teeth and saddle have recently been done and she is ridden in a plain french link. She is mostly TB but since getting up to weight in record time just lives off grass and a handful of chaff with vits. Feed will only be increased if I see her losing weight.

What would you do? What approach would you take? Would you try and ignore the behaviour and carry on as if nothing had happened and not acknowledge it so she see's she doesnt get a reaction. Or would you punish it? I am not so much scared as I am becoming increasinly frustrated (which I know is not good for my riding).

There are only so many I can sit to and I am surprised I have stayed on thus far. I know if I fall off on a regular basis I will start to lose confidence so would like to nip this as soon as poss.

Thank you in advance :)
 
If she's spooking to have a break then don't stop her. I had one who used to muck around to get out of harder work. Everytime she "spooked" I'd step up a gear and make her work more rather than pulling her in and starting again.

I'd be inclined to put poles/tyres etc out and focus on lots of different circles/patterns/gaits around/between/over them so she is thinking more and doesn't have time to concentrate on avoiding.

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Your mare sounds a bit like mine in her attitude to work! I bought her as a 7 year old but didn't know much about her, turns out she was broken in late after having had a foal. She was poor when she came to me and great at first but as soon as she got up to weight she started showing her attitude. She doesn't spook, but bucks instead. I've had her back checked and her saddle and teeth. She tried it on with my instructor but didn't get away with it, as in your situation my instructor is a lot stronger than me. I've come off her a few times and got our Y/O to ride school her for me a few times (he's a lot taller and stronger than me) and he seems to have nipped it in the bud. Sorry I can't offer any suggestions, but I'll be following the post. Good luck with her xx
 
So the horse spooks when you relax.....my mare was like that, and she too was broken in late thought was never in poor condition. What worked and still works for me is to remain focussed and not let my mind wander when I am riding her. It seemed that whenever my mind wandered away from thinking about the world from the mare's pov, right here, right now, that was when she spooked. I think it is because when one's mind wanders one leg comes off...anyway, I have trained myself to remain focussed on this horse, to keep my leg present at all times, and now I haven't fallen off her for years (touching wood.) And she spooks an awful lot less, too.
 
Mmmm..... methinks maybe that OP you're asking a bit too much of your mare; you say that you bought her in "poor" condition and have been obviously working to bring her on a bit, but I wonder perhaps if she hasn't at some point in her life not always been treated as well as she might have? Which may explain the issues you're having now maybe??

I'd personally relax the pressure a bit. She's only a 4 y.o. when all's said and done - and you are obviously feeling quite driven at the moment to get her to the level you're expecting her to be at.

She sounds trainable and willing, but maybe is feeling a little over-faced at the moment I would suggest? If she were mine I would seriously consider giving her a break for a bit - maybe even turn her away over winter and bring her back into work next spring and then see how she is???
 
My instructor rides her and she is better behaved as doesnt really have a chance to take the p***, instructor is a lot stronger than me in the leg and gets her working harder, concentrating more and less mental capacity to think about spooking. I try but am obviously not as experienced as instructor and she still catches me.


You have answered the question here:) Try and keep her interested and her mind on the job, more school movements/transitions so that she doesn't know what is coming up next:):)
 
Thank you for the replies.

BlackIsleGirl - I think you are right, it is the second I take my mind and subsequently my leg off that our problems arise (not saying she doesnt try it at all when mind and leg are focused but I can normally stop it in advance).

I dont think we are really asking that much from her at the moment, and we arent in any hurry to get to any particular level, its just basic schooling, trying to get her to bend a little more, some transition work and balance herself. We have hardly even really cantered in a schooling sense as I'm quite a 'why run when you cant walk' person. She makes it harder for herself really, in the field we'll do 20 min of circles, poles, changing rein, transitions and a couple canters on each rein, then either stop or go for a mooch around the fields... in the school it can take 45 min and we wont have done anywhere near as much, all I do mostly is circles, poles, change of rein and transitions as a way to keep the mind focused!!

I would love to just have a long rein in the school and let her relax but thats when she is a pig. Silly horsey hasnt clicked yet that the bigger b***h she is the harder she has to work!

We were planning to turn her away maybe Dec - March, as she really hasn't done much yet. Unfortunately she has come over from Ireland sales so her past is unknown but its a fair assumption that she maybe has been treated with quite a heavy hand. It would be easier if she was a pain the more you tried to do with her but unfortunately its the other way around!

The more she goes in the school the better she is, not saying I ride her in there every day but every day I ride I try and take her in there for 5 min. I have been away the past 5 days and she hasnt been in there, only ridden in the field by another livery and safe to say you could tell the difference last night :eek:.

I have a lesson tonight and will update on here later. Game plan: dont lose focus and make sure legs dont come off for a moment, keep mind on the game and try and ignore spooks / respond to them with circle or upwards transition change!!
 
soo got on, she was good for 5 min and then the heavens literally chucked it down and there was thunder and we all ran for cover. On the plus I felt like she was rewarded for her good behaviour by having a very short session. Take 2 tomorrow!
 
We have success - I think! My instructor has been schooling her a few times a week for me and she seems to be behaving herself a lot better! Only did a little spook with me the other day and is improving all the time. Moral of the story - get help in as soon as possible!
 
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