Spuds off to the vets

I hope everything goes as well as possible at the vet visit @poiuytrewq .

I gave Blomma the Hop-Flex Plus supplement from Aptus, contains both Glucosamine, Green-lipped mussel, and a few other things. But I'm also a big fan of acupuncture, and/or acupressure.
If he needs shorter walks to not get stiff in the evenings, have you tried giving him some massage and stretching? If it is arthritis, I've seen both internet pages, and YouTube videos with Massage and stretching exercises for Arthritic dogs.
 
I don’t think I’m a huge believer in shop bought supplements for anything much to be honest.
Although there are a few I rate. Onychotin has really fixed Cecil who used to pull claws out constantly, they all have the salmon oil added.
Other than that having spent £££ on horse stuff I’m inclined to think much of it is a load of rubbish.

I’m hoping he will prescribe something proper!
 
poiuytrewq said:
I don’t think I’m a huge believer in shop bought supplements for anything much to be honest.
Although there are a few I rate. Onychotin has really fixed Cecil who used to pull claws out constantly, they all have the salmon oil added.
Other than that having spent £££ on horse stuff I’m inclined to think much of it is a load of rubbish.

I’m hoping he will prescribe something proper!
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I tend to be the same re supplements, though have used Onychotin with success after you mentioned it on here. Most vets recommend Yumove so that might be something to consider, but I suspect as already mentioned that the vet will want to trial Spud on a NSAID such as Metacam/Loxicom.
 
MurphysMinder said:
I tend to be the same re supplements, though have used Onychotin with success after you mentioned it on here. Most vets recommend Yumove so that might be something to consider, but I suspect as already mentioned that the vet will want to trial Spud on a NSAID such as Metacam/Loxicom.
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Ah really? that's good to know. I was recommended it on here too. I cant tell you how much difference its made, from having a constantly sore paws, as soon as one heeled he'd rip out another!
Now * touch wood* he's back out, really active and I can't remember the last time he had a problem. Its almost been a miracle cure!
 
poiuytrewq said:
Ah really? that's good to know. I was recommended it on here too. I cant tell you how much difference its made, from having a constantly sore paws, as soon as one heeled he'd rip out another!
Now * touch wood* he's back out, really active and I can't remember the last time he had a problem. Its almost been a miracle cure!
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My young GSD wasn't that bad but her nails were constantly splitting . Since I put her on Onychotin they have grown absolutely normally, I'm very impressed.
 
We trialled my lab on two weeks of metacam then two weeks of yumove advance 360 (only available from vets). The yumove made much more difference than the metacam. She was on that for years until she needed librella which was wondrous.
I've banged on about the yumove before as I was so impressed! Twice I took her off it and after 4 or 5 days she started getting stiff in the morning, back on the yumove and after a couple of days the stiffness went. She's been on the cheaper yumove before which had no effect.
The librella also transformed her we'd come down in the morning and she be leaping around in excitement.
 
BallyRoanBaubles said:
Result 😆
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Right! I was dreading it. I got OH to take him last year, he turns into a tiger in fight mode. I’ve had the blood to show from it.

So we were at the vets ages they were very thorough.
I am now running really late for a theatre and dinner trip so will update tomorrow.

It is imo a surprising outcome!
 
poiuytrewq said:
Right! I was dreading it. I got OH to take him last year, he turns into a tiger in fight mode. I’ve had the blood to show from it.

So we were at the vets ages they were very thorough.
I am now running really late for a theatre and dinner trip so will update tomorrow.

It is imo a surprising outcome!
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You can't leave it there - like part 2 tomorrow..:eek:
 
poiuytrewq said:
Right! I was dreading it. I got OH to take him last year, he turns into a tiger in fight mode. I’ve had the blood to show from it.

So we were at the vets ages they were very thorough.
I am now running really late for a theatre and dinner trip so will update tomorrow.

It is imo a surprising outcome!
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Hopefully good surprising
 
poiuytrewq said:
I don’t think I’m a huge believer in shop bought supplements for anything much to be honest.
Although there are a few I rate. Onychotin has really fixed Cecil who used to pull claws out constantly, they all have the salmon oil added.
Other than that having spent £££ on horse stuff I’m inclined to think much of it is a load of rubbish.

I’m hoping he will prescribe something proper!
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The vet we saw this week said all supplements are pointless. She reckons recent studies say so. I didn’t like to contradict her, but EVERY supplement? Useless? Interesting.
 
Poppy our 10 year old BC was struggling with stairs and looking stiff in the evenings after having been asleep. She was still up for walks etc and would happily jump, catch frisbees and run round at the yard ...but we could see she was v stiff on one leg in particular.

I was offered metacam but she has a delicate tummy so opted to try librella, 1 jab in the neck every 4 weeks. It's costly but brilliant. No side effects ...

We tried the lower dose as she was on the border between lower and higher doses but definitely didn't work as well as higher dose.

Hope you got some good options from the vet OP
 
Cinnamontoast said:
The vet we saw this week said all supplements are pointless. She reckons recent studies say so. I didn’t like to contradict her, but EVERY supplement? Useless? Interesting.
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That's quite the statement. Obviously management plays a part but we have Fodhla on Riaflex since her mild HD diagnosis and you wouldn't notice it at all now and her coat is lovely. I'm sure it's doing something for her. Though we were told there was a chance of slight improvement once she reached two, so maybe it's just that.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
The vet we saw this week said all supplements are pointless. She reckons recent studies say so. I didn’t like to contradict her, but EVERY supplement? Useless? Interesting.
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That’s odd since I’m pretty sure there’s no placebo effect with animals. I’d be very interested to see these recent studies.
 
I've had success with various supplements before now so I just kind of ignored her comments. She also said I shouldn't believe Internet stories about librela but given the amount of real life reviews and the Facebook page, I again just kept schtum bar a non-committal 'I'll think about it'. New vet, very young, no idea about her experience.
 
My curiosity don't like being left hanging, but thank you for taking the time to let us know that you don't have time for a proper update @poiuytrewq . I hope you had a really enjoyable theatre visit, and dinner.


Cinnamontoast said:
The vet we saw this week said all supplements are pointless. She reckons recent studies say so. I didn’t like to contradict her, but EVERY supplement? Useless? Interesting.
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"She reckons recent studies says so". That's not the same as saying That's what recent studies shows. Not expecting you to answer the following, but hypothetically, what if she gets a patient like my late Cornish Rex cat, whose blood tests about 1 year before she died showed too low Vitamin B¹² levels. Would she not have recommended that I gave Berta a B¹² supplement then? After all, that's also a type of supplement.
I'm sure it would've been pointless for you to contradict her, but in your shoes, I suspect that I might have already said something before I realised that.

By the way, the key ingredients in Yumove are Glucosamine, and Green-lipped mussel, just like in the supplement from Aptus, which is sold by my vet clinic. In the late 60's/early 70's someone realised that the Māori persons in New Zealand who lived in the coastal areas, had much lower number of persons with arthritis than those living inland, and that the difference was that Green-lipped mussel was a staple food for the coastal living Māori. When tested they found that the mussels contains various anti-inflammatory nutrients.

I'm sure that snake oil salesmen still exists, and that there's companies which e.g. tries to sell products with too little active ingredients to be effective etc, but I definitely believe that there's also supplements which are useful.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
My curiosity don't like being left hanging, but thank you for taking the time to let us know that you don't have time for a proper update @poiuytrewq . I hope you had a really enjoyable theatre visit, and dinner.




"She reckons recent studies says so". That's not the same as saying That's what recent studies shows. Not expecting you to answer the following, but hypothetically, what if she gets a patient like my late Cornish Rex cat, whose blood tests about 1 year before she died showed too low Vitamin B¹² levels. Would she not have recommended that I gave Berta a B¹² supplement then? After all, that's also a type of supplement.
I'm sure it would've been pointless for you to contradict her, but in your shoes, I suspect that I might have already said something before I realised that.

By the way, the key ingredients in Yumove are Glucosamine, and Green-lipped mussel, just like in the supplement from Aptus, which is sold by my vet clinic. In the late 60's/early 70's someone realised that the Māori persons in New Zealand who lived in the coastal areas, had much lower number of persons with arthritis than those living inland, and that the difference was that Green-lipped mussel was a staple food for the coastal living Māori. When tested they found that the mussels contains various anti-inflammatory nutrients.

I'm sure that snake oil salesmen still exists, and that there's companies which e.g. tries to sell products with too little active ingredients to be effective etc, but I definitely believe that there's also supplements which are useful.
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Your level of English perpetually astounds me, it’s amazing!
 
skinnydipper said:
www.veterinarypracticenews.com

Is glucosamine effective for treating osteoarthritis?

As trained members of a scientific profession, it is best to understand why anecdotal evidence supporting the use of glucosamine is not a sufficient justification for recommending or selling it to client.
www.veterinarypracticenews.com www.veterinarypracticenews.com
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Thats basically saying there hasn’t been enough studies to say Glucosamine works, not that it doesn’t. It only mentions one supplement. I’ve had better results with Green Lipped mussel and Boswellia than I have with Glucosamine.
 
I have a breed that is prone to joint issues. I know she may well end up with problems so I do everything I can now to help reduce that risk. She has Riaflex daily as a preventative and I keep a close eye on her weight and the type of exercise she does (there is no endless chasing of chuckit balls etc.). It may not do any good but it’s not doing any harm and I feel better knowing I am trying.
 
Ok, Sorry! Such a manic day yesterday in the end. I did try and update in the evening but no battery life on my phone.

So I explained to the vet that he had changed shape and was standing a bit oddly, that he was absolutely fine and normal out walking, in himself, still plays a lot, but that he looked stiff and climbed on the sofa weirdly.
Initial examination, was flexing, seeing the movement in each joint and trying to find any pain response. There was none, he was very happy to do whatever asked and have his legs in any position.
This went on some time and the vet concluded that joint and muscle wise he was absolutely fine, in fact had a very good range of movement for his age.
Weight wise, he actually hasn't really gained, In fact according to his records he had lost 2kg- this is wrong and we agreed must have been recorded incorrectly last visit (another thing to not help with my confidence in the other vet!) He's been low-mid 24kg most of his adult life.
It was when I mentioned something that i didnt really think relevant at the beginning but as we seemed not to be getting far i said " there's definitely something wrong, his bum has gone flabby or loose aswell" *sorry too much info!?
He replied, you mean muscle wise, no i mean but hole wise..... Which apparently was the light bulb moment.
He had a look, said it didn't look abnormal to him but if i thought it had changed, along with the camped under hocks and almost rounded back end that i had just described a dog with prostate problems.
Que, finger up his butt, apparently you can barely feel a dogs prostate but his is massive. Its sitting up in his pelvis and so he said would give mobility problems as its painful.
He is over riding it, adrenalin i suppose at walk/play/dinner time but its probably pretty sore otherwise.
The vet said he's not a betting man but would put money on this being the problem.
So he has to have a tablet once a day- Ypozane. He thinks i should see an improvement in about 3 weeks so we will review then.
He has 6 months worth of pills which is long enough to fix it all together, however it will more than likely return as soon as he stops taking them at which point he will have to be castrated.
I'm really pleased its not arthritis because my fear was getting that bad in a short space of time, even on pain killers he'd be crippled by a year or so, so i think this is a far more positive outcome.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
My curiosity don't like being left hanging, but thank you for taking the time to let us know that you don't have time for a proper update @poiuytrewq . I hope you had a really enjoyable theatre visit, and dinner.




"She reckons recent studies says so". That's not the same as saying That's what recent studies shows. Not expecting you to answer the following, but hypothetically, what if she gets a patient like my late Cornish Rex cat, whose blood tests about 1 year before she died showed too low Vitamin B¹² levels. Would she not have recommended that I gave Berta a B¹² supplement then? After all, that's also a type of supplement.
I'm sure it would've been pointless for you to contradict her, but in your shoes, I suspect that I might have already said something before I realised that.

By the way, the key ingredients in Yumove are Glucosamine, and Green-lipped mussel, just like in the supplement from Aptus, which is sold by my vet clinic. In the late 60's/early 70's someone realised that the Māori persons in New Zealand who lived in the coastal areas, had much lower number of persons with arthritis than those living inland, and that the difference was that Green-lipped mussel was a staple food for the coastal living Māori. When tested they found that the mussels contains various anti-inflammatory nutrients.

I'm sure that snake oil salesmen still exists, and that there's companies which e.g. tries to sell products with too little active ingredients to be effective etc, but I definitely believe that there's also supplements which are useful.
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Thank you! Unfortunatly dinner turned into a McDonalds drive thru :D We just ran out of time!
The Theatre was brilliant. We went to Oxford which is a lovely little old theatre, not a bad seat in it and easy to get too- I always think the shows maybe better than London. Highly recommend if anyone is local enough.
 
skinnydipper said:
www.veterinarypracticenews.com

Is glucosamine effective for treating osteoarthritis?

As trained members of a scientific profession, it is best to understand why anecdotal evidence supporting the use of glucosamine is not a sufficient justification for recommending or selling it to client.
www.veterinarypracticenews.com www.veterinarypracticenews.com
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I've read pages in Swedish about Human studies, which says that e.g. in one study 60% in the placebo group reported an improvement, and 64% in the glucosamine group reported an improvement. Which according to the experts isn't a big enough difference to conclude that it definitely had an effect. On the other hand, they also couldn't say it definitely didn't.
In either case, all conclusions I've seen says that it's safe to use.

Perhaps it is only the Green-lipped mussel which have an effect. I've seen supplements without Green-lipped mussel in Swedish pet shops, but I've always preferred to buy the ones with either a combination, like the Aptus supplement sold by my vets, or an only Green-lipped mussel supplement.
 
Morwenna said:
I have a breed that is prone to joint issues. I know she may well end up with problems so I do everything I can now to help reduce that risk. She has Riaflex daily as a preventative and I keep a close eye on her weight and the type of exercise she does (there is no endless chasing of chuckit balls etc.). It may not do any good but it’s not doing any harm and I feel better knowing I am trying.
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Type of flooring is also important

www.politepawsdogtraining.co.uk

Why slippery floors are dangerous for ALL dogs - Polite Paws Dog Training

It is most common now for a lot of the rooms of our modern houses to be carpet free, and comprise of tiled or laminate flooring. They look nice, sure, but
www.politepawsdogtraining.co.uk www.politepawsdogtraining.co.uk
 
poiuytrewq said:
Ok, Sorry! Such a manic day yesterday in the end. I did try and update in the evening but no battery life on my phone.

So I explained to the vet that he had changed shape and was standing a bit oddly, that he was absolutely fine and normal out walking, in himself, still plays a lot, but that he looked stiff and climbed on the sofa weirdly.
Initial examination, was flexing, seeing the movement in each joint and trying to find any pain response. There was none, he was very happy to do whatever asked and have his legs in any position.
This went on some time and the vet concluded that joint and muscle wise he was absolutely fine, in fact had a very good range of movement for his age.
Weight wise, he actually hasn't really gained, In fact according to his records he had lost 2kg- this is wrong and we agreed must have been recorded incorrectly last visit (another thing to not help with my confidence in the other vet!) He's been low-mid 24kg most of his adult life.
It was when I mentioned something that i didnt really think relevant at the beginning but as we seemed not to be getting far i said " there's definitely something wrong, his bum has gone flabby or loose aswell" *sorry too much info!?
He replied, you mean muscle wise, no i mean but hole wise..... Which apparently was the light bulb moment.
He had a look, said it didn't look abnormal to him but if i thought it had changed, along with the camped under hocks and almost rounded back end that i had just described a dog with prostate problems.
Que, finger up his butt, apparently you can barely feel a dogs prostate but his is massive. Its sitting up in his pelvis and so he said would give mobility problems as its painful.
He is over riding it, adrenalin i suppose at walk/play/dinner time but its probably pretty sore otherwise.
The vet said he's not a betting man but would put money on this being the problem.
So he has to have a tablet once a day- Ypozane. He thinks i should see an improvement in about 3 weeks so we will review then.
He has 6 months worth of pills which is long enough to fix it all together, however it will more than likely return as soon as he stops taking them at which point he will have to be castrated.
I'm really pleased its not arthritis because my fear was getting that bad in a short space of time, even on pain killers he'd be crippled by a year or so, so i think this is a far more positive outcome.
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It's interesting that sometimes it is that one odd little detail that gives the clue to solving the whole problem. And to think his prostate is so big it gives mobility problems, and are taking up space where it shouldn't be inside the pelvis, and yet he didn't say a peep when the vet presumably pulled and prodded his mobility.

Glad it was a fixable problem, woohoo!
Also glad to hear you enjoyed the theatre yesterday.








But what did the cat say about the vet visit?
 
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