Stallion advice

Hi, check out www.cooldanz.co.uk the stallion is called cooldanz, he is owned by cilla humphries who owns utah van erpekom. very nice 6 year old dressage stallion, only thing is like utah you are not guaranteed a coloured foal.
 
Now YOU claim that it's all our fault for 'misinterpreting' what you say Tell me how you interpret "What is tremendous? And what is a decent level?" What possible spin or word bending can you put on that?

most of us manage to say You don't speak for anyone else.

And remember, you are continuing an arguement about a question posed to Ashbank, who do not take offence at said question, and who went as far as to state publicly that she hadn't. But, again, don't let the truth get in the way here. Taking offence by proxy is a hugely time wasting exercise.

Just for good measure, Ashbank was asked AGAIN to qualify her second statement, and AGAIN she didn't take offence, she simply and gracefully answered the question. No upset, no histrionics and no turning it into a tirade of innuendo and anti foreign/World Class stallions slurs, just an understanding of the question and a suitable response.

I remember this happening on another thread with both Janet and Henry taking the same abusive line, when AGAIN, the original poster had stated not once but TWICE that she hadn't been at all offended by my question/remark. But both of you totally ignored this and went off on your tangents.

You're very quick to hand out your instructions on behaviour and how I should act. Is there any chance that you might look at yours? Particularly regarding these two threads. Both of you have totally hijacked this thread, where all the OP wanted was some information about a stallion.

Again, don't let the truth get in the way of your arguement.

If you feel you need to resolve this, call me on +33 672 424 926, I'll even call you back to save you the phone bill.
 
come on guys lets take this off the board rather than a open discussion for everyone to see its not doing anyone anygood please lets stop it!!obviously we all have different opinions on everything but thats just own personal opinon maybe if there are any other issues hitting the PM button might be a good idea this original thread has swayed totally into something totally different...might be worth starting a fresh thread.
 
I have apologised via pm to the original poster for hijacking her thread, and communicated the same way with you, but as for ringing you, well this is obviously higher in your list of priorities than mine.
I have made my position very clear from the start, I am not abusive in any shape or form towards you, that's your interpretation of my words.
I have as you know explained my reasons to you for answering your posts via pm but felt it wouldn't be fair to make them public, because as you so clearly point out, they are purely my own opinion.
I honestly don't think you will ever be able to see anyone else's point of view so I can see no point in prolonging this thread.
As for getting to the point of suggesting we contact you by reverse charge call, what will it be next, handbags at dawn?
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I have bred from this stallion, and recently sold him to pro riders as I am moving abroad. He has qualified for 5 year olds, competed in 2 and been placed in 2 newcomers, and he has a temperament to die for. Never spooks, bold and careful. Definitely one to look out for.


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I second that, my horse by him also has a great temperament and trainability!
 
Godwin's law states: "As an internet discussion continues, the probability that someone will be compared to Hitler approached certainty".

Let's not let it get that far, eh?

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I have apologised via pm to the original poster for hijacking her thread, and communicated the same way with you, So in your own words, you hijacked her thread.

but as for ringing you,well this is obviously higher in your list of priorities than mine. And that is not at all abusive of course.
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I have made my position very clear from the start, I am not abusive in any shape or form towards you, FYI there are statements made by you, on either side of this quote which disprove your "non-abusive" approach.

that's your interpretation of my words. Which is only a bad thing when I do it. I feel a boot finding it's way to another foot here.


I have as you know explained my reasons to you for answering your posts via pm but felt it wouldn't be fair to make them public, because as you so clearly point out, they are purely my own opinion. But, in your own words, you still hijacked someone else's thread.

I honestly don't think you will ever be able to see anyone else's point of view . What were you saying about not being abusive?

so I can see no point in prolonging this thread but even though you have said this twice you continue to do so.


As for getting to the point of suggesting we contact you by reverse charge call, you clearly, and not for the first time, didn't read my words..............................

what will it be next, handbags at dawn? Errr no, just a sensible adult conversation, the result of which would probably be positive.

It's a shame for Sambertino that this hijacked thread has got his name attached to it.
 
To Twinklegem:

If you're looking for a coloured stallion then Sambertino may well be a good choice, however if colour is your primary motive, then be careful, he is NOT (as I understand it) homozygous, and you stand a 50% chance of NOT getting a coloured horse (as quoted earlier).

If performance (at whatever level) is your primary motive, then you should remove colour from the list of objectives, because the list of out and out performance sires who are coloured is very limited (fractions of 1%).

If colour is important look at Utah van Erpekom, certainly a performaner and some very nice foals on the ground (subjective statement), not sure how his youngstock are performing.
 
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It's a shame for Sambertino that this hijacked thread has got his name attached to it.

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Well, and if that's not a nasty comment, I don't know what is!

I don't know any of the posters on this thread, none of them are friends or even acquaintances of mine, let me say that first. One, however, comes across as aggressive, with a dog-with-a-bone attitude, and to finish it all with a comment like that above... well, it almost defies belief.
Anyone reading this thread will hardly think any worse of a stallion who was mentioned at the very start... it is hardly as if his name will be dragged down by this ridiculous nasty bickering. What a horrible thing to imply... and, as I stressed before, I have no interest in or affiliation with the stallion or stud either.
Your final post to the OP is very very good advice, shame that isn't all you put!
 
Neither Sambertino or Utah are homozygous - but I can't think of any proven homozygous tobiano stallions that I would use over and above these two horses - there just aren't any with comparable competition or progeny records at the moment.

I used both Utah and Sambertino in 2007. I still think that if you want a dressage horse, Sambertino is the most likely to give you one from these two stallions - he also has progeny out competing at eventing.

Utah is an out and out showjumper - indeed, I feel perhaps a World Class one - although of course he does have some dressage horses in his pedigree.
 
how important is colour?
personally i would really critique your mares bad points (be hard on her-assess movement,conformation,temperment) and then choose stallions who are strong in those areas
and throw the types of foals you want to produce.
dont forget temperment too as some stallions can tend to throw 'hot' offspring that may be unsuitable for you to keep (or sell)
if possible see what sort of foals they produce from similar mares.some stallions will really stamp their offspring from a mixture of mares.
go and see some of the short listed horses and if possible some of their babies.
has she had foals before?if so how did they turn out?and who are the sires?
personally colour is the last thing on the list, although if there are some coloureds on the short list it may make the choice easier!!!
good luck with your breeding
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Hi Twinklinggem, If you wish to use a coloured stallion - have you considered Nock-Out ? Again not TT, but a nice.

He is registered, licenced and graded "ZFDP", "Holstein", "Oldenburger Verband", "Oldenburg International", "AES Anglo European Studbook", "SHB(GB), BSPA & has been approved by ANSF Selles Francais
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http://www.universumsknockout.com/performance.html
 
If colour is priority then the ‘top’ i.e. most publicly acknowledged and with some very nice foals/stock on the ground homozygous stallions would be:
Goshka Ringo – is himself doing dressage and has a couple of approved stallion sons as well as several on this forums having foals by him;
Cutsdean Centurion – is only a young stallion and has yet to prove himself. Is Polish WB and concentrating on dressage – again some nice foals on the ground – prefer Ringo’s tho;
TomTom (What’s Colour) – I like this boy…again concentrating on dressage I believe but has some nice foals…very classy looking
Sempers Spirit – Now THIS, IMO a future TOP stallion….got an excellent sire side with Sacramento Song, etc and is in general a lovely animal himself who has thrown some cracking looking foals this year.

If the possibility of colour is what you like then there is:
Sambertino – not opening up that can of worms again
Utah Van Erpekom – lovely looking horse but overpriced IMO
Sanyo – standing in Belgium at Gestut Sprehe alongside the like of Chico’s Boy. He is by Semper who is same sire as Semper’s Spirit and out of a Pablo (Pilo) mare. Personally I prefer Semper’s Spirit though IMO.

I know there are more than just these guys…my boy’s sire being one…but most of them are young or not proven and so these are just a small selection of what is out there.

Otherwise you just go for a solid stallion at what would be a similar fee and then there is even more choice worldwide.
 
I know I have mentioned him before on another thread but if you are looking for a proven coloured stallion what about Limbo? (KWPN by Concorde) He sired Nureev du houssoit and Nepos van limbo, both ridden by the Whitakers
 
Another jumper with a real nice temperament is Di and Penny Cornish's Ocombo de L'Eau. Undoubtedly not everybody's cup of tea (what stallion is?) but jumped at World Young Horse Championships in Lanaken and became best friends for the week with our own soppy stallion so I can vouch for good nature. Don't know whether he passes on colour but you can ask the owner. Just google the stallion's name.
 
O'Combo de L'Eau is heterozygous (50/50 chance of getting colour) and available frozen only. Must superb temperament and looked a nice short coupled type, but I only saw him under saddle in the ring and not that close up. Looked a total saint for the groom though and heard a lot of good things about his attitude.
 
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A good horse is never a bad colour - a lot of coloureds aren't necessarily good (believe me, I bred one and it's the worst foal I ever bred!)

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Totally with you on that JG. Personally I would breed for performance over colour, (unless it was for showing purposes....) Personally I love the chestnuts, but some think I am mad to put my chestnut mare into foal with a chestnut stallion. Mores the merrier for me.
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Colour is not important i said i would like a coloured foal but that was just a dream of mine not an important factor of her having a foal.

A friend who has a lot of experience has given us a lot of good advice and told us about a nice stallion but we just wanted to look at a few more to get it right as this will be her only foal and for us to keep not sell on.

Just a nice stallion that can improve on feet,flatwork,thats important to me.
 
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If the possibility of colour is what you like then there is:
Sambertino – not opening up that can of worms again
Utah Van Erpekom – lovely looking horse but overpriced IMO
Sanyo – standing in Belgium at Gestut Sprehe alongside the like of Chico’s Boy. He is by Semper who is same sire as Semper’s Spirit and out of a Pablo (Pilo) mare. Personally I prefer Semper’s Spirit though IMO.



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Curious what can of worms re Sambertino? That does make it sound like there's an unknown issue with him - is it just the way it's written?
 
Ahhhhhhhhhh! Well that's a different thing then.

Air Jordan Z is making beautiful offspring, and too many breeders have made the subjective comment "never seen a crap one", I can confirm that I have never seen a crap one. He makes super moving very regal foals and young stock, who will perform in both jumping and dressage.

Crown Z is doing roughly the same thing, and the quality of his stock is causing a lot of talk now.

Lord Calando (subject of another thread) is a phenomenal genetics package and has kids competing at the top level in jumping (the beautiful Lux Z being the best example), medium advanced level dressage and advanced level eventing. He's also not very expensive.

Candillo Z is out of the sister of Flemmingh and is the sire of Cassabachus (winner 2007 Hickstead Derby), he adds movement and scope.

Caretano Z is the sire of Emma Hindle's London 2012 horse Chequille Z and is making super jumpers.
 
Seemed to have joined this thread a bit late!!!

Presumably can of worms is a figure of speech & I now feel I must add some information - sorry if its a bit long or not relevant to the OP!!!

Sambertino progeny are competing nationally & internationally with amateur, professional, junior & paralympic riders. I think this is a testament to him passing on his exceptional temperament & work ethic.

He has had 3 foals to TB or near TB mares, who are now old enough to compete;
Sassalong Thistleton - (Sambertino-Doulab)as a 5yr old with a professional rider she won BE Novice & qualified for the 2007 PAVO Championships. She is now competing JRN with a 14 yr old & at Buckminster Park last weekend finished on a score of 38.3 incuding 4 X Country Time faults.
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Nearly on Time - (Sambertino-Gold Claim) Competed PN last year as a 5 yr old with an 18 yr old placing up to 8th with a score of 33.5
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Sambizi - (Sambertino-Buckskin) will compete this year as a 6 yr old.
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Some examples of Dressage progeny results are:

Papillon (Sambertino-Zonneglans) 11 yr old mare who is on the Dutch Paralympic team, winner of several Paralympic medals & competes with the same rider PSG.
She will be competing at the 2008 Beijing Paralympics.
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Pionier - (Sambertino-Tango) 11 yr old gelding won his first Grand Prix in Holland last year with his amateur rider, who has owned him since a foal. He is the first horse she has ridden or trained to Grand Prix & he was also 10th GP (CDN) at Zwolle International this year, which was won by Edward Gal.
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Renatino - (Sambertino-Droomwals) USA - 10yr old mare with an amateur rider who has trained her since a 4 year old. Now winning Inter I & adult amateur FEI High Point Champion & NAWPN High point amateur Champion.
She also had a foal before starting competition who now competes BD in the UK.
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Tamberonie - ( Sambertino - Festival) 8 yr old stallion. Owned & ridden by Melanie Allen -on the World Class Dressage Equine Pathway, winning at Adv Medium with 70%+ & doing his first PSG shortly.
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Rebus ( Sambertino - Darwin) 10yr old gelding, now in the USA competing PSG. In Holland he was Z1 Regional Champion in 2004, M1 Champion 2003 & L2 Champion 2002.

Whatly - winning Adv Medium as a 7yr old & now with an amateur rider.
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Samaii ( Sambertino-Brentano II) a 4 yr old stallion - licensed ZfDP Premium & Oldenburg in 2007 & this year approved Danish warmblood -DV. 30 day test score of 8.18 dressage.

He is competing in the Hanoverian region of Germany, where coloureds are never normally in evidence in dressage competitions apart from when Sambertino was competing there.
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Samaii has won a Materiale class, placed 4th in a 4,5 & 6yr old A level class with the top 3 places taken by approved Hann stallions, the winner being a 5 yr old who previously won Champion Hanoverian Stallion.
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In the UK last year Sambertino was ranked 2nd as a dressage sire by BEF with all foals gaining 1st Premium. He also had a 3 yr old son license with SPSS, another 1st Premium winner.

Sambertino has excellent feet & if you would like to visit him in Essex you would be very welcome!!
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Ken, I like a lot of the horses you promote, but I think it's safe to say that Sambertino produces good horses, with something extra that is pertinent here. He's proven to produce horses that can compete to a high level with amateurs, he's done it, and he's done it more than once.

As a matter of fact due to colour prejudice (or breeders being afraid of that coloured bred but solid foal) I'm prepared to bet he hasn't had the quality of mares that a lot of the good solid stallions have had, in the numbers they've had - so that makes his record look good to me.

From what I can see, he's one of the few, if not the only coloured stallion who's progeny will still command a decent price if they are solid.

OP, if you were hoping for colour, all things considered, if he suits your mare, then I would choose this horse.
 
when breeding for color don't breed for color only..I always say take a look at the stallion and imagine him with out the spots would you still like him. Color needs to be secondary. Look at your bloodlines and confirmation don't allow the beautiful marked horse to allow over site on the important things. We bred color horses we had a lovely foal born by sambertino out of a wonderfully bred pinto wb mare by Raine Dance who happens to be a full brother to Limbo these stallions have an outstanding pedigree and are super proven producers of excellent jumpers and why not with bloodlines from concorde/voltaire and Rivaal we have foal from this stallion out of Tb and warmblood mares, they are excellent in quality, beautful correct and lovely mannered horses. even the ones without all the flash are of the quality that can stand in the ring next to other solid babies and come out in top placings..Please take a look at our sambertino and raine dance off spring I am not trying to promote stallions I am hoping to help keep the understanding that the quality of these colored horses is what will make them sucessful please take a good look at your mare, is she quality or are there faults that you really would except if you where buying her elsewhere.. don't breed her there are just to many horses out there to continue breeding bad confirmation
 
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