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Agree with you Godiva, and its a real shame that you have been pulled into this due to unprofessionalism of certain individuals! Rosiew and BSM are connected, its so obvious its unreal! If they are going to continually pop up as "trolls" then you would think that they would try to disguise themselves a bit better.

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So how did you know who people were speaking about then?? If you are truely a complete stranger to this forum you would not know who people were speaking about, yet your first few posts made is blatantly clear that you knew what had happened around this man.

Please give it a rest, those of us in the "know" realise that Ken has a girlfriend in England (I know folks... strange but true.....you can bring your chin off the ground now...
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If the pair of you are going to continue with your own marketing and down right rudeness at British stallion owners, stud owners and mare owners HOW ON EARTH do you expect to do any future business in the UK?

AND, before you have to continually come back onto HHO to promote your business, then in my mind it means that you business aint doing so well!

Its now a well known fact that Ken has killed his own reputation within the UK, and it only amazes me that Stud Owners abroad are duped into using him as their agent. Good Luck is all I can say!
 
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You have to admit, it IS a novel way of marketing your company. I liken it to the one MFI used in the Summer - and look what happened to them
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Just a pointer about newbies, they are able to read most of the forum still, without having to register. Therefore it is possible for people to get a gist about posters before they become members. Where they continue to let themselves down is in their style of writing & their relentless gibes at most UK (if not all) breeders.
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Are breeder owners of up and coming showjumpers/dressage horses/eventers for our UK riders to ride "glorified horse collectors" then? Isn't much of an incentive to provide horses for them if they are viewed that way is it?

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Well, it sounds as though BSM is saying that the 'glorified horse collectors' are the breeders using young, up-and-coming stallions rather than the already 'hot' proven sires whose offspring fetch the highest prices.

But perhaps these breeders are more concerned about their long-term breeding programmes, the right match for their mares, etc. than about fashion and short-term commercial interests?
 
I’m off skiing in the morning so will try to keep this succinct and to the point.

At some point, some of you are going to have to accept that other people on this board have points of view different to yours, it’s a fact of life. That a number of you are unable to accept that is your problem, but if you can’t play fair and stop taking everything so personally, perhaps you shouldn’t spend so much time on here.

The “glorified horse collector” comment made by me about rosiew’s current breeding program was aimed purely and soley at her, no one else. If you chose to take offence, really that’s your problem, but to then start trying to blame Ken Rehill who doesn’t come on this forum is pretty lame, and a bit playground politicky (if you know what I mean).

If you read rosiew’s post recently, she (and trust me she is a she) has previously bred using younger unproven stallions, employing the same reasoning some of you use and so vehemently try to ram down my and anybody else’s throat who dares to differ/argue. It would seem that she has seen how a number of UK breeders have been successful, and wants to copy that, why shouldn’t she? Is it for any of you to tell her how to breed? No. Is it her right to tell you how she has come to this decision? Yes. Is she telling you how you should breed? No. Her desire is to stop being a “glorified horse collector” and start being a breeder who is able to sell commercially attractive foals and young stock, NOT to belittle other breeders or be “better” than them.

Some of you will also understand that a number of us on this board chose to breed following a European method. We don’t do it to upset/annoy/rub your noses in it, but some of you chose to take offense, telling us that we “think we’re better than you” and that we’re always “putting british breeding down”. That is more about your own inferiority complexes than what our intent may or may not be.

And then we come to this whole Ken thing, which one or two of you are close to needing therapy about, or should be auditioning for the part of Fox Mulder in the next X Files movie. It seems that anyone not toeing the HHO line get immediately accused of being Ken, and then the same old culprits embark upon a coordinated attack on his business and breeding ethics/methods. The same people did this to jennyjones and one other who I forget now, it was quite shameful to watch. I think it’s time for some of you to get over him now, and move on. I’m sure he’s happy to let you do your thing whatever that might be and however successful that might be. From what I can remember, he was banned for getting more than a little heated with someone who was evidently slagging him off outside of this forum. Emma’s claim that he was banned for knocking other people’s stallions is a little wide of the mark, I can see why it would be easy to assume he was knocking other stallions, when from what I could see, he was generally being factually correct because he has access to information, and the brutal level of reality that we don’t have here in the UK. In fact some of the bullshitters of the UK horse world have found his presence pretty uncomfortable.

And nomis, I guess you're not really in the "know", besides that, what gives you the right to discuss someone's personal life on this forum? In any context, what you have written is a personal attack, and you're out of order.

So, I’m sorry to disappoint about being Ken, I’ll try to explain to the kids that some people think that mummy is a daddy, and I’ll speak to you all in a couple of weeks, when hopefully some of you will have settled down a bit. TTFN
 
Do have fun on the slopes, try not to break anything!!

After reading your post I am even more convinced there is a connection with Ken the tone of the posts are far too similar. You need to go back & read some on your posts, because your group do ram it home how inferior the UK are to the rest of Europe. This is despite being told that not everyone on here is after breeding an Olympic potential. As for personal attacks, I would say Ken started that, by “In fact some of the bullshitters of the UK horse world have found his presence pretty uncomfortable.” I would have said it was down to the mare owner to check out any facts written/stated by any stud. There was no justification in airing out anomalies in public, just in case it could have been an oversight, a genuine mistake. I think that is when I lost all respect, because there was no justification in doing that. It should have been done via PM. I don’t believe the errors warranted a public airing in the attempt to cause humiliation/embarrassment. The same as what is happening now, you keep spouting off about how wonderful your breeding program is, but then never post any photo’s. Of course you don’t have to, but it does seem odd that you & the rest of the Ken followers have never ever done so. Therefore everyone on here only has your word for it & that is just a little unfair when some have taken this public “You have misled people” posts from Ken. So I am wondering if that is why everything is so closed on your part, because if we actually saw how many failures you had, those of us who think the whole process of breeding is just one big gamble would be proven correct. The race horse industry has been at it far longer then the sports horse industry. They have concentrated on blood lines long before it was thought of in sport horse breeding, yet their failure rate is very high. All you are doing is narrowing down the odds, you can NOT breed into a horse (as with a human), the will to win. You can NOT breed into a horse carefulness, which is a requirement when jumping Olympic fences. You can breed a horse for dressage, but just because his sire was of Olympic or International standard does not mean he will perform, yet he may do so at home. A race horse may have the fastest two parents, & he may even break records at home, but take him to the track & he is happy to watch other horses pass him. You can not force a horse to perform to the level he was bred, which is why it is still a gamble. Lets face it, if this was not the case there would be no failures. Every horse breed from proven lines would be international standard & yet they are not.
 
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This is the second or third paragraph on the "welcome" PM that all of us receive when we join this forum.

Magic, can you tell/show everyone here where exactly any of us "followers" have spouted on about how "wonderful" our breeding programs are please? You quotes from our posts if you want, but I guarantee you'll not find one instance.

You constantly put words in our mouths and then criticise them as if we've said them, just to cause an arguement, which is a bit silly. If you don't agree with what I or anyone else say, please either keep it to yourself or avoid the totally unnecessary personal comments. You wouldn't act like this in the real world I'm sure (I hope), so just because you hide behind a false name here shouldn't really give you free license to slag people off.

Regarding my breeding program, I'm not revealing anything on this site because I don't want my family or myself subjected to the same kind of abuse Ken did when he was on here (and still seems to get from the inspector Clouseau's present here). Discussing his personal life is a horrible way to act, and again it's only because people are hiding behind their false names that they can get away with it. Imagine how you would feel if it were you?

I've chosen to alter my plans from 2009 onwards, because the breeding I've been doing hasn't been commercially successful. I was interesting to see Volatis talking on another thread about having too many (or words to that effect) horses to sell. That's why I'm moving over to the more commercial stallions.

You need to accept that people have different views than you and different methods than you, and stop ramming your "breeding is a gamble" attitude down our throats.
 
do you know you and Ken both incorrectly spell arguement the same way?

And as for asking Magic to produce your comments it might be easier if you did not keep changing your name to do so - nevermind saying we hide behind our names. I think most of us make it perfectly obvious who we all are by what we say.

And finally, as for making comments personal, please go and read back your rather nasty and ridiculous ones to me earlier in the post which were completely uncalled for and apparently completely against how you yourself wish to be treated. Yours were the comments that changed the tone of this post, no one elses. Odd how you then try to turn it on everyone else as though by saying it was others, they will somehow believe it too.
 
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What are the above if not personal attacks on people and stud's! Taken from your own posts Rosiew.


Adults are able to have discussions without getting personal, and if people such as yourself, BSM, britbreeder, jennyjones, frenchbreeder, KenR start to get personal with forum members then expect the same treatment yourselves....whether you are one of the same person, clones, trolls or whatever you want to call yourselves.

Nobody is stopping anyone from agreeing/disagreeing on different stallion choices, as that is all down to personal taste and this is what makes up enjoyable threads.

However, once you start to make personal attacks then that leads to another level. And its always with the same style of writing, same tone, same apparent "know it all attitude" and funnily enough same links to the same semen agent.....coincidence....I think not.

People did like some of the questions posed by Ken and the Ken Clones, but not the continual personal attacks on people, studs and stallions, as there is just no need for that at all.
 
I would not expect you to know me, or most people here to know me personally you tiresome thing, but if you read my posts I have made no secret as to my horses names, or where I keep them.

I don't think the same can be said of you. You said yourself you are not going to divulge any personal information re your whereabouts or breeding so you are the one hiding, not anyone else.

Quainton does not have that many liveries with horses called Breeze and Cruella, so it sort of narrows it down if I really do upset anyone (other than you apparently of course) they know where to find me
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Also, many here openly talk about their horses and even have their stud names as their username, so it isn't rocket science is it.
 
Look I really dont have time for this, some of us have to work for a living, but just to humour you, these are just some examples. I am not clever enough to keep the colours etc to define the way others can;

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Everything I've read so far tells me exactly why thousands of buyers go to Europe every year, tells me why auction houses will not (in general) sell British bred stock. It's staring every British breeder in the face.

Of course we can put it all down to hype, but after 25 years of "fashion" that arguement is a touch threadbare don't you think?

Oh silly me!!

Comment about Rosieview using younger stallions ie she admitted to doing so, but in the same sentence knocked the idea
1 - I have used younger stallions, but then get very envious of people who use the famous boys and sell the foals for loads. Millfield Stud always use top stallions and they got nearly £12000 for a foal at Addington, I think the answer is obvious. This year I used Chicago I Z, but for another 300€ I could have had Coriano Z who is in the top 30 in the world and from a great motherline.

Another dig at what stud owners are doing to dupe mare owners, again it should be buyer be aware & check the facts being spouted.

4 - I get approached by stallion owners from time to time, and I hate how they have all the chat but no facts or substance. In fact I've even been lied to about some stallions performances, like saying he went "advanced" when in fact he just sat at a lower level and built up his points. It's such a shame that we don't have credible information about British stallions, it's what makes me go abroad for my semen all the time.

This came from someone in response the has ken been banned. This person never once posted anything but helpful comments yet she was drawn to post the following, so what the hell does that say.

I think it's very good that the thread in question was cleaned up. Very well done of the admins.

My wish would be, that britbreeder would shape up and share his/her knowledge (which he/she seems to have) without talking bad about others. No reason for that in a public forum IMHO.

And why be sarcastic (there might be a better word) against others? I can't see any reason for that.

As for IP addresses - I wouldn't count on them. They can change. And some people know how to change them easily. Have had some experience with that *sigh*.

Just my 2 cents/pennies or whatever

I believe Ken made some innuendo towards the founder of the sportshorse database. There are loads more which were not pulled by admin, but I really dont have the time right now.
 
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Wait......................................what is that I hear..................nope think its gone again.................it was "almost" like the faint sound of a violin.
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Who has mentioned anything about his business?? You and rosiew are the only ones who have made links to his websites and clients....nobody else to blame there but yourselves for making the links.


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The same people did this to jennyjones and one other who I forget now, it was quite shameful to watch

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ROFL PMSL.......you really are funny...
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From what I can remember, he was banned for getting more than a little heated with someone who was evidently slagging him off outside of this forum. Emma’s claim that he was banned for knocking other people’s stallions is a little wide of the mark

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Horse and Hound gave NO explanation of why Ken was banned (as they dont have to explain themselves), so how would you know what explanation was "a little wide of the mark" if you are not him!
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The majority of the posts were deleted regarding the "heated" discussions, so interested to know how you "could see". I mean seeing how outspoken you are now, I would have assumed that if you were "lurking" around at that specific time that you would have jumped to Ken's defence, like you are doing now really.....
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Come on Ken, are you not even slightly embarrassed that you have such a big obsession to post on forums that you keep on coming up with silly new user names and post "exactly" the same stuff each time.......its so OBVIOUS!!
 
As a member who rarely posts on this forum, and as an English teacher , I would just like to point out to those who are querying 'identities', that once someone has a VERY DEFINITE STYLE of writing then it is almost impossible for them to disguise that style.Not that I am suggesting anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also find it quite sad that on a forum where, in the main, people are very supportive of each other, there are those who seem to be almost licking their lips at the chance to be spiteful.Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the vindictiveness of some does them no favours whatsoever - it merely shows a very unwelcome side to their character.
 
I haven't been onto this site for months and seeing this thread on Chateau De Brion who has good bloodlines I thought I would have a nose and all I can say is how sad and pathetic the comments are and I am glad I do not get involved with horses too much now.

Who really gives a toss what other people do and which stallion they choose for their mare and whether the stallion is known or unknown It is the individuals mare, it will be their foal and they have their own reasons for breeding it.

anyone who has been to zangersheide knows that they identify promising young stallions and use them on their top mares before anyone else has heard of them (go there and look at the names the pregnant mares are in foal to). They are not stupid people.

Performance is down to luck and opportunity, technique and ability is down to breeding.
 
I tend to feel the best way to deal with Ken/Britbreeder/Jennyjones/Rosiewhatever and numbers he keeps adopting is to not respond and ignore him, as with irritating behaviour in children, they respond best to that method.
However I do feel I would like to point out that as it was me KR accused of being someone I'm not, I have to refresh the facts. I ended up phoning Twemlows who seemed lovely people, and asking them to inform MR R in this case he had made a huge mistake, and this they promised to do.
Did I get an apology?
Don't be silly, the man doesn't know how to apologise...
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I did complain to admin as at the time I was furious anyone would blacken my reputation in "real life", as a Cheshire girl I know many people there, (but not Twemlows) and felt this had to be nipped in the bud.
We can all identify him within a couple of posts from his style and spelling mistakes, and it does at times give me a giggle, sort of "hunt the troll", but I try hard not to respond unless it affects me personally.
I would take bets on it only being a matter of time before he's banned again, but you have to admit, the man's a trier....
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