Stallion choices for my TB mare?

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Im looking to breed from by thoroughbred mare next year but I'm stuck on stallion choices.
She's 17hh and quite fine and long all over, by Hernando out of Step With Style, and ideally I want something smaller (to make no more than 16hh- obviously I'm aware however that it's luck of the draw) and a bit stockier, not exactly stocky but doesn't look like a slight breeze would push them over.
I want to produce something for affiliated eventing and just a general fun horse but there are too many stallions to choose from!
Her major conformation flaws would be she's straight through her hind legs, long pasterns and she's either still slightly bum high or mildly downhill.

So far I've looked at a lot of Warmblood type stallions (my top choices being Airborn and Ramiro B so far) but I wanted some other options if anyone has any as I can't seem to find any nice stallions that are smaller!

Sorry this is so long 😂

Thanks.
 
I don't want to buy something, that's the point in me breeding. She's a cracking horse and only 6 so she's sadly wasted due to injury so I want a foal from her.
 
Your choice but you may not get what you want - it's a huge gamble. Do uou have the facilities to keep a foal?
 
EP2504 said:
Im looking to breed from by thoroughbred mare next year but I'm stuck on stallion choices.
She's 17hh and quite fine and long all over, by Hernando out of Step With Style, and ideally I want something smaller (to make no more than 16hh- obviously I'm aware however that it's luck of the draw) and a bit stockier, not exactly stocky but doesn't look like a slight breeze would push them over.
I want to produce something for affiliated eventing and just a general fun horse but there are too many stallions to choose from!
Her major conformation flaws would be she's straight through her hind legs, long pasterns and she's either still slightly bum high or mildly downhill.

So far I've looked at a lot of Warmblood type stallions (my top choices being Airborn and Ramiro B so far) but I wanted some other options if anyone has any as I can't seem to find any nice stallions that are smaller!

Sorry this is so long ��

Thanks.
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Have a look at this link to the leading evhttp://www.britisheventing.com/library-media/documents/Top_50_Sires_All_TimeV3.pdfent
horse sires.

I looked at Sirens Missile a few years ago and liked what I saw. In my opinion the more quality blood in an event horse the better and if you can combine the quality with bone and substance you have a reasonable chance of getting a nice athletic competition horse.

Good luck in whatever you choose to do. Obviously there is risk involved but there is a lot of pleasure and satisfaction to be had from breeding and rearing your own horse from a mare that means a lot to you.
 
I'm aware it's a huge gamble but it's one I'm willing to make.
Of course I have the facilities, otherwise I wouldn't even consider it.
 
This is brilliant, thank you!
And thank you for your support! She's my horse of a life time but she's only 6 and we've just been told she can never work again so it'd be nice to get something positive out of such bad news
 
Have messaged you. Amour G has been used very successfully on TB mares to do the job you're after. Two different newmarket vets have used him and been so pleased with their foals. they both came back for reapeat breedings.
 
Ramiro B would be a good choice. With a TB mare you can go any way you want, WB bred for SJ or Dressage or Irish. Whatever you choose maybe you need to pick a stallion with good hing leg conformation but I'm sure you know that.
We used Diarado on our mare. He doesn't throw big. The mare is a bit long but the filly is shorter coupled and also has better movement.
 
Have a look at a couple of our stallions (you'd have to use AI for both though as one is now gelded and the other in Ireland).
Persiflage - went to Advanced. Might be too much blood for you as he's Anglo Arab (half/half). He's 15.3h. If you look around the site you can see some of his progeny.
www.biddesdenstud.co.uk/stallions/persiflage/
Incognito - currently competing and just stepped up to Novice - he has had a few very attractive progeny already. Good attitudes but the oldest ones are only just being backed now. He's by Indoctro and about 15.2h.
www.biddesdenstud.co.uk/stallions/incognito/
 
I'm not going to blow my stallion's trumpet on here unlike some posters (spiderman, I don't mean you!) but here are some photos of a welsh D stallion to TB mares. The black horse is out of a sprint bred mare, and the bay, and chestnut out of distance TB mares. The bay was top event foal at his futurity, and had the highest vet mark of the series, then won all four county show outings as a yearling. The chestnut is out of a badly conformed mare in all respects, and jumped clear and was placed at this year's Badminton grassroots Championships. The black is very successful at BE Novice standard, and has jumped DC's at the Novice regional Finals. They all come out at 15.2hh to 16.00hh....

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The eventers I know all swear by Ramiro B, particularly with a TB mare. From what they tell me he stamps his stock well and all have great attitudes.

They all sold him to me that well that I took the plunge and used him on one of mine.

Happy stallion shopping , and good luck
 
I like the Sec D sired foals very much. Plenty of scope, nicely made, and should have plenty of performance longevity. She's a big, big girl, so I'm sure you'd get a decently sized youngster.
 
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She's 17hh and quite fine and long all over, by Hernando out of Step With Style, and ideally I want something smaller ……..

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Taking nothing away from the other suggestions, I suspect that I'd lean towards the points made by cundlegreen. Some of the nicest horses arrive by the most unlikely route! A welsh Section D? Why not? Newmarket may well be too far to consider travelling for you, but SallyF on here (Groomsbridge Stud) had the most delightful little Connemara stallion standing with her, he had competed and had points, and she may well have frozen semen in storage. We too had a very tall TB mare, and how I wished that we'd used him. The mare was PTS because that was the deal with the stud who gifted her too us, but I wish to this day that we'd had a last foal.

The mare that you describe may not be the ideal 'stamp' of a mare to breed from to produce, say, a top class event horse when put to the top flight event stallions, but put to a horse of 'lesser' (?!!) standing, so her progeny may very well surprise not just you, but the onlookers too! Her greatest attribute seems to be her willingness to work and contribute, and by reducing the size of the stallion, certainly doesn't mean that he will replicate himself and give you a pony, but that because of her available space she will most likely produce you something at around the 16hh that you're looking for.

Go on, do it and what ever you choose, let us know the outcome please! :)

Alec.
 
If you want something at max 16hh and to add s bit of substance what about a nice Connemara stallion? Loads out there that are talented enough to produce something to event.
 
Have you considered a Welsh D, some beautiful stallions out there and TB/Welsh crosses usually make fantastic allround horses. Some may be a little long backed but you could look for a more compact type and it shouldn't produce too heavy an off spring. I have one a mare I bred 23 years ago but out of a Sect d mare to a TB stallion, bit opinionated but a beautiful horse. Good luck and looking forward to seeing the photos of your foal.
 
If you wanted a big horse I would recommend looking at a son of Jumbo but I think it's likely you would get a very large horse .
Would you consider a Connemara ?
 
rebeccag said:
sorry i didn't realise that wasn't the done thing. just thought they both perhaps fitted a type she wanted.
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I don't think that was aimed at you, I may be wrong but there is a poster on here who recommends their stallion for every mare, I assume it was aimed at them. (And they haven't (yet) anyway. :-)

I like connie x, Templebready Fear Bui would be my choice, but he might be dead/infertile by now, does he have any entire sons standing I wonder?
 
Clodagh said:
I don't think that was aimed at you, I may be wrong but there is a poster on here who recommends their stallion for every mare, I assume it was aimed at them. (And they haven't (yet) anyway. :-)

I like connie x, Templebready Fear Bui would be my choice, but he might be dead/infertile by now, does he have any entire sons standing I wonder?
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Glad to see people suggesting Connemaras. We have Glencarrig Dolphin, he is throwing fabulous stock from TBs. Has won at BE100 and was 6th in his first Novice the other day. www.glencarrigdolphin.co.uk
 
If you were looking for more substance, you cant go wrong with an ID and get a super ISH!

Avanti Amorous Archie was my pick for my TB mare, have a super 5yo that is winning everything in sight, and super temperament and trainability.
 
Diamore said:
If you were looking for more substance, you cant go wrong with an ID and get a super ISH!

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The OP has a mare standing at 17hh. Should she use an ID with the genetics if not its own height to consider, then the resultant foal, when it's finished growing would be highly likely to exceed the desired 16hh.

Alec.
 
I have considered Irish draughts for my mare but she's a big mare herself and I'm not exactly tall so although I want a stallion that has more substance than her (she's a bit spindly bless her!) , I don't want ideally to produce something that would be bigger than her (she was 15.2 and 4 when I bought her and now she's 17hh at 6 so she wasn't exactly ideal haha) and a lot of the ID stallions I've seen and liked are very big, however I'll check out the stallion you've suggested and bare him in mind, thank you :)
 
Ideally I don't want big, she was only meant to make 16hh at the most and I'm only 5ft2 haha!
I've thought about connemaras but haven't really seen anything I liked and I want something that would improve her paces and I just haven't found a Connemara that I feel could do that.
Thank you though :)
 
Thank you for your reply, both your boys are lovely and a preferred height however they're both just too fine and as she practically has twigs for legs as it is, a cross between the two might mean the foals legs snap as soon as they stand up! Haha
 
I never really thought of crossing with a section d, even though I've always been a massive Welsh cob fab, and it's definitely something I'd look into. I always put them out of my mind because I waned something more sport horse type but from the pictures you've posted, clearly that is something that's achievable, thank you
 
A D cross should give you flashier paces as well. I loved it when I was stallion looking, there is so much out there!
 
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