Stallion choices for my TB mare?

EP2504 said:
I never really thought of crossing with a section d, even though I've always been a massive Welsh cob fab, and it's definitely something I'd look into. I always put them out of my mind because I waned something more sport horse type but from the pictures you've posted, clearly that is something that's achievable, thank you
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Considering my boy is an old fashioned D with lots of feather and bone, he gets very quality types off all mares. They all have good bone without being coarse, and can, and do, turn their hooves to everything. Do make sure though, if considering a welsh cob, that it has performed, or got offspring performing under saddle. A lot of D stallions are in hand animals, and they have too much knee action to make top sports horses IMO. You should be looking for freedom of shoulder and hock action to compliment your mare.
 
Faracat said:
Something like these boys, to produce an anglo-arab. It's a shame that this cross has fallen out of favour as it really is a very tried and tested one that produces excellent athletic animals. IIRC, your mare has had back trouble (but your Vet has approved her for breeding from), if so I really would want a compact stallion that's very strong in that region.

http://www.mukhtaribneternity.co.uk/gallery/

http://www.hengsthaltung-kathmann.de/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idart=288
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Ooo... If I had more time/£ and didn't have what I've already got, I would love a good AA. My sort of horse.

Exciting times OP! Have a really good think about what you really want in your end product (foal!). Good luck.
 
Worth a look at the Sports Pony studbook. They grade stallions into their studbook and go up to 15.2hh. Some of the smaller horses or warmblood ponies will put some substance in but drop the height.

http://www.sportpony.org.uk/stallions.shtml

A little off the wall but have a look at one of the smaller Knabstrupper stallions. That would put some substance in but also put better paces on.
One small one I can think of is Holmegards Bastian, he is only 157cm, SPSS graded and is competing PSG, and has a big pop. I've seen him out and about and he is a perfect gent with a really nice temperament.
 
Although, looking back, the OP was considering a coloured horse, and perhaps that is where their real interest lies. There is a great selection of coloured horses all over the world, including Quarter Horses with some interesting frame overo patterns and colours. There are coloured warmblood stallions about, but I find a lot of them are over big and have short, upright pasterns.

I'm no expert on colour genetics or QH either, but perhaps some of our resident colour genetics experts can help on that one. I've seen a few TB x QH and they've been rather nice, and not too big, either!
 
EP2504 said:
I'm not particularly interested in a coloured horse, have just seen a few I like, but thank you :)
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You've raised an interesting point. For the last 30 years I've been advised that 'Everyone wants coloured horses' and I wonder why. John Whitaker jumped a rather splendid stallion which stood at stud, so the horse may have been considered the exception, but I still believe that if we breed for colour, we take our eye away from the points upon which we should focus.

Alec.
 
I completely agree, Alec. I have to say there are very few coloured horses that really float my boat, even though it's lovely to see horses and ponies come in such an amazing array of colours. You have to look beyond the colour at the conformation and ability of the horse. I believe this is being addressed, and I completely support colour-blindness in the show and performance world, but a horse with glaring faults and an inability to carry out the job for which it was bred no matter what its colour should be avoided.

However, I do admit to a soft spot for the perlino Akhal Teke stallion Kambarbay. :D

On the point of AAs - I succumbed and my big TB mare by Generous ex a mare by Halling is booked to the Arab stallion H Tobago ...
 
Hi There
I have sold my stallion so I think I can safely say he can produce wonderful jumping progeny with loads of ability, his daughter is in training now for National hunt she has a great pop like her dad and we have 2 more daughters at home here. please take a look at the link he is just 15.1hh 82.5% TB and you can race his foals or event they will all be coloured as he is homozygous for the tobiano gene http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/stallion_64657.html
 
Tetrarch 1911 said:
However, I do admit to a soft spot for the perlino Akhal Teke stallion Kambarbay. :D

On the point of AAs - I succumbed and my big TB mare by Generous ex a mare by Halling is booked to the Arab stallion H Tobago ...
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I love Akhal tekes, and I am huge colour snob, horses should be bay, chestnut or grey...although I like dun/buckskin and roan...but patches!? Not for me.
H Tobago is sadly dead so I assume you mean frozen?
 
Yes, frozen. Such a loss. I booked her for early 2017, so I'm hoping that I get my Tobagoling. There is limited semen available, so I will probably only get the one chance. Like the OP, I have a big mare and I wanted to go none-TB with her for her first foal. Luckily she's sound, and was originally part of the GB horseball team, so although she was a slow racehorse she is actually very agile for such a big girl. I had thought about Kambarbay, but as my mare is chestnut I think I would be guaranteed a palomino. Don't know if I want a palomino.

I would agree that the AA is an under-appreciated cross at the moment, but I'm quite a fan. I'm not a lover of WBs, so I'm quite limited as to which direction I want to go in.

To be honest, longevity of working life means a lot to me, and I don't want to breed a horse that might not last beyond 8 or 9, which is why I'm such a fan of TBs. Arabs are also tough and long-lived, and I also like the bigger natives as a cross. My horsey hero was Marian Coakes' little showjumper Stroller, all 14.1 of him. He was a TB/Conn cross, won Hickstead and was the only pony to compete in the Olympics, winning a silver. I remember him jumping 7' in the puissance once. He was competing at 20, and died at 36. What a horse!
 
Clodagh said:
I don't think that was aimed at you, I may be wrong but there is a poster on here who recommends their stallion for every mare, I assume it was aimed at them. (And they haven't (yet) anyway. :-)

I like connie x, Templebready Fear Bui would be my choice, but he might be dead/infertile by now, does he have any entire sons standing I wonder?
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Phew I felt a bit admonished. Interested to hear what you're leaning towards. Of course I love an Anglo too and they can be great performance wise but you can get a big horse with that cross too....if you're interested in that you might look at the Arab Horse Society premium scheme.
 
EP2504 said:
I have considered Irish draughts for my mare but she's a big mare herself and I'm not exactly tall so although I want a stallion that has more substance than her (she's a bit spindly bless her!) , I don't want ideally to produce something that would be bigger than her (she was 15.2 and 4 when I bought her and now she's 17hh at 6 so she wasn't exactly ideal haha) and a lot of the ID stallions I've seen and liked are very big, however I'll check out the stallion you've suggested and bare him in mind, thank you :)
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sorry missed the mare height!
Equally lots of nice 15.2 ID stallions!
 
I wouldn't underestimate a good Connie stallion, it's a great cross with TB, hard to beat really for an eventer. It's just a matter of investigating to get the real movement. But it is there. I recently sold an overheight Connie, and am getting lovely photos now of him winning dressage competitions in the UK. He won his first ever competition and has won every weekend since. He's by Leag, don't know a whole lot about him but there are some great Connie stallions out there. Might be worth checking out the Cliften stallion parade on YouTube for ideas. I know they look quite ponyish but the resulting foal won't be, they make a really great cross with a TB.
 
I agree, although I quite like coloured horses, I would never breed specifically for colour, there are far too many people around doing that and yes alright you get an interesting looking horse with regards to colour, you also get a not-so-fun interesting horse with regards to conformation defaults!
I would always judge a coloured horse as if it were a solid colour
 
Have you looked at Thorpley Stud, Bruce Mckim. They have 2 really nice pure ID stallions and one part ID, Cos Me Is Black. He has the most amazing temperament combined with real talent. He has done Open Team Chasing one day and then a RDA lesson the next. Personally, although good confirmation is a must for me the temperament is incredibly important, if they are not kind and willing you are going nowhere however beautiful and talented they are.
 
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