stallion dilemma (long one!!)

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ok....

so here's the story - as brief as i can make it.....

i have a stallion - late starter in life (never bred) who was kept as a pet before i got him and did the odd bit of dressage...... i bought him, and have been schooling him and producing him for jumping - his jump is GIGANTIC!
however - due to financial difficulties - he hasnt been out competing much (only twice - placed both times) and his BSJA membership - which cost me £1000 extra per year - has now expired.....
i had hoped to get him graded.... but for a few reasons (including his lack of competition record), i dont think he's ready to pass just yet.......
so thought i could put him forward for BSJA assessment but have been told i cant as this is only for 3 4 and 5 year olds!!!

so at 9 - an age i'd really rather not have to geld at.... with a stallion - who its the most gentle, mannerly horse you have ever met.... who we truly believe could be a phenomenal show jumper... (and if he was - we would of course like to breed from him)... it seems my only option may well be....the snip..... i really dont want to but i just cant afford to pay out the £1000 extr each year!

i just cant believe its this difficult to keep a kind quality horse entire........ i know the idea is to stop every tom dick and harry from keeping (and breeding from) stallions that they perhaps aren't capable of handling properly.... but COME ON!!!!!

i really feel like im stuck between a rock and a hard place right now!!!!

ok rant over!!!

any ideas / input welcome!!!!

thanks for reading!!!
 
Event him instead if he is suitable BE are less restrictive on competing a stallion ,indeed so are BD and if you can prove him in either of these fields you could then get him graded.
 
Are his papers and breeding worth the trouble?
If he has half decent papers you might have an option to syndicate him = get a group of interested people together to divide the expenses by given them a part ownership in the stallion.
It the way alot of minor breeders do it in Europe to keep a stallion entact and to be able to keep at least a share in the ownership.
 
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Are his papers and breeding worth the trouble?
If he has half decent papers you might have an option to syndicate him = get a group of interested people together to divide the expenses by given them a part ownership in the stallion.
It the way alot of minor breeders do it in Europe to keep a stallion entact and to be able to keep at least a share in the ownership.

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This was a question i was going to ask, Im sure there must be plenty of people who would be interested in this sort of proposition!
It would be a shame if he is as lovely as you say, and risk some owners missing out on reproducing something which is talented and with good temperament.
 
his breeding if full of top international breeding both dressage and jumping (dont have papers to hand to tell you who!)...

thats a great idea... thank you....
 
You could grade with the Scottish Sports Horse. Its all done in hand and loose, so you dont have to worry about the competition or showing him under saddle. If he passed then you have 4 years to get to the minimum requirement in sport (and this can be extended in certain circumstances).

Just another idea to throw into the pot for you.
 
I know sport horse GB have their grading coming up in a few weeks. I'm sure when I was there last year there was a horse there just for BSJA assesment so that it didn't have to pay the full wack for bsja membership. It might be worth giving them a call. See if you can have the assesment now then you can think about where to grade him etc.

Although running a stallion, and the cost of gradings are not cheap so it may also be worth you looking seriously with an unbiased view of whether or not it is worth keeping him entire.
 
shb will look at any age stallion? again shown inhand loose and ridden, will take all you tell them in to consideration. worth a try, i would like to get my stallion graded but his breed society wont look at him now as he is to old (14), same with the aes, only shb will consider him as he has competed to medium dressage and is stunning, he has only ever competed and never been to public stud. im not to concerned as he is only for my mares and breed society will give me part bred trakehner papers for my foals, hope you work some thing out.
 
I would take your horse eventing, or you could find some one to sponsor your horse ( eaiser said than done but it some times works) this would help with the costs.

It will cost about £1000 to put your horse through the grading, but you can not be sure of him passing! The SHB (GB) closing date was the 22/9 for the October gradings (22 & 23). the next ones are in April. I think the AES is in November.

The whole BSJA issue with the additional fees for stallions stinks, just a complete ripoff.
 
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The whole BSJA issue with the additional fees for stallions stinks, just a complete ripoff.

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The other thing about this is that in the long term it serves no purpose at all (other than to give the BSJA money) because its a one off thing, and the BSJA dont actually check up on it, especially if a stallion is coming in from abroad.
 
Just wanted to say that I agree that you should definitely take your horse eventing. It sounds like he should do well in this and this could give him the credibility he needs. I know that it is difficult if you weren't aiming for this but if you go for a grading I understand that his age and lack of mileage will probably go against him so the only other jumping discipline that will support potentially talented stallions is eventing. Just to add my rant; I totally agree that the BSJA (B**ger Show Jumping Amateurs) is on a money trip. It ain't rocket science; a stallion does well then they may have something or they do rubbish (consistently) then they are probably worth avoiding. How does the BSJA justify charging £1,000.00 for the privilage of Joe Public seeing this?
 
hi!! thanks for all the replies........ its nice to know im not alone with my views on the BSJA and their idiotic money making schemes!!!!
if you ask me - if they want to assess anyone/anything - it should be the riders - to make sure they're safe to be at a show!!!!! 2 shows running now - i have seen someone (different both times) run there horse up the back of someone and get kicked.... and seen horses that definitely need a red ribbon in their tale!!!!!
so......... how much do i need to do eventing to get him graded??? not very experienced with BE... have done BSJA all my life (although it seems i get nothing back from them in return!!!!!).............

thanks everyone
 
Interested to know more about BSJA fees for stallions as I was thinking of registering Felix next year if he's going well.

I looked on the website and it didn't say anything about extra fees that I could see on the forms! I did just scan through them quickly though!!

So how much extra is it?
 
Don't get me started on BSJA fees for stallions. It is total discrimination. The reason they quote is one of health & safety but that is clearly untrue. They would have a case for a stallion to be licensed by a recognised authority but performance assessed, erh no.

It is worse if you have a pony stallion as they are expected to be assessed over the same track (1.03M) as the horses when the junior classes start at 70cm for intros.
 
i can understand peoples frustration with it as im going to be facing the same problem as i hope to jump my young stallion but at the same time i can understand why they do it. stallions are becoming something of a fashion accessorie. there are so many stallions at shows nowadays and like it or not there is more chance of accidents at shows the more stallions that there are about. so its just a way of decreasing these numbers so you only get the ones talented enough to pass the grading, or people willing to pay the stupidly high fees. i think it actually works well, no doubt if mine proves not good enough to grade ill change my mind on that tho!
 
Just out of interest, what happens with the BSJA if the stallion in question is a breed that doesn't have gradings, such as an Arab?

(I'm planning to present my Arab for grading anyway, with the TBF and maybe another sport-horse stud book, but this is unusual - most Arab stallions are just licensed with the AHS, who don't do gradings.)
 
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Just out of interest, what happens with the BSJA if the stallion in question is a breed that doesn't have gradings, such as an Arab?

(I'm planning to present my Arab for grading anyway, with the TBF and maybe another sport-horse stud book, but this is unusual - most Arab stallions are just licensed with the AHS, who don't do gradings.)

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You have to have it performance graded by another society and then undergo an assessment by a BSJA assessor....
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Hi To go eventing with BE there are no additional fees. you will need to get some stallion discs at £2.00 and have these dispayed at all times + some other rules when your at shows etc, but nothing out of the ordinary. Its all in the rule book and they do a reduced membership costs and half year rate for the back part of the year.
 
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