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Does anyone have any advice for preperation for gradings. Any tips for on the day etc? I have never attended a stallion grading so am not sure exactly what to expect and the standard I need to achieve. I am unable to really prepare at the moment as fields are flooded and I don't yet have an arena. I may be able to hire one out before the day. Will I be too under prepared????
 
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You did not say what grading you are going forward for. Most gradings have them trotting up, running a triangle in hand, letting them loose school and you will need to practice loose jumping this you will need a school for although we never over practiced it. The handler really needs to be able to run and yes you do need a lot of practice so that the horse is really responsive we practiced every day for 6 weeks doing different elements.

Good luck
 
its for equicors grading on the 19th of this month. they are shown in hand on a hard surface for the trot up, then on a triangle, then loose jumping down a lane.thats what i was told when i enquired. gool luck, you will be fine.
 
Most grading require a 5 stage vetting before hand.
This is the case for SHB[GB], AES, and BWBS.
Those above require the inhand as well as a ridden test. Depending on age as to the requirements, AES for example only require walk and trot test undersaddle for the dressage horses , cant tell you how much thety expect for the jumpers.
Preperation is important , they must be really at ease with the jumping lane so that they can produce their best, with my first stallion i got Geof Luckett to help , it was good to have someone like him as he could help with the distances and also to go to a strange environment meant that my stallion did not go to pieces when in the grading lane.
I had also been out a fair bit undersaddle so that he could cope and show himself to his best.
Most books accept the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect horse but you have to be clear in the knowledge that your horse has value genetically and conformationally .
If you dont think he is ready yet then do a bit more this year get him out undersaddle etc and then either do the spring or next year.
Its better to wait than go poorly prepared.
Goodluck.
 
He behaved himself well at the Futurity. He is not being ridden, just in hand as only 3 and will not be in proper work until next year. I am practicing getting him to stand still - this is his most difficult thing! He knows all about the jumping lanes. I guess I am just worried as I don't know what to expect.

Also I have not heard anything from them since sending my entry in 3 weeks ago. I am getting him graded with Equicours. I have been unable to get hold of them by phone or email - they are not answering my messages. The lady there is usually very good at getting back to me and has been very helpful. So this is what is causing me concern more than anything. Is anyone else grading with them?
 
Are they a WBF recognised book?? I have never heard of them, for me , as a stallion and mare owner i wont consider a book that is not a full member as the off spring are'nt eligable to take part in international young horse classes.
I can understand your concerns regarding not having heard from them... have the cashed your cheque????
 
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Are they a WBF recognised book?? I have never heard of them, for me , as a stallion and mare owner i wont consider a book that is not a full member as the off spring are'nt eligable to take part in international young horse classes.
I can understand your concerns regarding not having heard from them... have the cashed your cheque????

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Equicours is the official UK daughter socoety of the Selle Francais, so is both an Defra-listed stud book PIo and has membership of the WBFSH though Selle Francais do should be OK on all of those criteria.
 
I got hold of them today. I have decided to withdraw him, cheque not cashed so I have not lost anything.

I am thinking about taking him to the AES one in November instead. We will see what happens but at least it will give me a bit more time. I will go and watch at Equicours, see what it is all about. Equicours is quite a new thing, I don't think it has been going for very long. One of the graders from the Selle Francais studbook is coming over from france to judge at the grading, I don't know who the other judge will be. Maybe not a bad idea to go with a better known studbook?
 
Who says that ZfdP does not grade Selle Francais x Hanoverian into German Warmblood? I do not see any reason why they should not do so. They even have Selle Francais stallions in their stallion register (so have several German Warmblood Societies)
as this is a European recognized association.

ZfdP Stallion List for German Warmblood (sorry, cannot set a direct link):
http://www.zfdp.de
Then go to HVP - then chose in the field for "Zuchtbuch" -> "Deutsches Pferd" and then click the button "anzeigen"

 
Pendragon hope you can answer my questions. ZFDP will do stallion grading 2009? What does it consist of for older stallions 5yrs +? Can stallions do a performance test to?

Also what do the mare gradings consist of, are there any mare performance tests or just simple grading? My mare is irish sport horse, are they accepted? Thanks for your help.
 
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Most grading require a 5 stage vetting before hand.
This is the case for SHB[GB], AES, and BWBS.
Those above require the inhand as well as a ridden test. Depending on age as to the requirements, AES for example only require walk and trot test undersaddle for the dressage horses , cant tell you how much thety expect for the jumpers.


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Dressage horses are expected to walk, trot AND canter under saddle for their grading with AES.

Horses over the age of 3 are not permitted to loose jump, they have to be shown over a course of fences, which gets higher the older the horse is.
 
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AES for example only require walk and trot test undersaddle for the dressage horses , cant tell you how much thety expect for the jumpers.


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With the AES Dressage horse are suppose to perform a FEI age test in correspondance with their age but in reality the horses get asked to walk, trot and canter on each rein on the day instead.

Horses over 3 with exception of Dressage horses are required to jump a course of fences, 1m for 4yo, 1.15 for 5yo... and so on in line with the age classes.

Hope that helps
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http://www.angloeuropeanstudbook.info/Inside%20Schedule%2008.pdf
 
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AES for example only require walk and trot test undersaddle for the dressage horses , cant tell you how much thety expect for the jumpers.


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With the AES Dressage horse are suppose to perform a FEI age test in correspondance with their age but in reality the horses get asked to walk, trot and canter on each rein on the day instead.

Horses over 3 with exception of Dressage horses are required to jump a course of fences, 1m for 4yo, 1.15 for 5yo... and so on in line with the age classes.

Hope that helps
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i was talking about a 3yr old stallion as in this case as when i phoned the AES they said it would only be walk and trot under saddle ad loose schooling for the rest of the assesment.
i have not used them, so their system seemed a bit odd to me i have only worked with the stud books abroad and the SHB[GB] in this country.
Have not heard the best reports re: AES so obvously if you find somthing bettter and more consistent with your horses breeding then that would be the way to go.
 
@joeathh: I have sent you a PM as requested.

For more information regarding ZfdP gradings in the U.K. you will find a link to the ZfdP U.K. grading site here:
http://www.ukknabstrupperassociation.co.uk

Please note that the ZfdP does hold studbooks for at least 46 different horse and pony breeds, and nearly every breed can be registered as there are also studbooks that consist of different breeds in case that the population of one breed is not big enough (less 50 horses of a breed).
 
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i was talking about a 3yr old stallion as in this case as when i phoned the AES they said it would only be walk and trot under saddle ad loose schooling for the rest of the assesment.
i have not used them, so their system seemed a bit odd to me i have only worked with the stud books abroad and the SHB[GB] in this country.
Have not heard the best reports re: AES so obvously if you find somthing bettter and more consistent with your horses breeding then that would be the way to go.

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In all the AES stallion gradings that I have attended, 3 year olds were ridden in walk, trot and canter, if they were backed. Unbacked 3 year olds were shown loose. All showjumping stallions that were put forward were jumped, either loose or under saddle.

I don't see how that could be odd, they had exactly the same system as the KWPN stallion gradings in UK that I have attended. As I have only ever attended either an AES grading or a KWPN grading I can not speak for the format of other societies. However, although I was not there, I know that when my stallion was graded SSH, he underwent a very similar format.
 
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