Stallion needed Oxon/Berks/Wilts area

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Can anyone please advise me of a suitable stallion. My mare is 21 (yes I knnow she's old but had one before and vet advising me to try again) so I need something that's fertile - therefore not too old!

About 16-16.2hh, pref TB or a nice lighter weight sports horse. Oxon/Wilts/Berks area. Was going to go to a stallion next week, but stud owners insisting on no foal free return, which I just can't risk as she's old and may not get in foal - failed to conceive last year. I'd like a no foal no fee term.

Has leg injuries which haven't really healed, which is why I'm giving covering one last bash.

Max £400.

Thanks
 
In the nicest possible way do you actually want the foal or are you just putting your mare in foal because she's no use for anything else at the minute?

If it's the latter I think you should put some serious consideration into actually going through with it.
There are a ridiculous amount of horses out there because of people overbreeding (epidemic!) and it would be a shame to bring another into the world if it wasn't done with much forethought.
Although your vet has OK'd it, it will put a toll on her for no reason if you're not planning a future with the foal.
 
I am aware of the overproduction - I work in the TB industry so know all too well the problems. I have had my mare for 17 years. She bred a stunning colt a few years back who sadly broke a leg in a paddock accient. Unlike most breeders, I am a knowledgeable breeder and will have a future for the foal. It will never be sold and will be a competition horse to replace my mare.

However, I appreciate your concern, there are far too many people breeding for the wrong reason.
 
Dizzle said:
Tb stallion in Gloucestershire (about 5-10 miles from Oxfordshire border):

http://www.bourtonvaleequestrian.co.uk/id18.html

I've met two of this year's foals, they're super one full tb and one tbx welsh.
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OMG - I would not send a mare there or recommend it on viewing their video of the stallion covering. Ok so they have hats and gloves on but..... covering outside his box on an open patch of concrete, the mare was not restrained effectively, kicking out at the stallion and had no felt boots on, no one checked the stallion had ejaculated (you have to feel for that), stallion was poorly handled and dismounted badly, how his handler ended up on the other side I have no idea. Stallion also did not appear to be washed off afterwards. All of that coupled with the giggling girls taking photos - purleese. The foals might be super but I would rather AI judging from their efforts at covering - dangerous for all involved by the looks of it.
 
Dizzle said:
Tb stallion in Gloucestershire (about 5-10 miles from Oxfordshire border):

http://www.bourtonvaleequestrian.co.uk/id18.html

I've met two of this year's foals, they're super one full tb and one tbx welsh.
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Holy crap! :eek: I've just watched the video Laafet mentioned. Gee whizz that was an eye opener! :eek:

OP, you may find few stallion owners willing to give you a LFG guarantee. Many make the cut-off for mares older than 14 years old, some have a cut-off older than that so you might have to shop around.
 
willesley equine clinic (tetbury, gloucs) have a walk in almost full tb coloured stallion called master harlequine who is natural cover, and in budget, terms are nffr, but maybe worth contacting them and see if they are flexible? http://www.equineai.co.uk/index.php/2010/01/21/master-harleyquin/

One more tiger is natural cover too I believe, fab pedigree being by the famous java tiger, quality stallion, throwing good stock, in budget and stands in surrey (not sure how this is for distance for you?) http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk/onemoretiger.htm same again with the terms, but always worth a call to see if flexible!
 
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Good god....why on EARTH would you put this video out for public viewing?! Hideous - no proper teasing of the mare (quite frankly, they are lucky the stallion didn't have his legs broken....quite a few other mares would have absolutely belted him with an approach like that - in season or not.), no kind of control of the stallion when mounting/mounted, and I would bet a fairly large sum of money that the mare is not in foal, as I am pretty sure he didn't ejaculate!

Quite shocked actually.
 
I know it does not happen out in the wild, but why is the mare's tail not bandaged? Im sure I have read of stallions suffering injuries because of the hair.

Poster if you have connections with the racing community surely someone you know must know of a stallion. I think posters are just plucky names out the sky when we have no idea of what the mare is like. A photo of these mares is the least posts like these should manage along with her breeding if known. Breeding because people could end up suggesting stallions to closely related.
 
Laafet said:
OMG - I would not send a mare there or recommend it on viewing their video of the stallion covering. Ok so they have hats and gloves on but..... covering outside his box on an open patch of concrete, the mare was not restrained effectively, kicking out at the stallion and had no felt boots on, no one checked the stallion had ejaculated (you have to feel for that), stallion was poorly handled and dismounted badly, how his handler ended up on the other side I have no idea. Stallion also did not appear to be washed off afterwards. All of that coupled with the giggling girls taking photos - purleese. The foals might be super but I would rather AI judging from their efforts at covering - dangerous for all involved by the looks of it.
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And on top of that, I'm fairly sure that the stallion didn't even ejaculate if you watch the video closely! Pregnancy rates aren't going to be great if they keep doing that.. terrible, terrible, terrible.
 
OP - My stallion Aeroplane is now available AI, at the cheaper non TB rate (£250). He collects at Meadow Stud which is Gloucester and I would consider some sort of deal on the fee. His details are at www.ukbloodstock.com.
TBH, with an older mare you are just as well going the AI route, as you'd have to make sure everything is spot on for natural covering anyway.
 
Well, as someone has said above a great how NOT to...

I am sure though that if you listened to the girls involved they are all experts and run their own 'stud' and some idiots would ask them for advice.

Why the muzzle? A very short clip rope that even then gets all round the mares face. That mare must be a saint to let all that go on and the horse must have a good temp to walk away back to his stable without ejaculating.

Word fail me...
 
Laafet said:
OMG - I would not send a mare there or recommend it on viewing their video of the stallion covering. Ok so they have hats and gloves on but..... covering outside his box on an open patch of concrete, the mare was not restrained effectively, kicking out at the stallion and had no felt boots on, no one checked the stallion had ejaculated (you have to feel for that), stallion was poorly handled and dismounted badly, how his handler ended up on the other side I have no idea. Stallion also did not appear to be washed off afterwards. All of that coupled with the giggling girls taking photos - purleese. The foals might be super but I would rather AI judging from their efforts at covering - dangerous for all involved by the looks of it.
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Good lord! I wouldn't let those muppets within a million miles of my mare :(
 
Thanks guys

These definitely give me a good idea. Much more informative than Google!!

Yes, agree the video is shocking. I've personally been involved with a lot of coverings - they're going to get the stallion kicked comimg directly behind a mare like that - and you'd never boast that he's good as he's in a headcollar! Madness

Thanks again
 
Quote from the website...

"Rocky covering his latest mare in just a headcolar proving how easy he is"

Well it is certainly proving something, mainly how badly the horsemanship is around poor Rocky - unbelievable that anyone would think this suitable advertising for their stallion.
 
It does seem to be blocked now - shame, I've not attended many coverings and would have been interested to see what the hoo-ha was about!!
 
i would of blocked that link too!!!

You really didn't miss anything apart from how NOT to cover a mare!
 
AMH said:
It does seem to be blocked now - shame, I've not attended many coverings and would have been interested to see what the hoo-ha was about!!
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Simple, they walked the stallion out of his stable, in just a headcolar & leadrope, straight up behind the mare. When she stopped bucking at him, he jumped her wam, bam thank you mam off he went & was walked back to his stable. It looks as if he had not actually "shot his load". There was no teasing of the mare shown, & she was double double barrelling him as he approached. The handlers were probably doing just what they have been taught to do, but it was very unsafe & either animal could of got loose. Each to their own, but not the safest way & not for public display unless you want to get slated on H&H, LOL
 
to get back to your original question..I'm not sure what you want to 'correct' or improve in your mare but you might want to look slightly outside of TB into some of the lighter warmbloods. I'm using Valesco this year who has plenty of progeny on the ground doing well and although he is getting on a bit his fertility is still outstanding. When you see a horse in his 20's moving as well as he still does it gives you hope that the progeny could have the same kind of longevity.

also, he is on 28 day terms..so less concerns about conception in your older mare
 
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