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Hi,

I would love your opinions for suitable stallions for my two maiden mares;


The first is a 16.1 8yr old quality mare by Aldatus Z out of a mare by a RID approved Irish draught 'Silver Hunter'. Excellent conformation and super jump, she BSJA'd before her career was cut short by injury. I'm looking for possible showjumping and Event stallions.


The other mare is a 17 h TB mare by Le moss. She's a big mare with good bone/movement/jump.I Would like put her to a compact dr stallion or maybe an event stallion.

All opinions will be gratefully recieved !
 
What are the weaknesses or areas you would like to improve in conformation or movement?

What job will the foals be doing?
 
Thanks for the replies.

The foals will more than likely be for sale.

The 8 year old mare I feel I'd like her to produce either a sj or event foal so either a good jumping stallion or something with more blood for an event foal.
She has very good conformation and a lovely nature, her movement is straight shes very active but if anything it could be a little bigger.

The other mare is a 'chaser' type so she could do with a compact powerful stallion with good straight movement, her foal would be for eventing. She too has a lovely temperament.

Will try to get some pics.

Thanks !
 
Without seeing pics of the mare and simply going on the type you want to get and what would tick those boxes, I would recommend the cracking TB stallion Sula Blue who imo is one of the nicest TB eventing stallions around, for the 8 yr old mare. And the Trakehner stallion Craig for the 17h mare as he is very blood in type and would refine and whilst he himself is aiming at eventing he is close coupled and dressage bred, being full brother to the GP dressage stallion Connery.
 
For the first mare I would go TB or near TB to get speed and some refinement.

Thinking commercially something like Power Blade or Revolution as they are both producing stock that performs with rideability. I've seen some of the latters offspring at the Futurity and was very impressed with them.

Primitive Proposal and Primitive Faerie Tale are also very commercial eventing stallions.

Like you I like compact and used a KWPN dressage stallion called Mooiman on my 7/8TB mare (she is old-fashioned NH bloodlines). I liked the results so much I went back for 2nds and 3rds :D
Although his record is as an international dressage horse he is out of a Roemer mare and Roemer was known for producing eventers.
My 7yo is being aimed for dressage as is her 3yo brother but they both have tremendous ground speed. I don't jump so the mare has not really been taught although she jumped out of the field fully rugged as a weanling! The 3yo jumps anything he can find in the field and he will be at least loose jumped as I am planning on grading him as a stallion later on. A friend has one by Mooiman also out of a TB mare and he jumps for fun as well as being a good dressage horse. He is only 16.2hh so you might tone the height down a bit. He is one of the top 10 stallions in the Netherlands for offspring performance.

This is my now 3yo at his 2yo Futurity evaluation

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This is older sister as a 4yo

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and Mum on the move and stood up. She was very preggers in the second pic.

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Legrande would be worth a look as well as he is dual purpose. His youngstock are only just coming up to ridden level but have done well in the Futurity.
 
Thanks again for all suggestions ! .

I had thought of revolution but swaying more on the pure sj lines for the first mare. Also he's a little small.

Mooiman is a stallion I wasn't familiar with but you've had a lovely youngster from him.

What are your thoughts on Franklyn Sugar, Wolkenderry and Dark de Niro ?

Thanks !
 
Franklyn Sugar, Wolkenderry and Dark de Niro are all superb!!!! Very different in their own ways but all have excellent temperaments and certainly seem to be throwing it (well in their first foals as much as you can tell). Dark de Niro would be a good option for the second mare as he is 1/2 TB and so would add the eventing side and the dressage.
 
Ive heard really good things about all three of them but Dark De Niro was a potential choice for the smaller mare.

Do you know what the first foals are like type generally what they're throwing ?

Thanks
 
Give it some more time - people will answer, probably this evening when more people are online. :)

I can't help you as I am an arab person, but this post will bump the thread for you.
 
Faracat said:
Give it some more time - people will answer, probably this evening when more people are online. :)

I can't help you as I am an arab person, but this post will bump the thread for you.
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I only reposted because I hadn't finished the stallions name ! And I was genuinely thankful for everyone's help. Stallions are a minefield !.

Thankyou !
 
The Dark De Niro foals I have seen so far are very typey of the De niro stamp and so I imagine will be quite 'dressagey'....we shall see though as there have only been a couple. VERY nice foals in all though.

Treliver Decanter is a TRUE golden wonder! Just breathtaking in the flesh and a privilege to watch working. He is a BIG lad though and so I wouldn't imagine you would get refinement. You would get something very very nice but he would be one to add, not decrease substance.
 
A R+TB LeMoss mare? Not too many around, serious eventing blue blood there. I would be tempted to go TB on her to get a filly to carry on the line, a good event bred TB, like Powerblade (Forties Field) or Loughehoe Guy, or Diamond Discovery, proven lines.
There is also Jackaroo, High Kingdom and Mandiba's full stallion brother and more than 7/8ths TB for both, and he's by Master Imp.
If you got a nice colt out of the LeMoss, assuming the dam line is good with your mare, would you consider running him on? LeMoss is one of the best sporthorse/pointing TB lines, and there isn't too much of it about. Providing your mare is real quality that is!
I would deffo to TB on the Aldatus mare, some blood wouldn't hurt there.
You could go half bred on the Le Moss mare if you are breeding to sell? There are a load of Cruising line stallions out there to put a bit of 'bounce' into TB mares and tighten the NH types up. Also a bit of ID brain never goes amiss! I think Honor Cruise is a nice blood type, and proving himself in competition at the moment?
 
gadetra said:
A R+TB LeMoss mare? Not too many around, serious eventing blue blood there. I would be tempted to go TB on her to get a filly to carry on the line, a good event bred TB, like Powerblade (Forties Field) or Loughehoe Guy, or Diamond Discovery, proven lines.
There is also Jackaroo, High Kingdom and Mandiba's full stallion brother and more than 7/8ths TB for both, and he's by Master Imp.
If you got a nice colt out of the LeMoss, assuming the dam line is good with your mare, would you consider running him on? LeMoss is one of the best sporthorse/pointing TB lines, and there isn't too much of it about. Providing your mare is real quality that is!
I would deffo to TB on the Aldatus mare, some blood wouldn't hurt there.
You could go half bred on the Le Moss mare if you are breeding to sell? There are a load of Cruising line stallions out there to put a bit of 'bounce' into TB mares and tighten the NH types up. Also a bit of ID brain never goes amiss! I think Honor Cruise is a nice blood type, and proving himself in competition at the moment?
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Hi, Thankyou for the great advice. She's was bred by my parents a beautiful
Le moss mare who never raced but should have !!!!!, she's a cracking stamp who moves well and seriously jumps !. Excellent temperament. I have considered carrying on the line. Powerblade has been advised to me and revolution ?..... What do you think ?.
 
eventrider23 said:
The Dark De Niro foals I have seen so far are very typey of the De niro stamp and so I imagine will be quite 'dressagey'....we shall see though as there have only been a couple. VERY nice foals in all though.

Treliver Decanter is a TRUE golden wonder! Just breathtaking in the flesh and a privilege to watch working. He is a BIG lad though and so I wouldn't imagine you would get refinement. You would get something very very nice but he would be one to add, not decrease substance.
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Hi !, thanks for the response, dark de Niro I've heard good things from a friend of mine who's friends with his rider.

Treliver Decanter is stunning but a one off despote dimaggio ?, his youngstock seem commercial but some I have seen haven't been that great but if people are simply hoping in colour and the mare is not that quality ??. H
 
I would be inclined to go with PowerBlade as I have met him and like him a lot. He has a lot of quality and it would be nice to bring those two pedigree's together.
The nicest TB stalltion I have seen standing at the minute is Pointilliste. He's be Giant's Causeway and is standing to replace Master Imp at Slyguff. They don't do AI or advertising though so unless you want to trael he may not be an option.
I've heard Powerblade's can be sharp. I liked him but he didn't get a lot of mares over here. Maybe he's the reverse Ghareeb!
 
Of the stallions discussed so far I would agree with the Power Blade suggestion.

I am also a fan of Mill Law who is 7/8ths TB with a dash of arab which can only help the staying power! I have a lovely yearling filly by him out of a Jumbo mare and his offspring are really producing the goods up the eventing scale.
 
My Tb mare has a lovely nature and is currently babysitting my youngster however if Powerblade is sharp and was not overly popular it concerns me from a selling point of view ?????


Opinions would be great :)
 
Mackenzie6 said:
My Tb mare has a lovely nature and is currently babysitting my youngster however if Powerblade is sharp and was not overly popular it concerns me from a selling point of view ?????


Opinions would be great :)
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There are a million reasons why stallions are and aren't successful. With Powerblade, it could be a Ghareeb situation Ghareeb stood in UK first but didn't do well but was very popular over here.
I haven't heard anyting specifically bad about him, as I have with other TB stallions. I liked him, seen him winning his Croker cup and he was nice and calm with me in his stable afterwards.
Re temp, the niceset natured stallion of any kind I have met is Riyalan, a TB, who does stand AI. I Met him at Dublin a few times and at Cavan, where loads of stuff was going on around him and other stallions and horses going past him and his owner was at the end of a long rope sitting on a car bonnet with Riyalan resting a leg! He is a nice big scopey type, but not angular, neat. I really like him but he is very far away from me, but near the ferry!!
http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/stallion_39173.html
 
My mare is 'sharp' in the nicest possible way - quick off the leg but equally is not a horse that has to be ridden every day to keep her sane. I just got on and rode her in the field with the foal at foot after she had her first one. She is not total saint though as she can throw a cheeky buck in now and again (never to get you off). Her Mooiman daughter is fairly similar (has a much better motor behind) but is a much bolder character than Mum and has an even better work ethic/trainability than Mum (who was good in that department). The 3yo stallion is very laid back - I sent him away for long reining training last autumn and the chap could not believe how sensible he is and found him very quick to pick things up.
 
Powerblade's are cool, and he SJ'd well himself in his day. He's popular to put on conformation, quality and jump. There's a fair bit of his progeny out and about doing nice things, a fair amount still in Ireland though.

Carousel stands where Powerblade does - he's the sire of Carousel Quest - he's a Holstein horse with TB further back which shows in him. Very compact, quality, really really moves. Has progeny at the top of their game in every discipline. Worth a look.
 
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