Stallion suggestions please (showjumpers)

UK based Stallions i would say Super Trooper De Ness or Argento then overseas, Balou Du Rouet, Toulon, Actionbreaker or Check In. I have a Toulon mare she is fab, my friend has a Check In colt who is very nice, my all time favorite is Balou Du Rouet who i will probably use on my Toulon mare when we are ready to breed from her and i am torn between Super Trooper and Argento for my Darco mare who we will breed fromi n a couple of years :D
 
Thanks Anne GTI. Can I pester you some more? Definitely not confused with Padinus as I know him, my other Burggraff x Número Uno mare had a fab foal by Padinus. In 2006 we bought a Burggraff mare in foal to Tangelo V D Zoothoeve. & foaled it down @ Nijhof. At the time we was competing close by @ took a look round the stallions. We choose Verdi as we had seen him out with Michael competing against my son in YR classes. I was certain Nijhof said Verdi had been retired to stud at approx 6/7yrs old. ( this was 2007) I really liked him & all the young stock they had, but was concerned if he had some injury ( or problem) to be retired to stud at such a young age. Then, voila he appeared at Olympia (I think) in 2009. I am really pleased if it is the same Verdi. It would appear it is.
Thanks for your help, if you can confirm or give more info I would be grateful
 
Navalgem said:
Thanks for all the replies!

Lots of food for thought - Verdi is an interesting one as I considered him for her 3 years ago but as she was only small and a maiden I wanted a smaller stallion 1st time round. I adore his breeding - Quidam de Revel x Landgraf I x Calypso I. Anyone know anything about his competition record?

I've also had Kannan and Cicero Van Paemel mentioned to me. Kannan's youngsters seem to be doing very well in young horse classes - I don't know much about Cicero.

I do really like El Thuder, I first saw him at his AES grading (he was my favourite of the day!) and have watched him at Scope, ER's Tam was stunning and what a fabulous temperament too.

These are some old pics of her taken in January of her 5th Year but closest thing I have to a conformation shot:
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Talking of Kannan. When I was in Lanaken I got speaking to a guy next to me who lives in Belgium. He has used Kannan a couple of times. He said that this stallion can fairly produce the jumpers, and he is listed well in the WBFSH rankings, but that he would always get them x-rayed. Then in the KWPN magazine In De Strengen a couple of weeks ago it mentioned that Kannan has recently been Approved by the KWPN but that his x-rays were not all clean and the stallion was found to have OCD. The KWPN only recently relaxed its x-ray requirements for stallions, more so on stallions who have done well in the sport, but that if they do not have clean x-rays that the KWPN will also publicise this so that mare owners have all the information. Obviously the KWPN would not approve him if he was not producing the results, but I guess mare owners will weigh up all the points.
 
nomis said:
The KWPN only recently relaxed its x-ray requirements for stallions, more so on stallions who have done well in the sport, but that if they do not have clean x-rays that the KWPN will also publicise this so that mare owners have all the information.
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It would be beneficial to mare owners if you could point us in the direction of where the KWPN makes their findings public, please.
 
cruiseline said:
It would be beneficial to mare owners if you could point us in the direction of where the KWPN makes their findings public, please.
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If you are a member of the KWPN then this information is available through their publications. I have not checked the English version of their website to see if it is on there. Another stallion is Bretton Woods (Johnson x De Niro) as his x-rays were not so good either, but has been Approved by the KWPN through his sport achievements.
 
Just curious how many concerned about stallion OCD actually xray their mares? And then of course now the big fad is that OCD is not heritable. Sorry spent too many years galloping in the states to know that certain lines did indeed carry OCD. No not science but its there. I had my mare x-rayed and only use OCD free stallions. So far so good. And I know environmental factors play a roll too so that's my job. Horses can have OCD and it will never bother them which is why I'm guessing rules have been relaxed. Modern technologies mean it can be treated effectively. Still I try and start without the things I know. Did have my mare x-rayed before breeding.

Terri
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
Just curious how many concerned about stallion OCD actually xray their mares? And then of course now the big fad is that OCD is not heritable. Sorry spent too many years galloping in the states to know that certain lines did indeed carry OCD. No not science but its there. I had my mare x-rayed and only use OCD free stallions. So far so good. And I know environmental factors play a roll too so that's my job. Horses can have OCD and it will never bother them which is why I'm guessing rules have been relaxed. Modern technologies mean it can be treated effectively. Still I try and start without the things I know. Did have my mare x-rayed before breeding.

Terri
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Most KWPN breeders have their mare X-rayed since it provides another title to the paper (Elite= Keur + PROK)
All KWPN stallions are X-rayed before the Stallionshow in Den Bosch. And unless there are realy excellent quality/bloodlines/sportresults they never make it to Stegeren. They will strand in the thirth selection round.

A couple of years ago there has been a research on OCD by the KWPN. Conclusion was that 25% of the OCD's were heritable. The other 75% was effected by enviromental factors. 800 yearlings of 20 different stallions were x-rayed. OCD on the knie was most heritable. (50%)

Problem is that OCD can also occur on other joints which weren't x-rayed so the outcome isn't an insurance.

There's alot of hearsay about OCD but in black and white you can't find that information because nobody is interested in a defamation lawsuit.
 
FRESHMAN said:
Thanks Anne GTI. Can I pester you some more? Definitely not confused with Padinus as I know him, my other Burggraff x Número Uno mare had a fab foal by Padinus. In 2006 we bought a Burggraff mare in foal to Tangelo V D Zoothoeve. & foaled it down @ Nijhof. At the time we was competing close by @ took a look round the stallions. We choose Verdi as we had seen him out with Michael competing against my son in YR classes. I was certain Nijhof said Verdi had been retired to stud at approx 6/7yrs old. ( this was 2007) I really liked him & all the young stock they had, but was concerned if he had some injury ( or problem) to be retired to stud at such a young age. Then, voila he appeared at Olympia (I think) in 2009. I am really pleased if it is the same Verdi. It would appear it is.
Thanks for your help, if you can confirm or give more info I would be grateful
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I can imagion Nijhof said that. But I'm 100% sure we are talking about the same Verdi. Earlier I mentioned part of Verdi been taken over from van den Oetelaar because the numbers resently bid for Verdi gave him nightmares. Eric took over part of the ownership to prevent sale abroad. He wouldn't do that if the stallion is going to be taken out of competition on a short notice.
 
Navalgem said:
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These are some old pics of her taken in January of her 5th Year but closest thing I have to a conformation shot:
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Navalgem,

Whilst it may well be the pics, your mare really does seem to be very long backed. That's as an aside.

Have you seen the young horse Curtis? He's with Di Lampard, and we have a recipient mare carrying an embryo by him, and out of a very good Intermediate mare. He is a stunning, and a very able young horse.

Alec.
 
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