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I have decided to put my eventer into foal next year! So i thought I would start looking now as would like to go and visit some stallions etc to make sure i pick the right one. Purdy is an ISH and so was thinking a TB stallion to try and refine her a little bit! She has a temperament to die for, a real sweetie however is a little limited in scope and athleticism and is sometimes too laid back for her own good!

Any suggestions welcome, there seems to be so many event stallions out there i don't know where to start looking!! Thanks in advance :D
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I don't know enough about breeding to suggest a stallion I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think your mare is beautiful! I'm sure she'll produce a stunning foal :)
 
Not quite a TB but everything by him is very athletic, he's also had a couple of years in the Top 50 Sires or youngsters BE too is Bazaars Texas. Graded CHAPS with a fantastic temperament and the scope to go Grade A easily if he had been allowed to (his sire, Dallas Bright Spark, died so he was needed to fill the gap) Stands at Embla Stud near Stafford but does do AI. Sadly, they don't have a website but ring 01785 822221 for more details.
The two in my avatar are by him; the mare is on loan to EventRider on here, if you look through her posts you'll see more of her and the gelding was bought by my vet; both his trainer and myself hoped he'd be doing BYEH this year, he has scope to burn but vet is taking yet more exams so that's been put on the back burner and it'll only be a season hunting for now. They were both out of solid, NH TB mares. Love your mare BTW.
 
Thanks to all for the suggestions so far, i do like the look of Bazaars Texas a lot (found a pic of him on the net!)

Think i am going to have a tough decision on my hands next year!
 
Thanks angrovestud. Both stallions look really lovely my only concern would be their height - i'm quite tall!! Purdy is only 16.1hh but has a fair amount of bone so can carry me easily, if she were any finer i would be pushing it on her and obviously I am aiming for a slightly more refined foal - so it would ideally need to be 16.2 plus.
 
Bearskin said:
Lovely mare. Lots of Stallions to suggest but my first thought was One More Tiger.
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Lol, I didn't want to suggest Tiger because others will think I recommend him for anything so was hoping someone else would come up with him, thanks! :)
But I can thoroughly recommend him as one of the nicest horses you'd meet who passes that temperament on (my filly is almost horizontal) along with movement and athleticism. Millitiger has a lovely youngster by him who is just starting her competitive career, she put up pic's in another thread this week, Baydale also has Myrtle by him and Louise at the stud couldn't be more friendly and helpful if you can get down that far. http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk/onemoretiger.htm

If you do get down that way, make a good trip of it and see the Brendon Stud boys, particularly El Thuder, who might suit; he's throwing impressive stock which are doing well at the Futurities. There's also Primo Pageant down that way too and I'm sure, more I have forgotten. Go on, you know you want a trip to the seaside or combine it with a trip to Hickstead! :D
 
I keep seeing El Thunder recommended as an eventing stallion, but for the life of me I can't understand why. Now, I don't want to argue with anyone, although I'm sure to be shouted at, but here's my reason why I don't believe he is an eventing stallion:

1 - He is an out and out showjumper. Time will tell if he is a good showjumper, and further time will tell if he is a showjumper producer, but at the moment he has only very young stock on the ground. Let us assume (for the sake of being bombarded with abuse) that because he has solid jumper pedigree that he will produce jumpers.

2 - Eventing will never get away from it's requirement for loads of tb blood, that is without question. El Thunder has one tb sire in his fourth generation, Ladykiller, that's it, nothing more. Not really what the modern event breeder is looking for.

3 - Perhaps he will add jump, that remains to be seen of a 6 year old stallion, but with his genetics it's likely.

4 - It is likely that El Thunder is being promoted as an eventing stallion, because he now has a son who whilst ungraded with any society, remains entire and is being marketed as an eventing stallion, even though in his family tree, the first tb blood to appear is again in the fourth generation. I totally understand the motivation, especially as it is the same poster generally, afterall this forum looks like it's a very good place for get some free advertising.

So whilst I will get buried for writing this, perhaps it's time for a little more consideration when recommending stallions for eventing mares, especially as the OP has asked for refining tb type stallions. It would be nice to have a reasoned debate, rather than a slanging match if possible please.
 
Moving right along....

Have you looked at Weston Justice? He is proven by his own performance record and has competed up to Advanced and he has offspring who have done the same. He's also quite tall, 16.3hh I think, so ticks all your boxes!

When you look really hard soundness and ability in a stallion to get to advanced eventing and to pass it on to his offspring is quite rare, some because the stallion isn't old enough yet and some because they either aren't sound enough or don't quite have enough jump or bravery or focus for the dressage. A top event horse is a very rare creature indeed.

There is also Mill Law who has competed to Advanced and is throwing great ability in his offspring. The winner of the 5yo young event horse competition last year was by Mill Law out of an ID x TB mare so he clearly mixes well with mares who carry a bit of heavier blood (although the 3/4 TB, 1/4 ID is the classic recipe for an eventer isn't it? )
 
jervis said:
I keep seeing El Thunder recommended as an eventing stallion, but for the life of me I can't understand why. Now, I don't want to argue with anyone, although I'm sure to be shouted at, but here's my reason why I don't believe he is an eventing stallion:

1 - He is an out and out showjumper. Time will tell if he is a good showjumper, and further time will tell if he is a showjumper producer, but at the moment he has only very young stock on the ground. Let us assume (for the sake of being bombarded with abuse) that because he has solid jumper pedigree that he will produce jumpers.

2 - Eventing will never get away from it's requirement for loads of tb blood, that is without question. El Thunder has one tb sire in his fourth generation, Ladykiller, that's it, nothing more. Not really what the modern event breeder is looking for.

3 - Perhaps he will add jump, that remains to be seen of a 6 year old stallion, but with his genetics it's likely.

4 - It is likely that El Thunder is being promoted as an eventing stallion, because he now has a son who whilst ungraded with any society, remains entire and is being marketed as an eventing stallion, even though in his family tree, the first tb blood to appear is again in the fourth generation. I totally understand the motivation, especially as it is the same poster generally, afterall this forum looks like it's a very good place for get some free advertising.

So whilst I will get buried for writing this, perhaps it's time for a little more consideration when recommending stallions for eventing mares, especially as the OP has asked for refining tb type stallions. It would be nice to have a reasoned debate, rather than a slanging match if possible please.
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Jervis! I think El-Thuder [no N] has been mentioned, [though not actually "promoted"] as he himself is a blood type with a bold jump and fantastic elastic movement, eventing is not my chosen discipline so hence why he hasn't been eventing himself. If you would like to come and see his offspring and the dams for yourself, you will see that he has added super quality and refinement to his foals/kids. Please feel free to pm me if you wish to make an appointment.

I believe many showjumpers when crossed with the correct mare are producing eventers for many levels.
 
jervis said:
I keep seeing El Thunder recommended as an eventing stallion, but for the life of me I can't understand why. Now, I don't want to argue with anyone, although I'm sure to be shouted at, but here's my reason why I don't believe he is an eventing stallion:

1 - He is an out and out showjumper. Time will tell if he is a good showjumper, and further time will tell if he is a showjumper producer, but at the moment he has only very young stock on the ground. Let us assume (for the sake of being bombarded with abuse) that because he has solid jumper pedigree that he will produce jumpers.

2 - Eventing will never get away from it's requirement for loads of tb blood, that is without question. El Thunder has one tb sire in his fourth generation, Ladykiller, that's it, nothing more. Not really what the modern event breeder is looking for.

3 - Perhaps he will add jump, that remains to be seen of a 6 year old stallion, but with his genetics it's likely.

4 - It is likely that El Thunder is being promoted as an eventing stallion, because he now has a son who whilst ungraded with any society, remains entire and is being marketed as an eventing stallion, even though in his family tree, the first tb blood to appear is again in the fourth generation. I totally understand the motivation, especially as it is the same poster generally, afterall this forum looks like it's a very good place for get some free advertising.

So whilst I will get buried for writing this, perhaps it's time for a little more consideration when recommending stallions for eventing mares, especially as the OP has asked for refining tb type stallions. It would be nice to have a reasoned debate, rather than a slanging match if possible please.
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Jervis, I feel obliged to reply to this as whilst you say you are not meaning to be argumentative, yet you clearly are so and seeing as it is my young stallion you are mentioning in point 4 I feel I have to say something. El Thuder might not be your typical event stamp breeding wise, but then is Caretino Glory...is Cavalier Royale...is Jumbo for that matter? No. The stallion himself is marketed as such because crossed with the right mares he SHOULD produce eventers! The stallion himself is of an event stamp and no less likely to succeed were he to turn his hoof to eventing than any other stallion. Look at the Billy Stud breeding programme, which sees many event horses being produced by the superb JUMPING stallion Kannan, who is definitely of a heavier stamp than El Thuder. Look at the eventing sire rankings for 2009 and you will see Ricardo Z and Cavalier Royale appear....surely in your look on things they can only be SJ sires?

My own colt was bred to SJ as yes, that is his breeding....I will not argue with you there...however he himself has come out incredibly blood in stamp and anyone who views him in the flesh thinks him to be a TB! He is ungraded as he is only 2 and not yet been presented. I have every intention of presenting him as a stallion in the autumn of his 3 yr old year when he is old enough to grade. He was presented to the Futuity as a foal and yearling and proclaimed in THEIR words to be the 'ideal modern eventer' in both years. I know that is only as youngstock but as he is still young that is all that can be done.

El Thuder is being promoted as an eventing sire as his foals have all without doubt been blooded and event types and I know his owner will correct me if I am wrong, but surely event riders such as Pippa Funnel, who rates him highly as an event sire, are more qualified to judge as to his worth? ALL of his foals so far have been refined versions of their dam's and therefore hence why Maesfen probably recommended him.

I do not see why Maesfen's simple recommendation of El Thuder has sparked your response? It is completely unneccessary. To bring my colt into it, who was not even mentioned is again unecessary. I never came onto this post recommending my colt as I did not feel as he is unproven I was qualified to say whether he would suit her or not....that will remain to be seen when his first foals hit the ground...out of graded mares. I have not gone into breeding from him unnecessarily but have bred him to mares myself and indeed he was chosen....through no pushing on my part, by Maesfen, to use on her own mare Witches Broom, a TB mare who was the highest graded SHBGB mare in the country in 2009......I think this says it all about some people's opinions of what he will add to the mix.

SJ and dressage sires have long been used to be bred to the right mares to create top class eventers...why are these sires different then from any other non TB stallion that has been used to breed an event horse.

I am sorry if you choose to view this as be jumping on you but I have simply stated facts. Both El Thuder and my own colt (who was never mentioned in this post until you yourself did) have all the qualities necessary in modern event sires - yes more TB would be superb - but crossed to the right mares both stallions could indeed produce top class event horses as well as show jumpers! Let time tell....as I am sure people criticized the use of Jumbo as an event sire when he first started!
 
Charlie007 said:
I noticed your in Lincolnshire. Not sure if they are what your looking for but what about Brackenspa Stud?
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I know of Brackenspa stud as my other mare had her AI done there last year and foaled there this year. They were great people to deal with but I don't think any of their stallions are particularly proven in eventing. I will no doubt be using them again for AI and foaling though!
 
jervis said:
I keep seeing El Thunder recommended as an eventing stallion, but for the life of me I can't understand why. Now, I don't want to argue with anyone, although I'm sure to be shouted at, but here's my reason why I don't believe he is an eventing stallion:

1 - He is an out and out showjumper. Time will tell if he is a good showjumper, and further time will tell if he is a showjumper producer, but at the moment he has only very young stock on the ground. Let us assume (for the sake of being bombarded with abuse) that because he has solid jumper pedigree that he will produce jumpers.

2 - Eventing will never get away from it's requirement for loads of tb blood, that is without question. El Thunder has one tb sire in his fourth generation, Ladykiller, that's it, nothing more. Not really what the modern event breeder is looking for.

3 - Perhaps he will add jump, that remains to be seen of a 6 year old stallion, but with his genetics it's likely.

4 - It is likely that El Thunder is being promoted as an eventing stallion, because he now has a son who whilst ungraded with any society, remains entire and is being marketed as an eventing stallion, even though in his family tree, the first tb blood to appear is again in the fourth generation. I totally understand the motivation, especially as it is the same poster generally, afterall this forum looks like it's a very good place for get some free advertising.

So whilst I will get buried for writing this, perhaps it's time for a little more consideration when recommending stallions for eventing mares, especially as the OP has asked for refining tb type stallions. It would be nice to have a reasoned debate, rather than a slanging match if possible please.
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Jervis, I feel obliged to reply to this as whilst you say you are not meaning to be argumentative, yet you clearly are so and seeing as it is my young stallion you are mentioning in point 4 I feel I have to say something. El Thuder might not be your typical event stamp breeding wise, but then is Caretino Glory...is Cavalier Royale...is Jumbo for that matter? No. The stallion himself is marketed as such because crossed with the right mares he SHOULD produce eventers! The stallion himself is of an event stamp and no less likely to succeed were he to turn his hoof to eventing than any other stallion. Look at the Billy Stud breeding programme, which sees many event horses being produced by the superb JUMPING stallion Kannan, who is definitely of a heavier stamp than El Thuder. Look at the eventing sire rankings for 2009 and you will see Ricardo Z and Cavalier Royale appear....surely in your look on things they can only be SJ sires?

My own colt was bred to SJ as yes, that is his breeding....I will not argue with you there...however he himself has come out incredibly blood in stamp and anyone who views him in the flesh thinks him to be a TB! He is ungraded as he is only 2 and not yet been presented. I have every intention of presenting him as a stallion in the autumn of his 3 yr old year when he is old enough to grade. He was presented to the Futuity as a foal and yearling and proclaimed in THEIR words to be the 'ideal modern eventer' in both years. I know that is only as youngstock but as he is still young that is all that can be done.

El Thuder is being promoted as an eventing sire as his foals have all without doubt been blooded and event types and I know his owner will correct me if I am wrong, but surely event riders such as Pippa Funnel, who rates him highly as an event sire, are more qualified to judge as to his worth? ALL of his foals so far have been refined versions of their dam's and therefore hence why Maesfen probably recommended him.

I do not see why Maesfen's simple recommendation of El Thuder has sparked your response? It is completely unneccessary. To bring my colt into it, who was not even mentioned is again unecessary. I never came onto this post recommending my colt as I did not feel as he is unproven I was qualified to say whether he would suit her or not....that will remain to be seen when his first foals hit the ground...out of graded mares. I have not gone into breeding from him unnecessarily but have bred him to mares myself and indeed he was chosen....through no pushing on my part, by Maesfen, to use on her own mare Witches Broom, a TB mare who was the highest graded SHBGB mare in the country in 2009......I think this says it all about some people's opinions of what he will add to the mix.

SJ and dressage sires have long been used to be bred to the right mares to create top class eventers...why are these sires different then from any other non TB stallion that has been used to breed an event horse.

I am sorry if you choose to view this as be jumping on you but I have simply stated facts. Both El Thuder and my own colt (who was never mentioned in this post until you yourself did) have all the qualities necessary in modern event sires - yes more TB would be superb - but crossed to the right mares both stallions could indeed produce top class event horses as well as show jumpers! Let time tell....as I am sure people criticized the use of Jumbo as an event sire when he first started!
 
eventrider23 said:
Jervis, I feel obliged to reply to this as whilst you say you are not meaning to be argumentative, yet you clearly are so and seeing as it is my young stallion you are mentioning in point 4 I feel I have to say something. El Thuder might not be your typical event stamp breeding wise, but then is Caretino Glory...is Cavalier Royale...is Jumbo for that matter? No. The stallion himself is marketed as such because crossed with the right mares he SHOULD produce eventers! The stallion himself is of an event stamp and no less likely to succeed were he to turn his hoof to eventing than any other stallion. Look at the Billy Stud breeding programme, which sees many event horses being produced by the superb JUMPING stallion Kannan, who is definitely of a heavier stamp than El Thuder. Look at the eventing sire rankings for 2009 and you will see Ricardo Z and Cavalier Royale appear....surely in your look on things they can only be SJ sires?

My own colt was bred to SJ as yes, that is his breeding....I will not argue with you there...however he himself has come out incredibly blood in stamp and anyone who views him in the flesh thinks him to be a TB! He is ungraded as he is only 2 and not yet been presented. I have every intention of presenting him as a stallion in the autumn of his 3 yr old year when he is old enough to grade. He was presented to the Futuity as a foal and yearling and proclaimed in THEIR words to be the 'ideal modern eventer' in both years. I know that is only as youngstock but as he is still young that is all that can be done.

El Thuder is being promoted as an eventing sire as his foals have all without doubt been blooded and event types and I know his owner will correct me if I am wrong, but surely event riders such as Pippa Funnel, who rates him highly as an event sire, are more qualified to judge as to his worth? ALL of his foals so far have been refined versions of their dam's and therefore hence why Maesfen probably recommended him.

I do not see why Maesfen's simple recommendation of El Thuder has sparked your response? It is completely unneccessary. To bring my colt into it, who was not even mentioned is again unecessary. I never came onto this post recommending my colt as I did not feel as he is unproven I was qualified to say whether he would suit her or not....that will remain to be seen when his first foals hit the ground...out of graded mares. I have not gone into breeding from him unnecessarily but have bred him to mares myself and indeed he was chosen....through no pushing on my part, by Maesfen, to use on her own mare Witches Broom, a TB mare who was the highest graded SHBGB mare in the country in 2009......I think this says it all about some people's opinions of what he will add to the mix.

SJ and dressage sires have long been used to be bred to the right mares to create top class eventers...why are these sires different then from any other non TB stallion that has been used to breed an event horse.

I am sorry if you choose to view this as be jumping on you but I have simply stated facts. Both El Thuder and my own colt (who was never mentioned in this post until you yourself did) have all the qualities necessary in modern event sires - yes more TB would be superb - but crossed to the right mares both stallions could indeed produce top class event horses as well as show jumpers! Let time tell....as I am sure people criticized the use of Jumbo as an event sire when he first started!
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Just to add, here is the list of top 30 event sires of 2009:
1 HERALDIK XX 993
2 JUMBO 730
3 MASTER IMP 712
4 CRUISING 582
5 STAN THE MAN XX 575
6 CAVALIER ROYALE 539
7 YARLANDS SUMMER SONG 524
8 PRIMITIVE RISING 502
9 AMERIGO VESPUCCI XX 401
10 FLEETWATER OPPOSITION 380
11 VOLTAIRE 377
12 KILTEALY SPRING 374
13 RIVERMAN 329
14 SHERLOCK HOLMES 323
15 RUSTIC AMBER 314
16 PALLAS DIGION 305
17 BARABADEEN TALENT 296
18 QREDO DE PAULSTRA 292
19 KINGS ROAD 284
20 FINES 276
21 CHAMBERTIN 273
22 PEACOCK XX 258
23 INDOCTRO 256
24 BRILLIANT INVADER 241
25 MINERS LAMP 237
26 SEA CREST 236
27 MARK TWAIN 234
28 SIR SHOSTAKOVICH xx 234
29 HAND IN GLOVE 233
30 RICARDO Z 231

MANY of these are NOT TB or the TB in appears further back in pedigree....
 
Both Shirley and eventrider have missed the point entirely, and perhaps should try reading for comprehension my whole post again.

You make the error of confusing blood type with blood, or to be more precise, phenotype with genotype.

My original statement was that neither stallion carried anything like enough tb blood (genes) to be event stallions. Now for further clarification, I am talking about eventing at the performance end, ie anything with two or more stars attached to it, and preferably winning at these levels, rather than turning up to make up the numbers. At the performance end of the game, getting the two types the wrong way round will not advance eventing breeding, regardless of your own commercial interests.

Regarding the Billy Stud, perhaps you don't know enough about their strategy to comment; they breed for showjumping NOT for eventing, whatever doesn't make it in jumping goes to Pippa to event. Even the two vice Champions at the BYEH finals last year (both by Kannan incidentally, who neither myself nor the owner believe to be an event stallion), went back to William to become showjumpers. One alleged comment by Pippa Funnell does not confirm a stallions status as a true event stallion I'm afraid, that is rather clutching at straws.

Now eventrider, as an exercise for you, perhaps it would be a good idea for you to go through all the pedigrees of the stallions listed in the top 30 list. Then come back and tell us what percentage of tb they have. As a starter, for you there are at least three stallions on there who should have xx next their names. This exercise should be invaluable to you in recognising how much tb is present, and will allow you to graciously concede the point, whilst at the same time learning a little.

For those listed stallion who are not tb, or who seem to have little in their pedigree, look at the top 1000 eventing horses and see how many make up their sires points (hint, very few).

My suggestion for your stallion, is that you wait a little, have some respect for the market, and get your stallion graded by SHB(GB). If he is graded with SHB(GB), then the market can be confident that a group of experts with no commercial axes to grind, have given their stamp of approval. Tell us who you propose to grade him with next year?

You are trying to make a point about some other stallions:

Caretino's Glory - Not an event stallion in my opinion, for the same reason as El Thunder.

Cavalier Royale - again, take a look at his genetics, THEN consider that he was used primarily on tb mares and his best eventing offspring were actually failed show jumpers (see point about Billy Stud).

Jumbo - Not my type of horse, but I think you'll find he's ID x TB AND was the World Champion at Le Lion d'Angers before he started being seriously used (in a market where there was little else to choose from).

Kannan - I don't think he's an eventing stallion, and if you speak to his owner he'll tell you the same, although top event breeders insist on using him even though the owner tries to tell them not to. Having said that Kannan does have one offspring in the top 1000 eventers in the world and had two go through Le Lion.

"Both El Thuder and my own colt..............have all the qualities necessary in modern event sires" In who's opinion? I suggest you wait until he's graded by SHB before you make such claims.

"I am sure people criticized the use of Jumbo as an event sire when he first started" what makes you so sure? I would suggest that breeders jumped on him once he won Le Lion, thus he was proven IN THE SPORT, before anyone started using him seriously.

You make a point about "graded mares", why is that so important when you are marketing an ungraded stallion?

"he was chosen....through no pushing on my part, by Maesfen, to use on her own mare Witches Broom, a TB mare who was the highest graded SHBGB mare in the country in 2009......I think this says it all about some people's opinions " Surely Maesfen received a £500 voucher from SHB last year, which (if received) cannot be redeemed against your colt. There are a host of SBH graded stallions in that price range, who are proven in competition and breeding. But eventrider, how do you turn ONE person's opinion into "some people's opinions"???

Eventrider, I'm sure you're very proud of your recently aquired colt, but try walking before you run. Right now he has no record of any kind in anything of any real note, with not even tb blood in his background to give us a guide. Once you've graded him with SHB(GB), as I'm sure they will be your first choice for credibility, that'll be a good start, and be sure to present him at Osberton this year as well, a win there will give you a good start for next year.

Where did you buy him and why did the owner/breeder sell him?
 
a1b2c3 said:
Oh God, here we go again. Why must you all react to an idiot?!

Alec.
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Alec - I have said my piece and am done and set on user ignore....i just had to defend my boy as he is only young and starting out and whilst he wasn;t even mentioned as a suggestion for this mare, he got slated and so I was just defending him as the post was totally unnecessary and uncalled for.
 
"It is likely that El Thunder is being promoted as an eventing stallion, because he now has a son who whilst ungraded with any society, remains entire and is being marketed as an eventing stallion, even though in his family tree, the first tb blood to appear is again in the fourth generation."

Eventrider, please cut, paste and highlight the insults in this paragraph.
 
Jervis, you do illy89 who started this thread a great disservice by going so off topic. If you have an axe to grind, which it is clear by your comments you do, then please do the polite thing and take it elsewhere; you are being unfair to illy89.
 
What amazes me about those top event stallion rankings is that Sea Crest is still in there. Not only is he purebred Irish Draught (well 7/8 ID and 1/8 TB but graded RID) so all his representatives can, at most, be just over 50% TB but he was born several centuries ago!!! OK it was 1979 but that's still a long time ago for a stallion to still be rated as one of the top producers worldwide.
 
BTW I'm sure Jervis is an alter. Best to ignore the comments rather than react to them. If nothing else it will be better for your blood pressure. :)
 
Jervis - kindly, even if by pm tell me what your problem is with me. I NEVER mentioned my colt in this thread...YOU did. I have no obligation to answer any of your rude and aggressive questioning but the one thing I will say is he is not a 'new aquisition' but a horse I bred myself with an ex business partner and who I now own completely.

Also....what is wrong with me using him on my own mares? Especially if graded? If people choose to use him...that is their choice and without promoting him I have had tonnes of interest in my young stallion and turned mares away as he is too young in my opinion and I want only the best mares for him this year understandably as you cannot blame someone for giving a young stallion the best chance possible for success as surely if i were putting him to poor mares that again would cause discourse and room for arguement.

I see I will win no arguement with you though as you clearly have something -god knows what as I do not know you to my knowledge - and so shall just choose to ignore your attempts to take this post off topic. As said it was you who brought my colt into this thread not me...why....i don't know as I never intended to so you clearly have something against me. The proof will be in the pudding as they say.
 
Maesfen, you're right.

Jervis, I would think that when the agent who represents those horses which you seem to prefer, catches up with you, he wont be best pleased, and the owners even less so. He, I feel sure, will grasp the basic tenet, that you NEVER rubbish the opposition. In competitive business, it is generally considered to be suicidal.

Were I you, I'd get myself an address in Peru.

Alec.
 
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