Stallion suggestions please!

jervis said:
2 - Eventing will never get away from it's requirement for loads of tb blood, that is without question. El Thunder has one tb sire in his fourth generation, Ladykiller, that's it, nothing more. Not really what the modern event breeder is looking for.


You make the error of confusing blood type with blood, or to be more precise, phenotype with genotype.
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He doesn't give up, does he?

Incidentally this totally rules out Grafenstolz as an event stallion. Graf only has a wee drop of TB blood; one ancestor in the fourth generation... That's it; nothing more...
 
Have to say sorry to the OP; didn't mean to contribute to the hijack of this post. I like your mare; you could use any of these stallions, really, and produce a nice horse; plenty of good suggestions here (and ignore Jervis; he's having a bad day).

Is colour an issue? (Or maybe she's homozygous for colour anyway?).
 
jervis said:
Cavalier Royale - again, take a look at his genetics, THEN consider that he was used primarily on tb mares and his best eventing offspring were actually failed show jumpers (see point about Billy Stud
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I was just having a quick glance down through this post and read this. Was he used primarily on tb mares? It's news to me if he was! The above quote is far far far from the truth!
 
back to the OP... definitely look at Weston Justice.

he is a lovely, scopey, athletic horse and would certainly refine your gorgeous mare.
 
Stolensilver I agree, Seacrest has had a major influence on many event horses in the UK, if you add all the horses to the Cruising (his son) number it's considerable.
Our original stallion was by the same sire Knock Boy, and we now breed from four of his daughters as that line are out and out jumpers, the only problem we had was they could be a little sharp, hence using our Belgian X TB stallion to produce something more suitable for the average rider.
I think if people went back into some of the ID pedigrees they would be surprised just how much Tb is discreetly tucked away in them!
 
jamesmead said:
He doesn't give up, does he?

Incidentally this totally rules out Grafenstolz as an event stallion. Graf only has a wee drop of TB blood; one ancestor in the fourth generation... That's it; nothing more...
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Can you really say that? With the Trakehner being a closed stud book, the only blood is TB, Arab or AA. I would have thought they are the closest of all the WB to a TB.

The mare is a nice stamp, sure she will throw a lovely foal.
 
Bringing this back to original topic....ironically I actually agree with Jervis's comments regarding TB blood required at top level eventing, however, I must have missed the part when the OP wrote that she wanted to produce her next Badminton ride.... :)

You say the mare is ISH? I am presuming you mean ID x TB? My personal preference for breeding the cross breed mares is to stick with TB. With a TB you generally get what you want - the more mixed breeds (which warmbloods are) you put into the mix, the higher the likelhood of getting something you didn't want or expect. Particularly with some of these Irish mares, who although fabulous mares, are a melting pot in terms of breeding.

I hate to presume, but from looking at the OP's photos of her mare, I would suggest she wants something to event at lower levels, have a lot of fun on, not have to worry its going to go lame, or buck her off before the dressage? Which is what a lot of people want. Most horses, if properly put together and with a decent temperament will go Intermediate - which is the limit of most people's nerves too! So it all works out quite well :)

Mill Law is a good sire producing ones that have amateur temperaments, but also some very decent ones (a poster on here has one out there winning with a pro, and aplogies but her names escapes me at the moment).

Weston Justice is a stallion who has definately proven himself in the sport (hence proving his soundness). I don't know how much of the Criminal Law quirkiness he carries himself (not something I mind, one of my best mares is a Criminal Law), but crossed with a nice Irish mare like yours you'd not need to worry about that.

Groomsbridge May I is another TB who comes from a family of performers. He had a field accident at 2yrs old preventing himself from performing in sport, but his youngsters are now coming out. Having seen his youngsters personally, and having two colts myself, I think you will see a lot of exciting youngsters by him, they are all very correct and tough, and have wonderful temperaments.

Up With The Lark is also another - very close to pure TB (17th/18th), and very TB in type. He is again, very proven in sport, comes from a family of performers, and has an absolutely second to none temperament.

Another point to make, which so many people forget - all the stallions above are nice and fertile, and you will not be spending a fortune trying over and over again to get your mare in foal. That by the way, is not meant to suggest anything regarding any other stallions mentioned on this thread, its just something I feel is worth mentioning. We have so many threads on what stallions are suitable, and as well as being suitable for the mare, they need to get her in foal!!
 
magic104 said:
Can you really say that? With the Trakehner being a closed stud book, the only blood is TB, Arab or AA. I would have thought they are the closest of all the WB to a TB.

The mare is a nice stamp, sure she will throw a lovely foal.
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LOL Magic; no, Jervis was just making a spurious point and I was underlining it.

El Thuder actually has a lot of TB in his pedigree, but well assimilated and therefore invisible; the old argument; the contribution of the TB going unnoticed and all that. El Thuder is actually lightly inbred to Ladykiller, so not just one cross; he also has numerous other TB lines plus the usual arab and Trak influence further back in the pedigree, as I suspect Jervis knows very well. It isn't surprising that El Thuder does throw to a blood type and could be considered a possibilty for breeding eventers. Graf, too, has more TB further back in his pedigree.

However, the phenotype / genotype thing is a good point. Lightness as seen in modern warmbloods or even historically in the Trakehner, doesn't make them TB or mean that they will perform in the same way; presumably, if you are choosing warmblood, you won't want them to anyway. With El Thuder, for example, I suppose you would be looking for an enhanced jump and slightly more elevated paces for the dressage phase.

As for Traks specifically; TBH I feel that a Trakehner is a long, long way from a TB despite the TB influence; some modern warmblood types (a lot of Selle Francais for example) are a lot closer.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions!! :)

Seem to have inadvertently caused a bit of debate on here!!

I have got a lot of researching to do ready for next year, luckily i have plenty of time :D
 
someone ought to tell the Germans to stop using show jumpers to breed eventers then. \yes they add in some good doses of blood but they are also more than happy to use show jumpers into the mix

Back to the OP, Weston Justice I like a lot, proven performance, family, and a lot of TB blood. Not sure how much size he will add would be my only question mark, but the owner is lovely and will be very straight with you on what he has produced on similar mares to your own.
 
PalominoMare said:
What about Primitive Proposal?

http://www.louellastud.co.uk/primitive_proposal.php
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Primitive Proposal is lovely:D I am a first time "breeder" and have chosen him for my mare (in sig).

Incidentally I also saw Mill Law and Weston Justice in the flesh as potential husbands.

WJ was my 2nd choice but seemed "smaller" in the flesh than PP. PP is certainly a full-up 16.2.

I chose PP as I wanted to improve my mare's movement and he had the best paces out of all three IMHO. Plus I know people who've ridden and competed him with nothing but positive things to say.
 
One More Tiger! Right size, good temp., proven producer of correct stock and a good Daddy.

(ps. re certain above posts: the poster was reported to admin a while ago. They are obviously too busy policing stallion owner posts to have removed him from the forum. I am sure they will get round to it at some point.)
 
Another full TB is Spendent, he raced himself and he has some stock eventing along with some progeny winning P2P. I've met him several times and he's a lovely person too, with a nice owner!
 
I am having a similar issue I have an intermediate mare by Kiltealy Spring out of a Clover Hill mare, having looked at the offspring produced by the dam of my mare the most successful were by Kiltealy Spring and Crusing. Because of this I am thinking of using Crusing Mickey Finn and not a TB stallion as such
 
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