Stallion thoughts?

[ktj1891]

What does everyone think of this stallion https://attachment.fbsbx.com/messag...QAB61QhL7GtD91Z3T79qgow2pJN2UWOr9uC978NVgRjMQ

Not sure if link will work if not will upload later. He's registered WPBR

 

[crazycoloured]

nope link dosent work..

 

[ktj1891]

Scrap that here it is.
Lady has contacted me about my pony. She has a registerd WPBR Stallion thats been out on lease and has now come back. She has her own rented yard. She wants to put Chey to her stallion but also use her to teach him manners and run with mares as hes always covered in hand, shes aiming to get some more mares to run with him in a herd but is just looking at the moment for the right ones to come along. She will have chey on long term contract 18 months at least and possibly more if she wants to breed from her again. Shes also going to insure her.

Here is the stallion, whats your thoughts on him. Shes only 17 miles from me so I can go and check regularly. Do you think its a good opportunity?

 

[christine48]

Don't like his back end, looks like a horse in two halves, sorry.

 

[vicijp]

I didn't get as far as the back end.

 

[ktj1891]

What's wrong with him?

 

[vicijp]

Back at the knee, no shoulder, possibly odd feet/definetly poor angle.

 

[AmyMay]

Baaaa.

 

[ktj1891]

What's back at the knee?

 

[GinnieRedwings]

Back at the knee? Really?

I think you are being a little harsh. He hasn't got the best shoulder and a bit long in the back, also obviously very unfit. His back/rump would look better muscled up, but his hock is well descended, he has nice short cannon bones and the pastern angle is OK, and although he is pulling back from the handler, he looks like he has a nice head & neck.

Is he a Section B?

 

[CantertonManor]

How old is he? He has a shoulder that is very straight, so movement would be restricted. He is too long in the back for me. I would also be very reluctant to use any mare of mine to teach someone elses's stallion manners, insured or not.

 

[ktj1891]

Dont know yet. He is welsh part bred as WPBR registered. Not sure on age either. Owner has had him out on lease and he's always covered in hand. She wants him to live out with a herd of mares and cover in the field as she has her own rented yard.

 

[Maesfen]

He's not my cup of tea TBH although he does have some nice points from that pic which isn't the best of poses; however, the attitude of the owner does leave a bit to be desired IMV.
If she wants an older mare to teach him the ropes, that's fair enough but it's a bit rich to ask for YOUR mare to do so, like she's trying to do it on the cheap which worries me as to what else she's skimping on. It also doesn't bode well or come across very well saying she'll find some other mares to run as a herd with him almost as if she'll pick up any she can find instead of going out and buying decent mares which have the correct lines for her boy; it makes me wonder how experienced/knowledgeable she is to start with and if that's the case, do you really want to become involved and risk your mare in that sort of situation. I'm not against running a stallion with a herd per se but I would want to know that all the normal safety checks were in place with extremely good fencing and so on before I would even contemplate it let alone with a stallion that I'm not 100% sure about and I certainly wouldn't do it as a favour for someone.

I imagine although I agree, I could be completely wrong for which I'll apologize in advance, but I can see produce from this boy starting and ending life in somewhere like Beeston auction because they won't be marketable for any other than the meat man; sorry.

 

[ktj1891]

She said to me she is looking for the right mare to teach him how to run in field with them. I did say she is maiden and very Mareish and she said that was not a problem it will teach him to be more careful. She also said she doesn't have any other mares yet and she's biding her time until the right ones come along. She did say she wanted to put him to some quality mares. I have asked for pics of progeny and I will be viewing the place before any decisions are made

 

[HBM1]

she sounds like she is saying all the right things to you eg, yours is the right mare for her needs, etc, but to be honest, she has seen she can get a mare on loan for free. Having seen a colt get in with a field of mares and all the kicking that goes on, I wouldn't allow my mare anywhere near a stallion to "teach him the ropes". One kick and it ends in disaster and she loses nothing as the mare was free on loan anyway. Her response to you when you complained would be "well, you knew what you were sending her here for". I would steer a thousand miles clear if she was mine.

 

[ktj1891]

Sorry that was written wrong she didn't say my mare was the right one. She was saying she is looking for a mare to come and work with her and the stallion to teach him to be polite to his mares as he has only ever covered in hand

 

[Cherrygarden]

His front legs do look a bit wonky but picture isn't great, he doesn't look like he has been doing a right lot and I can't see what he is going to do for your mare to be honest. I liked her, she isn't perfect and there was all the lack of papers and everything else that must be considered but she looked solid and useful and sounds lovely. To put her to that stallion he would have to have some amazing talents (which he may have) or have produced some cracking stock.
More details on him would give you better answers to be honest and allow people to be fairer to him.
I am slightly worried that a stallion who has always covered in hand would be causing concern on the running out front though, yes he has to learn how to approach mares without humans directing but it hasn't been worded in a way that instils confidence.

 

[Cherrygarden]

I just read that you did find out some of your mares breeding so sorry was writing above from information on older posts.
I looked again and liked him a little more but would still need to know more and would want the breeder to have a clear idea of what she wanted because I can't see the cross at the moment. If you are happy with it though then it might be a good opportunity I suppose.

 

[Wagtail]

Back at the knee? Really?

I think you are being a little harsh. He hasn't got the best shoulder and a bit long in the back, also obviously very unfit. His back/rump would look better muscled up, but his hock is well descended, he has nice short cannon bones and the pastern angle is OK, and although he is pulling back from the handler, he looks like he has a nice head & neck.

Is he a Section B?

Agree with this. He has lovely short cannons and good length to the hocks. He is slightly long in the back so I would be careful putting him to long backed mares, but I think he's nice.

BTW he is not BACK at the knee. The way he's standing he looks slightly OVER at the knee, but not so much as it would worry me.

 

[Wagtail]

However, regardless of how nice or not the stallion is, there is no way I would lend a mare of mine to a stallion owner to 'run with him' when he has not run with mares before.

 

[vicijp]

BTW, IMO he is back at the knee. This is accounting for the fact he looks over at the knee because of the way he is stood and what he is stood on.

 

[tristar]

he is welsh part bred?, goose rump too short in the quarters, dipped in the back and shallow in the body for my taste, how old is he? but the rest is nice.

theres is no way i would turn any mare out with a stallion ever, unless i was 100 percent certain they were socialised and prepared before hand, and definately not with a mare who does'nt know what it is all about.

 

[wits end]

Just out of interest is this for your NF x Appy? Because there is no chance I'd be putting something with a fractured knee in such a stressful situation!

Anyway, no to the stallion. His conformation leave a lot to be desired, others that breed might understand what I mean when I say he just doesn't look 'right'. Whilst there is nothing drastically wrong, there are lots of niggling little things that put together make him a reasonable gelding but a useless stallion.

As for running with a herd of mares, in my (albeit limited in this area) experience it can lead to stallions getting a bit above their stations and being harder to handle. I also wouldn't want any mare of mine being the guinea pig for such a trial!

 

[Alliya]

Not the best photo to judge But i would say no to him


Any stallion i would like to see him standing on level ground he looks like his offside is on a bit of step and the photo is taken slightly down hill away from him. Photos taken front back and sides and video of movement front and back.

What is your mares good or bad points conformation if bad should you be breeding from her as i would not no mater how good the stallion was and that includes temperament both parents

What are his babies like? the type of mares he has covered and what are the studs requirements for visiting mares (swabs?)

My own mare is home-bred she was to keep 13 years on still with me and would never part with her she is a horse of a life time

just a few thoughts before anyone brings a new life in to the world

 

[s4sugar]

That stallion would make an ok gelding. Nothing about him screams stallion quality.

 

[whisp&willow]

to me he is not stallion material, and the whole situation sounds rather dodgey.

if it was me, i would walk away and never look back.

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