Stallions in Scotland?!

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Thank you everyone!
I am quite interested in the stallions Solaris Sports Horses have. Has anyone had any experience with them?

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IMHO the stallions dont stand out, two are graded SSH with middle of the road marks, one stallion failed its grading, and the fourth is not graded. I guess it depends on the quality you are looking for, or whether you are concerned with the kind of studbook your foals will be eligible for, and the paperwork you will get.

BTW is it just me or are there a lot of Opie trolls on the go just now, as every second post is someone trying to promote her stallions.
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Got to agree, dont like to knock anyones horses but I visited before we bought our 17hh goirgoine stallion, and was very disappointed with the quality of stock, see lots of positive comments about them, but didnt see anything I'd either use or buy, looking at the SSH it does seem very cliquey .
anyhow our stallion stands just outside Edinburgh, if you would like to visit him, get in touch and I'll give you the number where he is currently in training and you can go and see him if you like, hes bright mahogany bay with the most outstanding head.
 
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I am sorry that you feel you have had a bad experience with us at Lambridden. If you would like to PM me with your grievance, I will certainly do my best to correct any problems.

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it would be a huge shame if someone had not done that before airing it on a public forum
 
True,but i think that could be said for a few comments already aired on this thread,which i personally have found uncomfortable to read.
 
FGS Look at this thread. An opportunity to promote stallions & breeding in Scotland and look what happens.
I hate to say it but maybe some of KR prevoius comments about the attitude within British Breeding are true
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OP - go onto SSH site and there is a list of all stallions standing. Also check out the AES , SHBGB as they also list stallions at stud in Scotland.
Look in Scottish Equestrian and Stallions on line website. I think there is an area search facility. Now is the time stallion owners start advertising. Definitely visit the studs/AI centres if they are near to you, take a look round.

I am a member of SSH and most certainly in no clique & when I got back into breeding I experienced nothing but total encouragement/help from the Low Mitchells at Balcormo stud who by the way also stand Dramiro and frozen by Secundus.

Despite what this thread may read like there are a lot of lovely breeders and stallions available in Scotland
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I am a member of SSH and most certainly in no clique

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From what I have heard it depends on who you are as to the service you receive from those running the SSH! Firm, you obviously have no complaints, but it is a well known fact that it is cliquey, and it’s interesting to note just how many people know this.

I also believe that people who hold an authoritative stance within any Studbook should be following the "rules of engagement" (for want of a better line) themselves for that Studbook, and not a "Do as I say, not as I do" stance, which is obviously happening. They should also not hold any powers within a Studbook if using it for their own personal gain.

However Firm, I also agree that there are many a good stallion to be found in Scotland, from a wide range of Studbooks and disciplines.
 
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Are these people not voted in? If so why don’t those with issues stand for election?

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I presume you are correct, although do not know.

I know what you are implying, in that if people are not happy then they should do something about it, but I am guessing that if people cannot work with the "regime" already there that they would be fighting a lost cause, especially if they are in the minority.
 
LOL I am so far out of the clique I don't know it's a clique. Yep I am happy - always helpful especially in the passport dept
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It is also great having foal shows etc on the doorstep ( so to speak in Scottish terms
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I presume you are correct, although do not know.

I know what you are implying, in that if people are not happy then they should do something about it, but I am guessing that if people cannot work with the "regime" already there that they would be fighting a lost cause, especially if they are in the minority.


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I think a lot of us dislike aspects of the present Government. They too were voted in, They too, now in office, can do what they please and we can do very little about it.

I doubt that there is anything in the constitution to forbid a committee member standing a stallion that has failed a grading, and I dare say a lot of people would take firm's stance and be unconcerned; however, a committee member who does not realise the implications of this; or worse still, realises the implications and chooses to ignore them, is doing their society- whichever society- no favours at all as regards credibility, quite apart from the issues of what the horse or his descendants might produce. Yet there isn't really a mechanism that I can see for preventing it; apart from voting with your feet and registering elsewhere (which some influential horses seem to have done; unless this is an error, the stallion list appears to have a few names missing this year).

For the SSH this is a huge pity; it was at one time one of the most rigorous and forward thinking societies with regard to issues like grading; it used continental evaluators to avoid vested interest; I think it beat the KWPN (and Zangersheide?) to the demand for x-rays for graded stallions; at the same time it left a doorway for correct but maybe not obviously top class stallions be graded in at a lower level and to show if they could cut it through progeny and performance. If it was a little cliquey in those days it was because the original vision and determination to see it through was vested in a small and far-sighted group of breeders.

TBH I was really disappointed in Opie's reply (assuming that Opie is the owner of Solaris stud?). Instead of the "troll" invective, an explanation or clarification would have been nice.
In its absence, I think that Magic will maybe see what anyone trying to regularise proceedings will be up against.
 
Do you think the thought behind the invention of the SSH studbook was a good thing.I'm a little confused,maybe not so hard right enough.
I always got the impretion that the stallion grading was quite strict,especially for the higher end horses,and also since the introduction of the x-rays.
I thought they still used continental evaluators for the stallion gradings etc.
 
Sorry ruby1; I have been a bit unclear, there. Yes, the gradings are still strict, but if this can be circumvented by either lowering the pass mark or simply ignoring the "fail", then there is little point.
 
So let me get this right one of the grips is a committee member stands a failed horse? Why did it fail? Are the offspring poor quality as well? Have other stallions not failed their gradings only to prove the evaluators wrong? I am not saying this is the case here, but it has happened. Just because someone has faith in their stallion does not mean they dont believe in what the SSH is about. Surely the fact that a member was unable to influence the outcome is proof that the grading system is working? I am sure I have heard comments in the past, so & so only got that because they know so & so. Fact of life its not what you know but who you know. There were a lot of posters admiring the offspring from this stud a couple of years ago. I assume that has all changed now. I dont know the full ins & outs, heard a few rumours, but I have always hated the way politics tarnish the forward thinking of people, so I prefer to stay out of it.

If you want change then unite & vote for it. What a cop out to say "I think a lot of us dislike aspects of the present Government. They too were voted in, They too, now in office, can do what they please and we can do very little about it." They were voted in because they promoted themselves better then the other parties. Because most people dont vote for the party as such, but the leader of the party. If people really want change, they have proved they can do it, the most well known was the turn around the Poll Tax. It was strength in numbers that won that victory.
 
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So let me get this right one of the grips is a committee member stands a failed horse? Why did it fail? Are the offspring poor quality as well? Have other stallions not failed their gradings only to prove the evaluators wrong? I am not saying this is the case here, but it has happened. Just because someone has faith in their stallion does not mean they dont believe in what the SSH is about. Surely the fact that a member was unable to influence the outcome is proof that the grading system is working? I am sure I have heard comments in the past, so & so only got that because they know so & so. Fact of life its not what you know but who you know. There were a lot of posters admiring the offspring from this stud a couple of years ago. I assume that has all changed now. I dont know the full ins & outs, heard a few rumours, but I have always hated the way politics tarnish the forward thinking of people, so I prefer to stay out of it.

If you want change then unite & vote for it. What a cop out to say "I think a lot of us dislike aspects of the present Government. They too were voted in, They too, now in office, can do what they please and we can do very little about it." They were voted in because they promoted themselves better then the other parties. Because most people dont vote for the party as such, but the leader of the party. If people really want change, they have proved they can do it, the most well known was the turn around the Poll Tax. It was strength in numbers that won that victory.

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Surely the fact that a member was unable to influence the outcome is proof that the grading system is working?

Totally agree. I think this can only go round in circles and as you suggest Magic, maybe these opinions can be directed directly to the SSH instead of what reads to be a witch hunt. If you want something done, do something about it
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Maybe i just don't get it because I can't see the problem here, I am a committee member myself (not of the SSH i'll add
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) and most of our time is spent trying not to upset the waters and would hate to think that people were unhappy and not informing us. We may be free to discuss what we want, to an extent, on forums but if people feel so strongly, take it to those who can actually help. They shouldn't surely have to take the bait on here?
 
Completely agree with above posts,if a member cannot influence the pass marks then who can. Surely a stallion that failed a grading on a confirmation marks of 65% to become a listed stallion cannot possibly pass now it has been increased to 70%.
I think this debate could go on forever and perhaps it is our choice as mare owners ( well mine at least ) to choose to pick and choose what stallions we like as we feel fit.
It does seem a bit strange to me though that a stallion that did fail the grading has 5 out of 6 first premium foals this year,the proof is in the pudding as they say.
 
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