Stallions standing in France

MontyandZoom

MontyandZoom

Well-Known Member
Joined
20 June 2007
Messages
2,479
Visit site
I have posted about putting my mare in foal before however, I am now going to vet school and Zoom is moving to France with my parents. It has always been an idea of mine to breed from her but now she will not have a job, the dream is close to being a reality.

I had looked at some stallions before and thought they were good, however presumably UK-based stallions will now be out of the window??

Does anyone have any suggestions of stallions standing in Northern France?? She will be right by the national stud in Saint Lo......have looked at the stallions but my French is ****.

Here is Zulmita, 14.3 Argentinian-bred tb, she was used for high-goal polo but was bred for flat racing.

35793_10150200376455174_606780173_1.jpg


chertsey4.jpg


I would like to breed a nice RC allrounder from her hopefully a bit bigger! She has a lovely temperament but is quite fizzy so would be looking for a chilled out stallion (if there is such a thing!)
 
You could try some of the Dutch warm blood stallions as she is now on the continent and the sperm would be delivered within 12/24 hours.
Hengsthouderij (Stallion station) Van Uytert have a wide range of stallions, jumping and dressage and they speak very good English. Give them a ring, google hengsthouderij or van uytert), they may also know of other places you could try.
 
You have to be very careful about what stallions you use in France. As unless they are french registered you will not ba able to get a breeding certificate. And the foal will not be worth much over here as it would not be able to compete at a good level.

Do you intend to sell the foal or keep it? I think you would be definatly better off getting a french registered stallion.

There are some very nice ones, if you go onto the Haras Nationaux site, you will find an area that is called 'etalons'. Ok I have got you the catalogues for the french stallions:
http://www.haras-nationaux.fr/portail/particuliers/etalons/catalogues-etalons-2010.html

If you need any help understanding anything, PM me. I'm fluent in French!
 
You don't have to use french registered stallions to get a breed certificate. The breed passport should come from whichever society the stallion you use is registered with, you send the covering certificate when the foal is born, then you send your passport to the haras nationaux to get a sire number and then your horse is registered to compete in France.
Try Haras de Brullemail for jumping stallions, they have Jaguar Mail, and try Haras de Feuillard for dressage stallions, lots of top dutch and german ones.
 
welshone said:
You don't have to use french registered stallions to get a breed certificate. The breed passport should come from whichever society the stallion you use is registered with, you send the covering certificate when the foal is born, then you send your passport to the haras nationaux to get a sire number and then your horse is registered to compete in France.
Try Haras de Brullemail for jumping stallions, they have Jaguar Mail, and try Haras de Feuillard for dressage stallions, lots of top dutch and german ones.
Click to expand...

Not quite true and currently with the legal department of EU Commission. France insists you obtain a passport from Haras Nationaux. If you obtain one from your breed society in another member state then the foal will be registered ONC in France and banned from competition in France.

A year ago a number of British breed societies (including mine, Cleveland Bay Horse Society) were offered daughter stud books in France. CBHS have decided to wait for a legal decision even though they know this could take YEARS.

I own 1% of the world population of CB's and one of only 21 CB fillies born in the world last year. I am closing my stud!!!

Having said all that France does recognise my CBHS approved stallion who is registered as a Cheval de Sport. So anyone in France could use him, his progeny woud be registered correctly in FRance - although not in UK - and therefore lost to the mother stud book forever.

How to help make a 'critical' rare breed 'extinct'.
 
There used to be a chap on here KenRehil?? who was a agent in France, he is very up on the French Stallions - because of his job, might be worth seeing if he's still about? Don't know if he's changed his username?
 
I competed 2 horses in France last year, one with a danish passport and one with a swedish passport. Both are registered with the haras nationaux AND have their breeding recognised. The passports just have a piece of paper clipped into them by the haras nationaux with their identification/markings in french.
If it were the case that you couldn't compete non french horses in France then how come when you see the start lists at competitions there are numerous dutch, hanoverian, oldenburg etc. entered??
Ken Rehill is a good contact for french jumping stallions, not sure if he is on here any more........!
 
Thanks for all the replies :)

I will be breeding a foal to keep and bring back to England with Zoom when I finish vet school to be broken and hopefully be my new RC star!! :D

I will have a look at all the links and may have to take you up on offers of French translation, I can't even order a coffee in French :D
 
iconique said:
There used to be a chap on here KenRehil?? who was a agent in France, he is very up on the French Stallions - because of his job, might be worth seeing if he's still about? Don't know if he's changed his username?
Click to expand...

I consider this likely! It has happened a lot. Personally I would talk directly to the studs that have been mentioned as they are very helpful and you will find that Bernard le Courtois at Brullemail for example is a great expert and does speak English.
 
welshone said:
I competed 2 horses in France last year, one with a danish passport and one with a swedish passport. Both are registered with the haras nationaux AND have their breeding recognised. The passports just have a piece of paper clipped into them by the haras nationaux with their identification/markings in french.
If it were the case that you couldn't compete non french horses in France then how come when you see the start lists at competitions there are numerous dutch, hanoverian, oldenburg etc. entered??
Ken Rehill is a good contact for french jumping stallions, not sure if he is on here any more........!
Click to expand...

CORRECT. When you import a horse from another EU member state, or a stallion already 'approved' by the mother stud book, they will be recognised by HN. It will cost you a vet call out to redo the original paperwork and a registration fee with HN of 120 Euros.

If your foal is born in France and you obtain a passport from another member state/mother stud book the passport will have the suffix of FR. Before you compete in France you will need a French Stud book (Sire) number, so you will need to submit your passport with its FR suffix. Your foal will be registered ONC - non-pedigree and unable to compete in France.

It is FOUR years since I alerted H&H (who printed my letter), breed societies and DEFRA to the problems in France. I was accused of being 'confused'. I assure you I am not. There is a solution, but what do I know?
 
Rollin, I have read of your battles, and sympathise greatly with your problem. We all need to kick the EU into sorting this problem as some of our fantastic breeds are clearly at great risk.
 
If you use a stallion that is approved by a studbook that is a member of the world breeding federation for sport horses (WBFSH) then you should have no problem having breeding recognised and be able to compete in France.
Rollin, why on earth would so many people continue to use dutch/german stallions to breed dressage horses here if they then could not compete them?? I have a yearling born here last year with a BWBS passport and have had no problem getting her registered with the haras nationaux. Maybe you have had trouble as I don't believe that cleveland bays are a member of wbfsh??
 
I repeat if your foal is born in France you MUST obtain your passport from Haras Nationaux OR your foal will be registered as ONC in France.

Many breed societies have Daughter stud books in France, in this case HN work with the mother stud book. The passport is FRENCH but the foal is still correctly registered with mother stud book - as is the case of the Shagya Arab, which I also breed. The Cleveland Bay Horse Society have declined a daughter stud book. The Director of HN offered to go to Yorkshire and discuss this with the society - they declined this offer also.

I am therefore closing my CB breeding in France. Between 2007-2009 there were only 68 CB mares breeding WORLDWIDE. I have three so it is bad news, for a breed on the critical list, that I won't breed any more pure bred CLEVELAND BAYS.

In 2009 only 21 fillies and 29 colts were born in the world - that includes America, SA and Australia.

DEFRA and HN disagree on the interpretation of EU Law and this is currently with the legal dept of the Commission. It could take years to resolve.
 
welshone said:
If you use a stallion that is approved by a studbook that is a member of the world breeding federation for sport horses (WBFSH) then you should have no problem having breeding recognised and be able to compete in France.
Rollin, why on earth would so many people continue to use dutch/german stallions to breed dressage horses here if they then could not compete them?? I have a yearling born here last year with a BWBS passport and have had no problem getting her registered with the haras nationaux. Maybe you have had trouble as I don't believe that cleveland bays are a member of wbfsh??
Click to expand...

Sorry I did not answer your question in full. When I moved to France in 2005 Cleveland Bays (along with ID, Dales, Clydesdales) were not recognised as 'pedigree' animals and could not compete in France.

Finally after four years of lobbying Hilary Benn, BEF, MEPs and numerous breed societies
the Cleveland Bay was recognised in France as a pedigree (Britains oldest breed).

Thanks to MY EFFORTS CB's can now compete in France as SJ, eventers and dressage horses. Sadly there probably won't be any more CB's in France as a result of decisions made my CBHS.....whose charitable status is based on maintaining a stud book and preserving the breed.
 
I had no idea about all these rules, I am intrigued and am googling! I am not too worried since the idea is that the horse will come back to England to be broken and used as my riding club horse.

For anyone interested, we are hopefully going to look at the stallion Norway de la Lande.
 
MontyandZoom said:
I had no idea about all these rules, I am intrigued and am googling! I am not too worried since the idea is that the horse will come back to England to be broken and used as my riding club horse.

For anyone interested, we are hopefully going to look at the stallion Norway de la Lande.
Click to expand...

You should have no problem with that. Britain accepts the pedigrees of lots of breeds it is only France which has historically refused to accept certain breeds. It took 11 years to get the Freisan recognised in France.
 
PS Don't forget you can use stallions at the National Stud. There are several. We are close to Lion D'Angers. They have a nice Selle Francais, I plan to use for my CB mare. Actually more top class English TB than anything else.
 
I'm french and can tell you that since 2007, every horse born in France with known parents can have OC passport, hence compete. But the administration paper should be done on time and carefully as above:

http://www.haras-nationaux.fr/porta...rches-sire/quels-papiers-pour-mon-cheval.html

The only problem will be for the breed not recognised in France by the HN. The horse will be able to compete (if the registration has been done correctly) but will not have a studbook in France as for Rollin and her Cleveland bay born in France which should have only OC passport hence can compete. If one of her foal is bought by someone in the UK to breed, it will be only possible if the Cleveland Bay Horse Society accept the French passport horse and over-stamped it as Cleveland Bay Horse. Things that the CBHS seems not want to do, if I've understood correctly.

hope it's clear.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top