KellyJoArnold
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Step away from the Clwyd page!
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lula
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On the plus side if the police ans social services are reading the page then hopefully they will get Clwyd into a council flat which will take care of the squatting problem and then it may be easier for the landowner to get rid of the fly grazing horses.
You have to wonder though how come Jen has so much experience of social services, the RSPCA and the police? She's mentioned a couple of times how the RSPCA pick on the innocent and she knows this first hand.
first hand? i wonder if anyone dare ask her what that means without her completely losing the plot?
funny thing is, jen posted how she saw a comment from another poster on the fb page started here 'support group for those with mental anguish..' about her (apparently nasty/spiteful etc) i commented twice on that thread with a joke about her needing a straightjacket and POOF! the comments vanished!
admin didnt delete them, some one- mostly likely jen herself went spying, reported them to facebook and somehow -although it beats me how- got my posts removed.
as they were not abusive /threatening/offensive im in awe how she managed this. Not best pleased she did either.
freedom of speech seems to be a thing of the past
trina1982
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have you googled the number? You might find her adverts for horses she has advertised...
beth21
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This for me, pretty much sums up the complete ignorance of the supporters.
Phil Mayren
Support for Clwyd Davies and his horses
Nicola Mayren
Phil Mayren
Forgive me if I've missed something but seriously?
Morons.
Phil Mayren
Support for Clwyd Davies and his horses
Nicola Mayren
Phil Mayren
Forgive me if I've missed something but seriously?
Morons.
FionaM12
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If they are comments on a thread she started herself (IE commenting on her own post) she probably can delete them herself. You usually can.
lula
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perhaps their lawn mover broke down and they decided to get something that would save them money on petrol and fertilise the garden at the same time and would live happily in the shed.
FionaM12
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Why exactly do they think social services is going to be remotely interested in what people post on that page? Any interest they show in this case is surely over his welfare and living situation only
True. And if he chooses to live in those conditions and doesn't want their help, they will walk away.
Moomin1
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EgerdenFarmStud
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I have now had a delightful threatening message from Michelle... Not quite the guardian angel she's made out to be then... Off now to google the number!
lula
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nope.
it wasnt started by her fiona. she didnt even post on it at all. Remember, this was on our 'Support group for those caused mental anguish by Clywd' page. .
it was started by a poster commenting what a cadbury's fruit and nut this woman Jen was being on the 'Support Clwyd' page.
i commented on it, my comments disappeared. Admin were as confused as me.
EgerdenFarmStud
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Nope, absolutely nothing on the mobile number ( but when typing number + Michelle crowther I did find an ad for a murder mystery entertainer ) 
Moomin1
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Nope, absolutely nothing on the mobile number ( but when typing number + Michelle crowther I did find an ad for a murder mystery entertainer )
Good grief this whole debacle is getting very deep!
I have just twigged who the person who is mentioned in the old newspaper article that used to help him is too! I won't even begin to go into it, but dodgy just about sums it up!
lula
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heh, just found out it was definitely jen.
She's just written on the Support Page that ive been reported to the police as have most of us on the 'Support for those suffering mental anguish by the Clywd supporters' group for our 'disgusting and evil comments' on there.
jesus wept.
Good luck with that luv.
id love to be the one on duty when you roll up at the local nick with a reem of print outs from facebook and demand they arrest us and throw away the key forthwith.
lula
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EgerdenFarmStud
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Me :
Hi Michelle,
I've been trying to reach you through Debbie, but unfortunately she has been most un-helpful.
Yesterday on the support group she runs, she posted that no comments were to be deleted from then on and that nobody would be banned... I raised a couple of questions, one of which she answered straight away, then the other she answered this morning... Her responses were quite polite publicly, and she agreed that they were fair questions to have asked. Then late last night she decides to ban me, and deleted all of my comments... I have asked politely ( numerous times ) via pm for her to give me a reason as to why she has banned me and deleted posts after promising not to do so, and for her to allow me to post again should I wish, only to be ignored by her... I didn't once come across as rude or aggressive and I certainly never asked any questions that you ( or Debbie ) as a group wanting to gain charity status should not have willingly answered.
In my opinion, Debbie is taking it upon herself to pick and chose her followers and has turned the whole thing in to some what of a joke... She is also making people make assumptions and expect that you are all hiding an awful lot in the way that she is still deleting and banning.
As I'm sure you're aware, there is now a poll on her support page, but the problem is that only her followers that haven't been banned are allowed to vote - a little unfair don't you think?
As I have made clear before, and you may or may not be aware, I did feel incredibly sorry for Clwyd when I first saw the programme, and would most certainly of donated quite a decent amount of money for his cause, but after browsing the support page and seeing admin tell out right lies I have unfortunately changed my mind as there is clearly a lot more to this story than is being publicised...
There is a lot that doesn't ring true about it all.
For example.
* Those awful photos of the mare with the broken / deformed leg and the carcasses in the field - if they really were NOTHING to do with this whole case or Clwyd at all, no solicitor would not allow you to comment, you would have straight away stated that no they were most definitely not his.
* The programme showed Clywd getting a little upset that he was seeing none of the money, it showed that over 20 of his horses had been sold, I understand the money had to fund the worming / delousing / trimming of his remaining horses. He funded their hard feed before the show so you would assume that he was in a position to do so still. Where did the other monies from the sales of horses go? Did Clywd receive any cash in his pocket at all? Did you receive any cash in your pocket? I know the horses were on livery with you, but I'm sure it said that you did charge £35 per week per box, but the show also stated that Clwyd was working for their keep on the yard. Debbie tried to say that the horses were re-homed this morning in her announcement, but actually I'm sure the show stated that they had been sold.
Also, from your thousands of ' likes ' on the support page one would assume that a lot of people have donated money, only now it has come to light that if you want your money to go to Clwyd's horses you have to specifically state that. So the people quickly looking on the ' support for Clwyd and HIS horses. ' and donating without actually stating that their money go to him have in effect been given false information ( or really information that was not previously easily available ). Why not name the group for donations something that includes Clwyd's horses AND others in need?
Anyway, all in all it is my opinion that you are not really getting a fair trial if you like, as Debbie is being very contradictory and down right rude at times.
I would hope that you would consider my views and maybe be able to see that your ' good ' cause is actually looking more and more likely to just be a number of the public donating their money to fund a dealers business ( as well as Clwyds horses of course ) .
I would really appreciate your acknowledgement of my message, I would also be very grateful if you could perhaps tell Debbie that she should stick to her word rather than promise to do ( or not to do ) things then do the complete opposite proving her to be a liar.
How can people find out the truth about certain things if they're banned from commenting?
I look forward to your response.
Kind regards,
Charlotte.
No reply so ... Me again :
I appreciate that you're very busy Michelle, but Facebook tells me that you took the time to read my message at 8.02pm last night ... I would have thought a charitable, volunteering, upstanding member of the horse community could have taken just 30 seconds of your life to acknowledge my message.
The way that this whole situation is being dealt with is so totally unprofessional and I'm thinking more and more now that its a con!! I'm also thinking, as do many others, that you're profiting from an old mans misfortune, as well as god knows how many others...
I hope that in April when Clwyd has his horses rehomed and the truth really does come out, that all the people that have donated to such a shady and hidden cause will take action against you for hiding so many things and trying to make people believe that he is a man that really does care for his animals and conned money out of them. Clwyd is an old man, he's caused a lot of pain and suffering quite clearly, but I very much doubt that he could have come up with this plan alone. You however, are a business woman an have somehow managed to brain wash people into parting with their hard earned cash and belongings. ( although not even £200 from all of these followers - you must be thinking its hardly worth it )
I really did think that you would have been a little more fair about letting people have their views. With your latest statements it's just proving to a lot of people that you are actually as bad as he is in one way or another!
This time I clearly won't hold my breath for a response...
Michelle:
Phone me on ***********
Me:
I would rather have any response you would like to make in writing if its all the same to you...
Michelle:
So you can pore over it and make me out to be a terrible person? There are answers to all your questions on the pages I am associated with. Don't message me again.
Me:
So why want me to call you? There are not answers to my specific questions on the pages... They're skirting around what I actually asked. I get that everybody wants to make money... Of course I do, my other half breeds and produces horses and I understand how difficult it is at the moment. But IF you did make any sort of profit from the selling of Clwyds horses previously to the show being aired ( and please note I don't entirely disagree with it if you did - you worked for it ) surely some sort of statement should have been made - either way.
I really do think that you are actually doing a good thing in helping Clwyd ( and others ) I just believe that this whole fiasco has gotten way out of hand purely because of the way that the admin on the page are being very cagey about a lot of things and seem to hide ever such a lot of information / anything that is not totally ' Clwyd is a hero ' related...
At the end of the day, as long as all of the horses are being cared for that's all that matters. I just wish that people could ask questions freely and have them answered honestly by all involved.
I also very much hope that Clwyd gets the personal help he deserves and manages to come out the other side of this without having a very serious breakdown / worse...
Michelle:
Message me again and I report to Police for harrassment.
That's it!
Not really very scary but still, not very professional!
Hi Michelle,
I've been trying to reach you through Debbie, but unfortunately she has been most un-helpful.
Yesterday on the support group she runs, she posted that no comments were to be deleted from then on and that nobody would be banned... I raised a couple of questions, one of which she answered straight away, then the other she answered this morning... Her responses were quite polite publicly, and she agreed that they were fair questions to have asked. Then late last night she decides to ban me, and deleted all of my comments... I have asked politely ( numerous times ) via pm for her to give me a reason as to why she has banned me and deleted posts after promising not to do so, and for her to allow me to post again should I wish, only to be ignored by her... I didn't once come across as rude or aggressive and I certainly never asked any questions that you ( or Debbie ) as a group wanting to gain charity status should not have willingly answered.
In my opinion, Debbie is taking it upon herself to pick and chose her followers and has turned the whole thing in to some what of a joke... She is also making people make assumptions and expect that you are all hiding an awful lot in the way that she is still deleting and banning.
As I'm sure you're aware, there is now a poll on her support page, but the problem is that only her followers that haven't been banned are allowed to vote - a little unfair don't you think?
As I have made clear before, and you may or may not be aware, I did feel incredibly sorry for Clwyd when I first saw the programme, and would most certainly of donated quite a decent amount of money for his cause, but after browsing the support page and seeing admin tell out right lies I have unfortunately changed my mind as there is clearly a lot more to this story than is being publicised...
There is a lot that doesn't ring true about it all.
For example.
* Those awful photos of the mare with the broken / deformed leg and the carcasses in the field - if they really were NOTHING to do with this whole case or Clwyd at all, no solicitor would not allow you to comment, you would have straight away stated that no they were most definitely not his.
* The programme showed Clywd getting a little upset that he was seeing none of the money, it showed that over 20 of his horses had been sold, I understand the money had to fund the worming / delousing / trimming of his remaining horses. He funded their hard feed before the show so you would assume that he was in a position to do so still. Where did the other monies from the sales of horses go? Did Clywd receive any cash in his pocket at all? Did you receive any cash in your pocket? I know the horses were on livery with you, but I'm sure it said that you did charge £35 per week per box, but the show also stated that Clwyd was working for their keep on the yard. Debbie tried to say that the horses were re-homed this morning in her announcement, but actually I'm sure the show stated that they had been sold.
Also, from your thousands of ' likes ' on the support page one would assume that a lot of people have donated money, only now it has come to light that if you want your money to go to Clwyd's horses you have to specifically state that. So the people quickly looking on the ' support for Clwyd and HIS horses. ' and donating without actually stating that their money go to him have in effect been given false information ( or really information that was not previously easily available ). Why not name the group for donations something that includes Clwyd's horses AND others in need?
Anyway, all in all it is my opinion that you are not really getting a fair trial if you like, as Debbie is being very contradictory and down right rude at times.
I would hope that you would consider my views and maybe be able to see that your ' good ' cause is actually looking more and more likely to just be a number of the public donating their money to fund a dealers business ( as well as Clwyds horses of course ) .
I would really appreciate your acknowledgement of my message, I would also be very grateful if you could perhaps tell Debbie that she should stick to her word rather than promise to do ( or not to do ) things then do the complete opposite proving her to be a liar.
How can people find out the truth about certain things if they're banned from commenting?
I look forward to your response.
Kind regards,
Charlotte.
No reply so ... Me again :
I appreciate that you're very busy Michelle, but Facebook tells me that you took the time to read my message at 8.02pm last night ... I would have thought a charitable, volunteering, upstanding member of the horse community could have taken just 30 seconds of your life to acknowledge my message.
The way that this whole situation is being dealt with is so totally unprofessional and I'm thinking more and more now that its a con!! I'm also thinking, as do many others, that you're profiting from an old mans misfortune, as well as god knows how many others...
I hope that in April when Clwyd has his horses rehomed and the truth really does come out, that all the people that have donated to such a shady and hidden cause will take action against you for hiding so many things and trying to make people believe that he is a man that really does care for his animals and conned money out of them. Clwyd is an old man, he's caused a lot of pain and suffering quite clearly, but I very much doubt that he could have come up with this plan alone. You however, are a business woman an have somehow managed to brain wash people into parting with their hard earned cash and belongings. ( although not even £200 from all of these followers - you must be thinking its hardly worth it )
I really did think that you would have been a little more fair about letting people have their views. With your latest statements it's just proving to a lot of people that you are actually as bad as he is in one way or another!
This time I clearly won't hold my breath for a response...
Michelle:
Phone me on ***********
Me:
I would rather have any response you would like to make in writing if its all the same to you...
Michelle:
So you can pore over it and make me out to be a terrible person? There are answers to all your questions on the pages I am associated with. Don't message me again.
Me:
So why want me to call you? There are not answers to my specific questions on the pages... They're skirting around what I actually asked. I get that everybody wants to make money... Of course I do, my other half breeds and produces horses and I understand how difficult it is at the moment. But IF you did make any sort of profit from the selling of Clwyds horses previously to the show being aired ( and please note I don't entirely disagree with it if you did - you worked for it ) surely some sort of statement should have been made - either way.
I really do think that you are actually doing a good thing in helping Clwyd ( and others ) I just believe that this whole fiasco has gotten way out of hand purely because of the way that the admin on the page are being very cagey about a lot of things and seem to hide ever such a lot of information / anything that is not totally ' Clwyd is a hero ' related...
At the end of the day, as long as all of the horses are being cared for that's all that matters. I just wish that people could ask questions freely and have them answered honestly by all involved.
I also very much hope that Clwyd gets the personal help he deserves and manages to come out the other side of this without having a very serious breakdown / worse...
Michelle:
Message me again and I report to Police for harrassment.
That's it!
Not really very scary but still, not very professional!
piebaldsparkle
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sherry90
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I wish I sometimes had the ability to put my hands over my ears in some situations and say *la la la* but what they fail to realise is that it is doing NO GOOD to anybody them just brushing over our questions or making threats such as the police or social services. Those donating, Clwyd, them and most importantly the horses are not benefiting from this in the long run. Surely before the show aired they would be aware that not everyone would be taken in by the show? They should, as a reputable business/support group for people like Clwyd have the answers to these questions before?
smokey
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No more than you would have expected though! Layers of lies and deception going on methinks!
Moomin1
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Reading that response, it's actually getting ridiculous now.
No reputable 'charity' or 'rescue' would respond in that way whatsoever. They would at least be polite and as helpful as they can be.
It's the sort of answer that a dodgy dealer gives when you try to approach them about a duff horse that's nearly killed you after buying it!
No reputable 'charity' or 'rescue' would respond in that way whatsoever. They would at least be polite and as helpful as they can be.
It's the sort of answer that a dodgy dealer gives when you try to approach them about a duff horse that's nearly killed you after buying it!
Ibblebibble
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hehehe she really is a piece of work, but thanks to her we now have a nice new page that she can't spy on, bet that caused her to double her meds!
piebaldsparkle
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Guessing she didn't like the pic
.................Can a horse be arrested?What gang?
Moomin1
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Guessing she didn't like the pic
What gang?
God I bet the police get sick of her!
She is probably one of those that is constantly on the phone about every Tom, Dick or Harry who dares disagree with her. Would hate to live next door to that!
Elsiecat
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I overhead people giggling about this Jen at the feed store this morning. Obviously I couldnt resist joining in on the fun.
She is single-handily making the whole thing a joke.
She is becoming a laughing stock!
She is single-handily making the whole thing a joke.
She is becoming a laughing stock!
piebaldsparkle
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and delusional
Hands up who has been warned by FB?..........................
How scary we have a SPI
Hands up who has been warned by FB?..........................
How scary we have a SPI
Ibblebibble
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pmsl is she off her rocker, I'll wait in trepidation for the knock on my door from the FB police, mind you where i live they'll soon get side tracked and go next door
Elsiecat
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and delusional
Hands up who has been warned by FB?..........................
How scary we have a SPI
I've just responded to that! And what the chuft is all these full stops about!!!
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Wahooooooooooo
cappucino
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and delusional
Hands up who has been warned by FB?..........................
How scary we have a SPI
*I will NOT look this up on Urban dictionary..I will not...ooops*
We have a 'Sexy Pacific Islander' in the camp, how cool is that?
Hands up who is it?
piebaldsparkle
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Apparently Julie White is the Spy (spi).
beth21
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Ah I see, makes perfect sense. Wish I'd thought of that now.
As for Jen, she reminds me of something...
Oh yeah, the broken records shoved in my attic because no one wants to listen to them anymore.
Ibblebibble
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Apparently Julie White is the Spy (spi).
lol i will be a spi, i can do the hula