Step away from the Clwyd page!

Well they are back tracking like mad, one minute they are saying Michelle has visited and wormed the next she hasnt been there in weeks. Cant believe the mentality of supporters who still seem to think good old boy Clwyd is doing a good job.
 
amymay said:
Its reported that the RSPCA are happy.

There we are then. Game over.
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Not yet Amymay. That's only the story given by the supporters.

Don't you go giving up (says she who feels like doing just that right now) we need you. And don't forget there are other people working away in other areas in the background.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
 
Are they doing anything?

I was actually really unimpressed with them this week - came very close to letting them know I wouldn't be getting membership again before they pulled their finger out.
 
Thank you for the warm welcome patterdale! :-) I really can't believe that some people are so narrow minded that they can't open there eyes! I for one have no problem in changing my mind/opinion if I've been given new information but them lot are just like the rats in the pipe piper of hamlet!
Who on earth would transport and dump a rotten carcase (if or if not there is one there), and how come these new horses have been dumped, to me it's just a repeat of the documentry in the summer! Oh I bet they had a lump in their throats when the had to admit some of the photo were accurate and intact they haven't a clue what's going on in his place.....
 
amymay said:
Its reported that the RSPCA are happy.

There we are then. Game over.
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I'm sure there's nothing to panic about here.

I would think that he is being closely monitored with regard the live horses there at the moment, until the sentencing takes place.

With regard bones and skulls, unfortunately, I don't think there is much can be done about them in order to warrant removal of live horses - as there is no scientific way of really establishing whether those dead horses (skulls etc) 'suffered unnecessarily'. If it were a carcass of reasonable condition still, may have been different I suppose.
 
It's all getting quite depressing now. I'm sure there's a lot more going on in the background, but the blind faith that his cult like followers have is very demoralising.

We all need to keep pushing. Remember Carrot and Spud, people, we got there in the end (no thanks to the rspca!), and all the good work done for the Spindles Farm ponies, etc.

We can do it! Lets get those ponies/dogs out of there!




And then move on to the next lot :(
 
Moomin1 said:
If it were a carcass of reasonable condition still, may have been different I suppose.
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There was a carcass.

I must admit to being totally and utterly dismayed that the RSPCA have taken no further action at this time - and feel they are letting the horses down very, very badly.

Horse numbers have gone up (not down), no provision for mares due to foal. Extremely poor stock on the land. No evidence of basic care being implemented.

Unfortunately it's going to take the death of one or two more of the horses for the RSPCA to remove them.

Disgusting.



Remember Carrot and Spud, people, we got there in the end (no thanks to the rspca!),
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I do. And this is what worries me the most.
 
amymay said:
There was a carcass.

I must admit to being totally and utterly dismayed that the RSPCA have taken no further action at this time - and feel they are letting the horses down very, very badly.

Horse numbers have gone up (not down), no provision for mares due to foal. Extremely poor stock on the land. No evidence of basic care being implemented.

Unfortunately it's going to take the death of one or two more of the horses for the RSPCA to remove them.

Disgusting.





I do. And this is what worries me the most.
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Where is the picture of a carcass?

All I have seen are bones in the photos.

You cannot prove any suffering from a pile of ancient bones.

Just because he has gathered more horses, does not mean that the RSPCA have grounds to remove them at this time. Sentencing is awaiting. The courts are the ones who have to decide whether the fact he has gained more horses, despite being ordered by the court to reduce, will warrant a removal of all of the remaining horses. As it stands, the court have given him UNTIL April, to reduce numbers. Therefore, not much can be done at this time I suspect.
 
Being a farm, I thought it was illegal to leave, burn, bury dead horses..... But according to the animal health website, the third option is fine, do we reckon I can class my bold brood mare as a pet????

Q11: What controls are there on the burial of horses?
A: Under the previous ABP legislation, the burial of horses was only permitted if they had been kept as pets.
In England & Wales it is now permitted for all horses to be buried, whether they are pets or not. In Scotland and Wales only pet horses may be buried. Before burying a horse, advice should be sought on the correct procedure e.g. on deciding the location of the burial site to take account of factors such as livestock access and the potential for leaching into watercourses.
In order to protect the environment, by minimising the numbers of horses to be buried, Defra and WAG recommend that the owners of dead equidae should first of all consider disposal of the carcase via the traditional route for disposal of Animal By-Products (see question 5).
Further advice is available from the Environment Agency website.
 
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