Stilmans Cancelled

Yes but you have booked into an event that you know (touch wood!) doesnt cancel.

I just think if you book into somewhere like Stilemans desperate for a run b4 an upgrade etc then you should be elsewhere prepared.
 
I feel Holly is acting a bit like a dog with a bone atm
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no one is right or wrong, but I totally understand where you are coming from and also the other guys.
Hey Im a grassroutes rider, and I feel my young horse is just as important than any horse aiming for a Int or CIC**.
Equally at this time of year its inevitable that the early events could be cancelled due to weather. With this i mind, perhaps those requiring to ride at a higher level but need a run at a level lower first off should have this put in the plan.
In that, you could have entered Stilemans IN it gets cancelled but if you have already entered it at Tweseldown teh following week it means you get to run there. Equally if both run you could either ask to upgrade (how many Int do they ballot anyway) or withdraw.

Agree with MdeM I wouldnt mind quite so much riding at the lower PN/N level if i didnt get my run at PN and had to go straight to Novice you can do most of your prep at a xc schooling round.
 
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Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.

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Sorry Boss! Totally disagree.

I think you are saying that those who are competing at higher levels i.e. mostly professional riders should be given priority.

BE is catering for everyone by puting all riders in the same sections.

If it is going to run with professionals being more important - it should be 2 tiered all the way through.

The sport is for everyone, not just the "professionals"

If i've got the worng end of the stick, throw some mud my way
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Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.

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Sorry Boss! Totally disagree.

I think you are saying that those who are competing at higher levels i.e. mostly professional riders should be given priority.

BE is catering for everyone by puting all riders in the same sections.

If it is going to run with professionals being more important - it should be 2 tiered all the way through.

The sport is for everyone, not just the "professionals"

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Indeed, Boss its also easier for you to say this when you have more than 1 horse to event.
However, there are many of us that dont have this luxury, I also cant always take time off during the week to compete my horse, a weekend event is better for me. However, we are all up against balloting and weather this time of year, we dont need professional getting runs over grassroute riders added to our problem as well.
 
Surely at the end of the day is the issue it is either safe to run or not? This applies to all levels PN may be smaller but combinitions are often less experienced the more advanced horse may cope with conditions better but still have the added difficulty.

Safety has got to be key if an event like this went ahead and there was a serious accident then BE or the event could be liable.

With regard to what classes have priority each day should be judged on the suitability of the conditions. I.e. if the first day is still too waterlogged yet dries out for subsequent days then these should run irrespective of what class it is.
 
True but not everyone at that level is a pro- the pros can get away with it, riders like me just cant.
I know where you guys are coming from, I agree to dis-agree
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True but not everyone at that level is a pro- the pros can get away with it, riders like me just cant.
I know where you guys are coming from, I agree to dis-agree
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Yeah me too
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So whose the horse youre seeing Boss?
 
Ooooh this is a good debate. I reckon priority should be given to higher grade horses. This isn't because they're more important than the lower levels. It's just because there are fewer competitions especially CCI and CIC so missing out on a run can ruin chances of qualification. It's all to do with logistics.

Anyway, I should think Stilemans has cancelled because of the lorry parking. I live down the road from there and it's been honking it down with rain for weeks. I don't think they cancel events lightly. It must be so disappointing for them after all the organisation that's gone into it.
 
In a way I am glad that they cancelled as I live fairly local and have seen the amount of rain, I was planing to walk the course sat with the possibility of withdrawing before sunday if I was unhappy with the conditions, this way I don't have to make the judgment wether my horse will run on the going or being tempted into running if I turned up. I feel for the organisers and now have a month to wait for my next run.
SJ on a surface it is then
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I am most definately on Boss's side here. And as for schooling round intermediate fences - forget it. I would say at least 90% of all event riders don't ride as positively when schooling as when competing, and with that in mind you'd be hard pushed to get me over some Novice fences when schooling, even when I was on my advanced horses. Far better to be in a competition situation.

You also have to remember the spiralling costs as you go up the levels - have a look at how much it costs to enter and run in an Intermediate/Advanced. If you have a horse aiming for a CCI** this spring, that still needs it's CIC** qualification you would probably want to go out once at ON/IN, then an Intermediate or two ideally, then your CIC**. However, the schedule being what it is, closing dates, balloting etc all contribute towards every run being absolutely crucial with a horse at this stage. Whereas a horse who is going to run at lower levels than this I would argue has far more opportunities to catch up on a missed run.

Ramble over, hope it wasn't too incoherant!
 
I'm another who agrees with Boss and Tigers Eye on this one. Having horses at PN and Advanced and agree with everything Tigers Eye stated.
 
I was hoping to do the pre-novice on saturday, but to be honest i probably would have just done the dressage and show jumping and left the xc as my boy doesnt like heavy going (plus we were in the last section of the day so course would be very churned up).....i know he should go in all conditions, but he is so honest and tries hard that i dont want to push him if he finds it really hard, especially as this would have been only our 3rd PN ever after our debut season last year.

I can see where Boss is coming from in terms of there being less events to chose from at the higher levels, but at the end of the day everyone has their own challenges and ambitions....
Perhaps some people would never have the right horse or skills to ride any higher than PN, but work all hours in a boring job to fund their passion and try to fit in riding around working in the city / commuting etc etc...up at 5.30am to do the horse, then hold down 8/9 hours in a job then back to stables to ride. For them, to have a "low level" event cancelled could be equally, if not more upsetting.
 
This is very interesting reading!! Hadnt really thought about in any other way than - "oh well, never mind - Stileman's is often cancelled anyway so onwards and upwards to the next event"
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- what a very naive and innocent view i have!!
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Now i look at it and understand and agree with both sides of the arguement - i think that the run is equally important to both amateurs at PN level to amateurs/pros looking at progressing their horses to intermediate and beyond before the bulk of the season begins.

As a "kid" still at school and in my GCSE year - every run at PN level is as precious to me as a run at IN level would be to an amateur looking to upgrade. I dont think we can judge how important an event is to other competitors as everyone's situation is different - i think that the horse world is so changeable anyway - if you and the horse are fit the event is bound to be cancelled, if the event is running your horse will most def. go lame and if horse is raring to go and the event is running you are bound to fall off and break something. I think at the end of the day we just have to stamp out foot a bit, have a moan and move on
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Nothing is ever set in stone and as someone said earlier - if you enter Stileman's there is always a high risk it could be cancelled - tough! (that's the way i look at it anyway - hope i got the right end of the stick
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...Think it will be SJing for me this weekend!
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I think every event each person enters is just as important to everyone!

But I agree to disagree!!!

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(was that aimed at me??)
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I think every event each person enters is just as important to everyone!

But I agree to disagree!!!

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(was that aimed at me??)
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I dont think so....maybe it was aimed at me??? But i was trying to say just that anyway!! Sometimes i can get a bit waffly though and drone on a bit...
 
No! Aimed at the people that think an intermediate horse should run over a PN/intro horse.

Which simply is not fair!
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Hattikins, i think that is the most true and mature thing written so far! Basically everyone considers their run to be important, the exception prob being pro's horses at grass roots level. Maybe the run maybe not as crucial, but equally as important to the person doing it.
 
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No! Aimed at the people that think an intermediate horse should run over a PN/intro horse.

Which simply is not fair!

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BE obviously disagree - the Rule Book states that 'Organisers are to give priority to higher classes over lower classes, e.g. Intermediates over Novices, etc.' and that 'Intro and Pre-Novice entries, sections or even the whole class must be rejected before any Intermediate or higher classes, with cross country on the same day, are balloted.'
 
Very true, plus (dont quote me on this one) but I think it also says advanced entries aren't subjected to a ballot.
 
I think BE and higher level riders should realise (if they dont already) that its the grass roots riders at intro and PN that pretty much fund their 3day events and the running of the higher level competitions, the majority of riders are at grass roots level - and at the end of the day they shouldnt really bite the hand that feeds them
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Although I totally agree with Hattikins sentiments I suppose the preferential treatment is partly because graded horses have much higher memb fees so should get a better service.
 
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